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So, the plane was still going to Mexico after Reno... the only change was refuelling in US vs Mexico.. He rejected large US airports for refuelling, that means he still expected to be on the plane in Reno.. and was concerned about the airport. But, he just decided, right or wrong that he would jump before Reno, we aren't in his head or understand his perception at the time, maybe he just got worried about getting rushed on the ground in Reno.. that makes sense if he didn't have a gun. If he was rushed on the ground in Reno with a fake bomb he was dead, if he was rushed with a real bomb he was dead. Maybe jumping early was the best option given the circumstances. because we don't know exactly why he decided to jump early doesn't mean it didn't happen.

This is actually a great question for a change. The range on the 727's varied by model and year,, it was 1800 miles from Dulles to Honduras,, but the plane landed in Mexico after the jump, another 500 miles, plus the big loop, close to 2500 miles.. So, it did need to refuel. Hahneman was very helpful to the crew and told them were to fly avoid mountains and make it to a safe landing. That plane had to refuel.. why pick New Orleans,, he lived there, his father died and is buried there, maybe some emotional thing. but 100% it did need to refuel. I just realized something.. it was 1500 miles to Mexico from Dulles, across the Gulf Mexico,, planes don't fly close to their limit especially over water but that may be why he chose New Orleans for fuel..

That is a lie,, I said it was a theory. Stop straw-manning. You always resort to lies Ryan.. You want low level speculation go back to FB..

His goal is the money..

Huh, he did change his mind, that is the point. Why do you spin this to attack me.

because you have no evidence, no logical inference, no argument, no idea that support in any way shape or form that Cooper had an accomplice or transportation at PDX.. Further, he jumped about 25 miles N of PDX... Cooper did not target PDX.. Your response to my question is nonsense.

He said no stopping in US for any reason, can refuel in Mexico,, to fuel in the US is his the change/acceptance, it is minor.. the flight would still be going to Mexico. His main goal is not compromised. The evidence is clear.. he did not know where the plane would be where he jumped. He gave no directions.. it was ad hoc.. After Reno was in play, he altered his demand from airstairs lowered inflight to down on takeoff indicating a plan alteration... he was convinced to up on takeoff. The fact that Cooper gave no directions seals it... that would have been done inflight just like the other hijackers. The evidence is there... I don't need to explain anything else. You will never get this if you still think Cooper knew where the plane would be and targeted his LZ.. He didn't, there is no evidence or argument that makes that work.

It does not hit a wall because we don't know exactly why Cooper did or didn't do something.. your logic is backasswards. He also did not demand a knapsack when he didn't get one. We don't know why that is.. Maybe he thought they have to refuel in Mexico anyway so he'll allow them to refuel in the US and be on the plane. But, decided screw it I can just jump I have the money.. Point is you are rejecting a sound theory based on your own assumption,, very bad logic. You don't have to accept a theory but never reject on an assumption.

um, because he actually did demand a flight to Mexico nonstop... Now, you are claiming to know his inner thoughts... It is clear you do not grasp this issue.. Cooper boarded 305 with a plan to jump South of the US,, his initial demands were slightly misunderstood, that caused Reno to be in play, he then decided to jump as soon as he could to avoid Reno. That was at 8:11 about 25 miles N of Portland.. making his jump not targeted and ad hoc. No accomplice, no transportation waiting, nothing to do with PDX... This is supported by evidence and contradicted by none. I get that people want to add layers of unsupported speculation.. it makes for fun conversation but does not help to advance the case.

That is for sure. I apply Bayesian analysis, maybe you should try it. You still can't back up your claim or explain the case incompatibility. It is just made up nonsense.

Absolutely,,, The evidence does not support your idea, it is very poor.. there is nothing to support this. Cooper landed 25 miles N of Portland.. he had no foreknowledge or input of the planes location... that contradicts your "speculation".. You know this. What don't you understand. Speculation is necessary but bad speculation is a distraction. He didn't even actually jump near PDX. I also have three incompatible theories for TBAR, all fit the evidence.. clearly not all can be true. Good, speculation needs to fit the evidence (yours did not) be reasonable, plausible and based on logical inference.

I am criticizing your claim that it was because he had an accomplice or transportation,,, completely made up. ZERO indication of that... in fact, the evidence goes against this.. he had no input or foreknowledge of the planes location. He landed about 25 miles North of Portland.

He didn't need to.. but, I believe/theorize 305 was not his primary target.. His primary target landed in Portland earlier that day probably UAL.. He aborted that one for some reason and selected 305. I wouldn't be surprised if he had luggage left on that first flight.

Absolutely in this case to claim an accomplice or transportation... All speculation is not created equal... There is nothing to indicate those things ZERO. it is completely made up. My theories have a foundation have logical inferences with support,,, they are not completely made up. Not even close..

