FLYJACK

Air America Boeing 727 "kicker"

No, not related The redactions are probably just comms with other parties.. including military,, lots of cross chatter.. Ammerman claimed both UHF and VHF were operating simultaneously and he had to turn one off and on.. Robert99 thinks the redactions are evidence of a big conspiracy.. it isn't. but a radio was delivered to the plane and Cooper knew about it,, why? who knows..

Here are the maps and charts... well before Cooper's MEX demand maps and charts, A and B charts, take whole set of cfarxxx craft maps with you ???

Robert99 writes this.... Flyjack is full of baloney. The source he quotes is second or third hand information at best. Or to put it another way, heresy. Why would Cooper need a "radio for cockpit communication" since he had been having Tina use the interphone to communicate with the cockpit? in reference to this post I made.. from FBI files.. "The flight stairs were positioned at the front door of the aircraft and TINA left the airplane and approached the car occupied by LEE, where she picked up the money, parachutes, food, maps and radio for cockpit communication." this is also in the FBI files.. "By this time, only the money and parachutes had been brought on board. TINA then asked the hijacker if she should go out and get the maps, food and radio, to which he replied in the affirmative. She then went out and brought back the above items. It is noted that all of the crew was still on board at that time." Robert99 doesn't realize that it comes from the FBI files, it isn't hearsay, I didn't make it up and I also wondered why the crew needed a radio.. (after communications were established with Al Lee) it proves both Robert99 and Georger are wrong, neither will admit it but both attack me for posting a fact right from the FBI files. This is complete insanity,, I post facts from the FBI files and get attacked by ignorant people.. and then there is Georger's passive aggressive retreat... "FJ has spent more time digging thru files than almost anyone else and I applaud it when he finds things and shares his work - but I often don;t agree with his "interpretations" and his "extrapolations" ... which more often than not favor his suspect. He claims his approach is logical ... vs others who are "making stuff up". I get a kick out of that because FJ is as guilty of making stuff up as anyone, and perhaps more so. But he will back down, or simply retreat from a stand, or say it was only a theory, when confronted by facts! He has been forced to that position many times .... so nothing has changed since he surfaced in 2010. I do applaud his work and look forward to reading his posts, and I bring some of his posts here because they are worth sharing with others in order to get comment. We are far better off with him than without him in spite of his arrogance ... " I didn't start in 2010, it was around 2013 and I took many years off when my father unexpectedly died.. not because of Weber as G had claimed. Georger has never confronted my posts with facts, he lies, he lies because his case knowledge is poor and stale.. maybe he is just lazy.. but he is incapable of formulating a logical and coherent argument. His strategy to remain relevant is use innuendo to discredit others. He has done it to almost everyone related to the case.. "FLYJACK former enemy of Joe Weber and Snowmman, asserts:" Georger just posted this, another lie... this is what he does consistently. He is incapable of intellectually honest discourse. Neither of these two ever admit they are wrong which is often. Robert99 has poor case knowledge so makes up his own facts but Georger is unique, in addition to stale case knowledge he has no problem lying about the case or others. both TOXIC and detrimental to the case overall. I have never seen a rational and coherent argument from these guys challenging any of my posts.. they are more interested in being right and winning an argument than pursuing the truth..

Yes, Robert99 and Georger got it completely wrong, as usual. They are stuck in 2010. The maps were requested and brought on before Cooper made his MEX destination demand,, I have a vague recall about it.. not 100% sure but I think it was something to the effect that they were guessing where he might go including Alaska.. Boeing also sent the crew instructions for "how to get out of there",, was that related to crew escape or maps?? I think I have well over 100,000 pages of Cooper relating info now and it is getting tough to keep track of everything..

The FBI file.. Cooper demanded MEX Crew suggested San Francisco Cooper suggested Phoenix Crew suggested Yuma or Reno Cooper chose Reno It shows that there was no predetermined plan for Cooper to get the plane to land in Reno.

Surprise,, not really, Georger and Robert99, the senior AMATEUR Cooper sleuths get their facts wrong again.. make up stuff, roll over and pat each other on the belly high on each others toxic arrogance. Cooper demanded Mexico AFTER Al Lee was next to the plane AFTER the money was delivered AFTER the passengers left and AFTER the parachutes were onboard. Ignore these two, they have nothing to offer except misinformation and ignorance. "The flight stairs were positioned at the front door of the aircraft and TINA left the airplane and approached the car occupied by LEE, where she picked up the money, parachutes, food, maps and radio for cockpit communication."

