FLYJACK
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So, you now admit you don't know where it comes from, just random... What are the chances of two military hijackers of a 727 using the same random phrase NOT used by military and NOT used by sport jumpers..
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Hahneman and Cooper used that term.. These guys can't find anyone else who used that term,,
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Flo picked out KK5-1 who had a large nose,, she suggested changes but didn't say anything about the nose.. Alice is the only one who said small nose in interviews... it must have been her input on the sketch.
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You are really good at bad analogies..
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Ok, so your argument is that Cooper just randomly used that term,, He wasn't a sport jumper, he wasn't a wuffo, he was most likely military but he randomly used that term.. you, Ryan and everyone know that how? and by coincidence Hahneman randomly used the same term.. that nobody ever uses.. is that your argument..
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Not true,, I was responding to your false claims conflating bailout rigs with mains. The context was Hayden's 1940 era bailout rigs.. I was claiming that Cooper meant front reserves and mains when he said fronts and backs..NOT front reserves and a bailout rig. I never said it was exclusive as you keep claiming. I said it wasn't Fronts and backs is not sport jumper terminology. Cooper used the term and was not a sport jumper.. he was almost certainly military.. likely WW2 based on age and Hahneman used the same term.. So, it is false that military did not use that term...
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I don't disagree that it could be used by wuffos.. Cooper wasn't a wuffo... So, if it wasn't used by sport jumpers and according to you it wasn't used at all by military and Cooper wasn't a wuffo.. then it would be extremely rare for Cooper to use that term.. right? Virtually impossible..
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sure, I was responding to your incorrect claim about bailout rigs front and back means reserves and mains,,, that was what Cooper meant. NOT a bailout rig and a front reserve. Are you claiming that military personnel never use front and back...
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You haven't established anything.. a few anecdotes contradicted by Hahnaman and Cooper.. You are claiming military never uses it... I am not claiming it is exclusively used by military.. Since it is NOT used by sport jumpers.. and you claim NOT used by military.. then according to your logic, nobody uses it? Is it so rare that no sightly experienced jumper would use that term.. is that your claim?
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Are you speaking for Mark now.. So, according to you military didn't use it and according to Mark sport jumpers didn't use it... Not military and not sport jumpers. Is it so rare that no sightly experienced jumper would use that term..
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No, that isn't the right one. I do appreciate you falsely and dishonestly asserting my source of error.
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It wasn't used by skydivers... that is the whole point.. Mark (377) said so.. FACT.. Hahneman was old school military, he used the term. Cooper was old enough to be in WW2 and used the term,, sport jumpers don't use that term. If Cooper was not a sport jumper he was military.. Why is this so hard for you to understand.
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You are a serial liar... Ryan
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I never said that... I said it wasn't exclusive. You are the most dishonest person around...
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I didn't mean the very very first sketch.. Clearly, Rose met with the stews for A.. I didn't say she didn't meet Rose in Minneapolis,, I believe she met with him after the other two did together.. All three met Rose but only two were at the same time. It isn't clear due to redactions but it appears one stew likely Tina met with Rose after the other two.
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Rose said he met with two stews, not three. The files said he met with three. One redacted file indicates that one stew saw the sketch produced by the others.. I believe that third stew was Tina.. Rose met with three but only two at the same time...
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It is true,, Hahneman and Cooper said it.. A front and back is a reserve and main not a bailout rig as Ryan tried to claim.
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Now your arguments make sense... you are wrong. He had some parachute experience.. it was not his first jump. He rejected instructions.. (not believable for a first timer) He knew about D rings. He asked for a "parachute" proper term. He used "front and back" for clarification. He put it on easily as if he had done it before. He was not nervous. He jumped in about 2 minutes after getting to the bottom of the stairs. He rigged the money in a so called "drag bag". He acknowledged chutes were coming from McChord,,, (erroneous from the crew)
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What the... are you talking about.
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I never said it was exclusive.. Nicky you asked your military contact the wrong question... Cooper asked for "front and back", would a sport jumper say that or a WW2 military person say that?
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He was asking for skydiver rigs, not military,, are you sure about that? and I said it was old school terminology not current to 1971... Cooper was probably born in 1920's.. WW2 eligible.
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Rose met with two stews together as he said, the third later viewed the resulting sketch for input.
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So, as usual you are very confused.. Cooper initially demanded 2 "parachutes" that meant 2 sets of 1 back and 1 front.. he clarified and said "front and back chute".. I never said it was exclusive.. that is in your imagination. and I said when Ryan didn't understand that bailout rigs and mains are not the same.. "Asking for a "front and back" is old school military jargon for main and reserve.." which is true.. sport jumpers did not use that term. You and Ryan have twisted things far out of context.
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Alice is the only who said small nose... Alice and Flo made the initial sketch and Tina saw it later. Flo picked out KK5-1 with a large nose and NEVER said the nose was too big. It is never a good idea to have multiple witnesses together. Logiical inference.. Alice came up with the small nose.
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How do you know what happened, you are speaking for Rose now.. It is very bad procedure to have witnesses together... Why didn't Flo say the nose was too large when she picked out KK5-1.. answer: it wasn't.
