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Point is if Cooper had limited parachute experience you assume he knew about those bailout rigs... he could have had experience with different rigs.

Sure, there is a difference,, open harder, land harder higher likelihood of injury and no reserve back up chute... Given a choice who would choose a bailout rig...

Doubt it... big difference jumping with a main vs bailout. Your analogy isn't a good one.. a bailout rig doesn't have a reserve/trailer.. and a Chevy/Ford pickup are interchangeable.. a main and reserve are not. Asking for backs and fronts indicates a back main and front chest reserve. D ring complaint indicates he still thought they were main/reserves.. This issue has never really been explored before in this case. But either. Cooper didn't realize they were bailout rigs and jumped anyway.. indicates some/little parachute experience. or Cooper realized he got bailout rigs and jumped anyway.. he didn't reject them and ask for mains.. intentionally jumping with a bailout rig in those conditions tells us something about Cooper. But, how many jumpers would intentionally jump with a bailout rig in those conditions rather than refuse them and ask for a main..

or he didn't realize they were bailout rigs,, he didn't ask for or expect bailout rigs.

Disagree,, you claim "most likely knows"... If Cooper had only some/little military experience he wouldn't necessarily know they were bailout rigs based solely on the missing D rings.. I found that some military bailout harnesses had D rings.. in WW2 an aircrew would wear a harness and attach a bailout rig in emergencies.. some used a front and some a back.. Further, evidence indicates he had some parachute experience,, and it indicates he was not a sport jumper but had military experience. Which begs the question.. If Cooper knew it was a bailout rig would he jump with it or request a main.. These jumpers keep saying it was an easy jump, but would they do it in a bailout rig?? On balance, I don't think he knew he was jumping with a bailout rig.. If he did know that says something about him.

The 727 100 system is technically different from the 200.. but effectively the same regarding the light....

The lever only need to be moved from the detent,,, it is a safety thing.. The green light comes on when the stairs are fully down..

Using "US" or "American" currency doesn't make Cooper Canadian. it only suggests he was previously outside the US. It isn't a citizenship clue, it is a location clue. Could be as simple as a Vietnam vet. Did Ryan claim the stair light came on when the stairs open?? That is not true,, the stair light comes on when the lever is moved from the up/lock detent not when the stairs move. It is a safety feature.. Do not take off/fly with the light on as the airstairs are not locked up. They go out when the lever is placed into the up/lock position.

There are two things here that continue to get conflated... The American/US currency.. from Crew and later Tina. and negotiable/circulated currency. American/US suggests Cooper spent time outside the US.. but negotiable and circulated are not the same thing.. and have nothing to with being outside the US.. Circulated means used bills... negotiable makes no sense in this context, it is most likely a young Tina conflating the terms. In some of those newspaper articles "negotiable" is used in a different context.. So, yes US/American suggests Cooper spent time outside the US.. could be WW2 or Vietnam.. and negotiable means nothing.

He could have jumped in the Willamette Valley too,, very flat... arguably better,, if you know the area. South is not a path... you have to get this out of your head. It is the single most absurd claim you have made. Pilots saw the glow,, that doesn't mean Cooper did,, perhaps from the bottom of the stairs but that doesn't mean he did or he used it or knew where he was. It was a typical NW fall evening,, showers and broken clouds, we don't know what Cooper could see when he went to the bottom of the stairs... He has no expectation of knowing where he was or what he could see,, and why plan to jump in that weather... south is so much better.

He did not go back to PDX,, He agreed to south which is 50% of a direction, SOUTH IS NOT A PATH His jump might have nothing to do with any lights. He couldn't see them, if he even did, until he went down the stairs. If he did see the lights you don't know that he knew that they were BG..

No, it has no impact whatsoever.. you are creating a straw-man.. very dishonest Your explanation requires you to make up unbelievable stuff with zero evidence to support it. Tell you what, you stick to your theory... they are a dime a a dozen in this case. but if anybody has actual evidence to dispute my theory, let me know.

No that isn't accurate,,, My theory that he flew into Portland is pure speculation,, and has nothing to do with Cooper jumping early... The problem is you are using unfounded assumptions to reject my theory,, not facts. Show me some facts.. My theory fits well within the evidence and rationalizes some inconstancies yours is mostly assumptions. Bad ones. Cooper knew about aviation refuelling second hand,,, C'mon..