Cooper’s initial demand was Mexico City, non stop in US for any reason. It wasn’t nonstop to Mexico City, the plane could refuel in Mexico. His initial demand was also airstairs lowered inflight. NOT airstairs down on takeoff, that came up later. The problem everyone is noodling is why make a demand the plane's range couldn’t achieve flying dirty that would be rejected. The logical answer is either Cooper believed the demand was achievable or he was engaged in some sort of misdirection. Everyone has accepted the theory that he knew it was unachievable and was somehow instigating some negotiation. I disagree, this makes no sense and there is no evidence for it.. IMO, Cooper thought the plane could reach Mexico.. when he made his initial demand. So, if Cooper was knowledgable about the 727 aircraft and had flying experience how did he make such an obvious error. He got the range way off if the 727 was flying in that configuration. Everybody has made the assumption that Cooper made a demand he knew was unachievable and would be rejected. That assumption may be wrong. Here is a theory nobody has brought up.. All of Cooper’s demands regarding Mexico and the plane configuration were passed to the crew orally through Tina. What if Tina didn’t convey the instructions to the pilots exactly as Cooper intended. What if he initially wanted the dirty configuration applied when the airstairs were lowered inflight by the stew, not the entire flightpath. We only have Tina’s interpretation of Cooper’s demand to go by. It is extremely unlikely Cooper made the initial demand of "no stops in US for any reason" knowing it was unachievable. It makes no sense for Cooper to make a demand that he knew would be rejected. IMO, Cooper’s initial plan was to jump outside the US.. airstairs lowered inflight by Tina. She conveyed his instructions slightly inaccurately to the pilots and they went back to Cooper to negotiate a stop in Reno. When Reno was agreed to Cooper changed his plan to jump before the plane landed in Reno. That is when the airstairs down on takeoff came up. Cooper’s LZ wasn’t his initial plan, it was ad hoc. Other factors,, Cooper wasn’t dressed for a PNW jump and Cooper's money demand was referred to as “US” currency by Tina and “American” currency by pilots… that suggests a foreign element. Why define the currency as US/American.. AND Cooper was described as swarthy, latin, Mexican in features and appearance..

Cooper believed and accepted that the chutes were coming from McChord. He expected military chutes. So when did he reject them or did he?

FBI part 46 p 191 (18991) Himmelsbach.. "He specifically asked for parachutes from nearby McChord Air Force Base, showing some familiarity with the area.”

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There are other non skydiving threads here.. this thread has few posters but many viewers, you know who your are,,, FBI bots and Georger? maybe 30-60 views per hour. But, there is a Cooper paradox at play, since the case is both collaborative and competitive that means research becomes real IP and disclosing all becomes counter-productive. There are many things I haven't or won't disclose publicly. However, a skydiver's take on Cossey would be interesting and it wouldn't be material to the case. The Cooper environment is so toxic and unproductive that there is actually no upside to disclose information.. if I had to start over, I wouldn't post anything.

This is extremely important and IMO overlooked by everyone. Even the FBI got this wrong.. they asked a Penny's manager and he claimed the Cooper tie was a few years old.. they FBI took his opinion. The Cooper tie was manufactured between spring of 1964 thru end of 1964... depending on inventory turnover it was likely sold mid 1964 to mid 1965. The Cooper tie was around 6 years old not 1 - 2 as the FBI claimed. Hahneman's work history and environment matches the tie's timeframe and particle environment. I posted this info on Shutters toxic forum and emailed people this around Jan 2017,, Eric Ulis later claimed it was his research and when I pointed it out he began calling me a liar and a troll to discredit me.. for a year now. Eric is a liar and a fraud. I posted this on Shutter's site to contribute to the case knowledge not for credit but now I see that was a mistake. Since Eric is fraudulently trying to take credit for it,,, I'll post details for everyone here. Since I don't have full access to Shutter's site.. I'll post the email from Feb 2 2017... The BOLD is updates. The Cooper tie was actually around 6 years old, manufactured around 1965 +/-. This means it was purchased 1964-1966 and used for a longer period than thought. The logo on the primary Towncraft tie label used the funky “P". That style label was used from 1964+. This is not new news. What is new is the timeframe for the unique secondary label. The “SNAPPER” label with a single patent. Both unique labels only existed 1964-1965. The secondary label “Snapper” had a single patent on it, 2972750 filed in 1959. (Note, the Cooper tie was misaligned and missing the last 0). That "Snapper” label changed in late 1965/66 to add two entirely different later patents. So, the Cooper tie with both those labels was manufactured in a very narrow window around 1965 and very hard to find examples of. For about 35 Towncraft tie samples that I found online all have the later dual patent numbers due to a much longer manufacture window 1966+. I also found that the Patent label on the Cooper tie is trimmed or misaligned cutting off the last number in the patent and the exclamation mark at the end of “ITS A SNAP TO SNAP ON!". Since the left side looks offset as well, it appears to be a manufacturing flaw with the entire label offset. I finally found a full label identical to the Cooper tie. Turns out the patent was filed 1959 and issued 1961.. All the other ties with the same TOWNCRAFT label had two completely different patents filed 1965. Also, these ties are mass produced as "Snapper" by France Neckwear CO. NY, they produced "Snapper" ties all over the world and just added store branding labels, including Sears.. So, the Cooper TOWNCRAFT label is 1964+ and the unique patent number is 1959-1965 (late).. This is the patent number on the Cooper tie, 2972750 but missing the last 0 as the label is either trimmed, altered or misaligned in the manufacturing process. Cooper tie patent.. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2972750.pdf The later TOWNCRAFT ties have late 1965 patent#s 3220015 and 3222684 http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3220015.pdf http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3222684.pdf Dating the primary label for 1964+, the “P” was redesigned by New York design firm Peter Schladermundt Associates in 1963. I later found that the new funky "P" logo was first introduced and the rollout began on Nov 24, 1963. I think this graphic was done by Sluggo and was posted here on DZ. Old images are gone now. I found another indicator on the tie that dates it to after spring 1964,,, NOT 1963.. but I'll hold back that info. top left - sample matching Cooper tie with single patent number to 1965 bottom left - sample 1966+ Towncraft snapper with dual patents 1966+ top right - you can see the “snapper” label underneath is offset, can see the IT on bottom line and the 5 patent digit, missing last 0.. Actual Cooper tie with cut off right edge. missing last 0 and ! 1966+ Towncraft tie with the two later patent numbers.

Found a bill that matches a Cooper serial number.. L00000004B unfortunately it is a "1" Dollar bill not a twenty, I did not realize the same numbers were repeated on different denominations..

I found a voice recording from the 60's. I am about 90% certain it is Hahneman but still trying to get 100% confirmation. It brings up a point nobody has considered... Did the FBI play voice recordings of any major suspects to the witnesses? There is no indication from the files that they ever considered it. I don't know if witnesses could recognize Cooper's voice now, after almost 50 years.. For example, I can hear a unique speech pattern/cadence/accent for Sheridan Peterson... each suspect would have their own voice characteristics. All we got was low, intelligent and no discernible accent.

Yeah, the evidence suggests the money arrived within a few years of the find.. Probably went into the river in spring and washed up on TBAR soon after...

That is unknown.. only Cooper and Tina know. but she was also alone with Cooper after the other stews left. Tosaw's theory was that Cooper put the money Tina gave back into his coat pocket landed in the Columbia and that was the money that washed up on TBAR.

Good point, I meant to be more general and say "midwest".. rather than Pa.. Asking for some money and taking it by hand is possession whether it is returned or not. Flo claimed Tina was hiding something... Tina was the only one acting sheepish. You are relying on your assumption of Tina's motives and behaviours to discount, you know none of those. So, what evidence is there to support Tina's claim,, all I read are lots of baseless assumptions..

That is just false, innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard in court. If you adhered to this in an investigation then NO THEORY could ever be investigated, it is a self defeating paradigm. You are making the mistake everyone does, you assume a theory must proven as fact to pursue it. << this is irrational. This is a theory, it is not fact. I have already covered the circumstantial evidence that supports this theory.. Tina asked for and took possession of the ransom money. Tina's excuse for its return and the timeline doesn't make sense. Tina is the only known person to possess any ransom money other than Cooper. Cooper offered the other stews ransom money much later as they left. It appears Tina has something resembling the size/shape of packets in her coat pocket. Tina resided a few miles upstream of TBAR within a few years of the money discovery. The only Cooper money ever found. The TBAR money find is consistent with somebody tossing it in the Columbia River a few miles upstream and within a few years prior to its discovery. Money washing up on a place called Tena Bar is just a coincidence. The money was not planted or ever meant to be found. The money was found far from Cooper's LZ with no obvious means of natural transport. Tina's body language was very sheepish, head low and avoidance,, right after the hijacking. Tina had emotional/mental issues around the time and after the money was discovered. Tina hid out for years in isolation in what some describe as "witness protection".. There is ZERO evidence to confirm Tina's claim that she handed back the money. During the hijacking Tina developed a good relationship with Cooper. Both were from Pa (midwest). (I don't believe they knew each other before the hijacking) Finally, the Cooper case was a big failure for the FBI, they relied extensively on Tina, if she was compromised that may explain it. If Tina did keep the money she took from Cooper and discarded later, the entire case makes sense..