You claimed he jumped when he wanted to... aka, he lowered the stairs when he wanted to jump and targeted a spot. This is not my claim. He opened the stairs to secure his only exit. He then waited for the right time. You claimed he targeted a spot. He changed his demand to airstairs open on takeoff. The pilots suggested it. So, he wanted airstairs open on takeoff after Reno was in play that indicates he was jumping sooner than later.. He put on the parachute and money right away. Five minutes after take off Tina sees him still without the money tied to him in a jumpable way. Cooper was not ready to jump immediately after take off. I take that as an indication he didn’t plan to jump immediately after take off. Less than 5 minutes and yes it does suggest he wanted to jump ASAP and not 25 minutes later. He tried to open the airstairs right away. He failed to get the stairs open as he expected and was delayed in getting them open. Ok. Delayed. But only in opening. Not in jumping. If I had only one way out of a cave, I’m damn sure making sure I open that path the second I can, regardless of if I’m ready to come out or not. Especially if I know I only have about 30 minutes of air in the cave. You assume he jumped where he had preplanned and reversed engineered a conclusion. There is no evidence for that. He had no pre-knowledge of where the plane would be. South. He was very clear. For the 100th time,, SOUTH IS NOT A PATH,,, it is 50% of a direction. You just have this wrong This supports the idea that he wanted to jump ASAP... nothing supports a targeted jump. He wasn’t ready to jump asap. You again use target jump. He isn’t jumping to a point. He is jumping to a region. To a terrain. Some terrain is better than others, he got it right. He jumped the lights of BG. Jumping lights is what others did too. Yes he was... he couldn't see the terrain until he had the airstairs lowered.. you assume because he landed in a good area that he intended it.. post hoc ergo prompter hoc Why,, because it makes no sense for Cooper to make a demand that he knows is impossible and would be rejected.. So, he must have believed the plane could make it to Mexico when he made the demand. He did have aviation and fuelling procedure knowledge,, so it doesn't make sense that he could make such a simple error. He isn’t a 727 expert. He did like Mac, he read up on it and/or picked someone’s brain. The key part is he knew it could make it to Mexico…he chose to allow it to go to Reno. He did not have to make that choose. He told them to pick it up in the air…he could have easily said fly straight to Mexico, I know the plane can make it so no funny stuff. But..he didn’t. You can't compare Cooper to Mac.. Cooper had some aviation knowledge and experience,, you can't know refuelling procedures and not realize flying dirty limits the range... You don't know if he only read up on it,, you are guessing poorly. We don't know why he decided to jump,, he didn't push back on the bailout rigs or the missing knapsack either. Remember, his initial demand was airstairs lowered inflight. It changed when Reno was in play. No. It changes when the pilots suggested to have the stairs down. It changed after Reno was in play, it isn't clear who initiated it but he wanted it and they had to talk him out of it. How does a guy with refuelling knowledge make that range error,, he didn't. They misunderstood his initial demand. Because it’s second hand knowledge. And once he was called out for it he just adjusted to Reno because he doesn’t care that much. Just fly south past Portland. That’s it. It’s all he needs. I’ve give the Central California analogy. From any Bay Area airport I could land in the farmlands. I don’t care what victor they take. Just fly east and it works. Second hand knowledge?? Where does that come from.. you make too many assumptions.. Your bias is that he targeted his jump, there is no evidence for that but your assumptions are wholly made up to support it.

BTW,, H asked for unmarked and not new bills.. I will totally speculate here... Cooper took a flight from the East heading West that he was going to hijack and divert South.. He bailed on that one for some reason.. flight eventually landed in Portland. He found flight 305 used a 727 and took it.. he never left the airport.

Don't see it... not for "negotiable" American or US maybe.. but that fits lots of people who were outside the US recently..

You claimed he jumped when he wanted to... aka, he lowered the stairs when he wanted to jump and targeted a spot. I presented the facts that challenge that conclusion. He changed his demand to airstairs open on takeoff. He put on the parachute and money right away. He tried to open the airstairs right away. He failed to get the stairs open as he expected and was delayed in getting them open. He had no pre-knowledge of where the plane would be. This supports the idea that he wanted to jump ASAP... nothing supports a targeted jump. So, my theory is that he didn't intend for the plane to fly dirty the entire way when he made his initial demand. His demand was conveyed via Tina to the crew, her 302 is a recall paraphrasing.. We don't know exactly what Cooper's initial demand was. Why,, because it makes no sense for Cooper to make a demand that he knows is impossible and would be rejected.. So, he must have believed the plane could make it to Mexico when he made the demand. He did have aviation and fuelling procedure knowledge,, so it doesn't make sense that he could make such a simple error. The only way this makes sense is that the crew misunderstood his initial demand,, he meant to fly dirty WHEN the airstairs were lowered inflight presumably on his request. Remember, his initial demand was airstairs lowered inflight. It changed when Reno was in play. Obviously, I can't prove it but this theory resolves all the conflicts. How does a guy with refuelling knowledge make that range error,, he didn't. They misunderstood his initial demand.

Not a crayon. looks like a coloured pencil.

I typed Alice by mistake,,, I corrected it before I saw your post. Tina was young,, negotiable and circulated can be mixed up,, but it may have been Rat... more likely Tina being young. Regardless, it is more likely a product of telephone.. Flo didn't hear it from Cooper and "negotiable" makes no sense. When things don't make sense there is usually another explanation.

Flo's notes are from the interphone comms,, Tina was the intermediary on the interphone.. IMO, that was probably Tina conflating the terms,, circulated and negotiable.. because negotiable makes zero sense.

Expectations are part of it.. The stairs operated in two modes. gravity drop and hydraulic assist, you need to press the button for hydraulic. The point is he tried to get the airstairs open immediately after takeoff, but was having trouble so he was delayed. The speed of the plane was not the issue.. it had resumed speed by the time Cooper jumped.

Gunther is s legit writer,, he contacted the FBI at end of August '82 about Clara he was also contacted by Clara afterward and told Himmelsbach,, He also told the FBI,,, "chances are it's a hoax" but he has to look into it. So, he was skeptical and that was the foundation of his book..

See, you just can't resist.

That has been obvious for years... but you do seem obsessed with me, most of your posts are about me not the case. What are you really scared of, Georger,,,

If you spent more time on the case than attacking me your case knowledge might get beyond 2011..