You have it backwards,, there is no evidence to support Tina's claim that she returned the money to Cooper.

What I believe it completely irrelevant... You can see that there is a bulge in Tina's coat pocket, we don't know what is in there.. it is something. Remember, Tina asked for some ransom money and TOOK it into her possession. She claimed she then returned it citing a company policy not to accept gratuities, yet she took it. That is the only money we know of that was separated from the ransom money. It is the only ransom money we now of that was in the possession of somebody other than Cooper. Tina resided a few miles upstream of TBAR within a few years of the money discovery. TBAR money is the only Cooper money to be found. The only "evidence" that Tina returned the money to Cooper is her claim, there is nothing else to confirm it.. Only Cooper and Tina know the truth. Back then Tina's story was just accepted. Today, that would never happen. It is completely irresponsible to NOT consider this as a theory for the TBAR money. Anybody that says they don't accept this are rejecting a theory based on speculation... there is zero evidence to reject it. The right answer is obvious, you don't fully reject or fully accept it. It is a theory. Too many Cooper sleuths operate in a binary mode, accept or reject based on conjecture.. they ignore the 3rd option. NEITHER. The case never advances without vetting theories, something went wrong with this investigation early that undermined the case. The most important witness used by the FBI was Tina, IF she was compromised the investigation was doomed.

I figured it out,, It is the Cooper Vortex, it drives people insane.. they abandon all reason and humanity. Shutter just said that making intentionally false claims is not lying.. huh, what.. Once the Vortex gets you,, there is no return. If you can get out now, run. It is world of crazy.. and it is coming for you. Scientology has nothing on the power of the Vortex...

UNSURELOCK,, Contrary to Shutter's BS assertion, I am not the spammer.. Now Shutter is just making up stuff.. They could have pointed out the relevant facts below but chose to lie instead. One of the stews thought Cooper was wearing prescription sunglasses. Of course Hahneman wore prescription glasses and used dark PLASTIC RIMMED sunglasses for his hijacking..

Let's count Georger's lies, he is incapable of reason so he always resorts to lies.. per Georger.. The FLYJACK Tina/Cooper Money Theory:* Tina and Cooper were lovers. Met when Cooper was a janitor in Tina's high school back in Pennsylvania. LIE* Tina responsible for the money plant at Tina Bar. LIE* Tina was given money by Cooper on the plane TRUE - evidence is bulging pocket in Tina's coat pocket seen in post high jacking photo at Reno. MAYBE, there is other evidence* Tina knows the fate of DB Cooper due to her personal relationship with him. LIE* Tina was co-conspirator with Dan Cooper in the Cooper skyjacking. LIE* Tina confided to Rataczak and FBI she and Dan Cooper had a prior relationship. LIE* FBI knows Tina was co-conspirator in the DB Cooper hijacking. LIEThere will be more Tina Mucklow - Frederick Wm Hahneman (DB Cooper) revelations. Presented by the famous crime solver expert: FLYJACK aka BULLJAX. LIE Lies, lies, lies... why does Shutter put up with your crap... you are toxic to his forum and the case in general. Seven lies out of eight claims... over a decade into the Cooper case and you've got nothing, accomplished nada.. but stale case knowledge (you can't even get the facts straight) and lies to protect your fragile ego..

No Georger, pay attention,,, maybe, you might solve something. You got the timeline completely screwed up before when I laid it out earlier. The evidence indicates the other stews were OFFERED ransom money (packets) much later as they left.. not that they took it.. Cooper was alone with Tina for some time.. when she took the money and claimed to return it and after the other stews left the plane. BTW,, Tina claimed she handed back the money claiming it was against company policy,, then later Cooper offered the other stews ransom money and all of them a measly tip, if Tina told Cooper no gratuities then why did he offer it again.