This is so simple.. Why would Cooper demand a flight to Mexico with no stops in US.. if it was impossible and would be renegotiated. He must have believed the plane could make Mexico when he made the demand. Either he is an idiot or his "fly dirty" demand was miscommunicated. WE know he had aviation experience so it is very unlikely he was wrong. He was knowledgeable about the fuelling procedure. So, his demand was miscommunicated. Now, rethink the entire hijacking with that in mind. Everything falls into place. Initially, he wanted to fly to Mexico. He would have given path instructions in the air and airstairs lowered in the air. When Reno was negotiated he decided to jump as soon as he could to avoid being on the plane at Reno. His jump at 8:11 was not a targeted LZ by time or place. He had no input or prior knowledge of the planes location/path.

From Cooper's perspective he wouldn't know the crew misunderstood his demand. Like "telephone" comms go to Tina then to the crew.. one word can change all meaning. Why skyjack PNW.. because that was not his first target. He stated Mexico City was his target destination (could refuel in Mexico) so that does not support the coastal route. He rejected large airports.. why, if he was jumping in the PNW.. Forget BG,, it is not relevant at all. Cooper could see lights... he jumped at 8:11 about 20 miles North of Portland. The other hijackers gave directions, Cooper did not.. because his initial plan was to give those directions in the air. You don't give them on the ground and give away tour intentions. From my notes... Cooper’s initial demand was airstair's lowered inflight, FACT,, he changed it later during negotiations with the crew and Reno was in play. FACT During negotiations Cooper rejected large airports for US refuelling but accepted the smaller Reno FACT.. why, likely because he thought he was still going to be on the plane.. but he then decided to jump early. Otherwise, he wouldn’t care what size airport they used to refuel. Cooper believed the plane could reach Mexico when he made his initial Mexico demand. This is a logical inference based on his aviation knowledge. It makes no sense to make a demand that was impossible and would be rejected. Ruse or not. Cooper’s initial demand was given to Tina then relayed by her to the crew. Cooper put on his chute after US fuelling stop negotiations. Cooper’s initial demand (airstair's lowered inflight) suggests the gear down flaps down configuration when he ordered the airstair's lowered inflight not from takeoff. Cooper never intended to jump near Portland, when Reno was in play he wanted to jump ASAP but was delayed having trouble with the stairs. Cooper gave no flightpath instructions. He did not know where the plane would be. Cooper would have given directions later in the air. He did not jump where he had planned. Cooper qualified the money as both “US” and “American”… suggesting a non US domestic connection. Cooper was described as Latin.. features and characteristics. Cooper was not dressed for a wet/cold PNW jump. Cooper could have flown anywhere and jumped anywhere and he ends up jumping where the hijacking started.. unlikely this is planned. It is ad hoc.

Ryan, you have the tie clip on the wrong side.

McNally was going much faster. So, it gets complicated because 727 the airstairs can gravity drop or hydraulic assist depending on how you operate the lever. We just don't know exactly how Cooper operated the lever but the error Cooper people make is assuming the light means the airstais are open.. the light only indicates the lever has been moved from its detent and is NOT locked. Then there is a button on top and you push and hold the lever forward. If Cooper didn't press the button or hold it forward but just moved the lever the light would go on but the airstairs would not open. The sled test is not really helpful because they knew how to open the airstairs. If operated correctly in gravity drop it opens 1-3 feet then weight on them pushes it open further.. Problem is we don't know exactly what Cooper did with the lever. It appears from the evidence that he did not operate it correctly until close to 8:05.

No, it is 8:11,,, I know what I am talking about,, the Cooper guys on FB screwed this all up. But that isn't really your point.. To open the airstairs you need to push the lever forward press a button on top and hold it there. Once the lever is moved from the locked position detent the light comes on but that doesn't mean the airstairs are "open".. At 7:40 he moves the lever from the detent but does not open the airstairs. IMO, it wasn't really the air pressure holding the airstairs up but rather Cooper had failed to operate the lever correctly. The plane wasn't moving that fast,, and other hijackers got out at higher speeds. By 8:05 he figured it out. There was no intentionally specific jump timing.

Cooper jumped at 8:11.. BG has nothing to do with anything. I was 8:11-8:15 until recently but now I can prove the FBI and Spangler were right and it was 8:11. That is 8:11 on the FBI map not Cunningham's bogus time alteration. Forget about BG. The airstair light is not the stairs open and down.. the airstair light only means the lever was moved form its detent and they are not locked. Cooper moved the lever but the airstairs didn't drop. He asked the pilots to slow down. It is unclear wether he didn't operate the lever correctly or the speed of the plane kept the stairs form falling, maybe both. The airstairs can be open and not down. Like I said my theory is that his demands were misunderstood by the crew going through Tina, initially he did not intend for the plane to fly dirty from takeoff but when the airstairs were lowered inflight. He would have given directions and order the airstairs down later while inflight probable outside the US. Remember, Cooper rejected large US airports for refuelling, that can only mean he was still thinking he would be on the plane. Cooper didn't fight the fuel stop... he also didn't fight the missing D Rings or the lack of a knapsack.. When Reno was in play he just decided to jump early. Why is selecting a short flight meaninglful,, he could have hijacked a long flight and have it land anywhere including short. Cooper had zero input on the plane's path, none. That plane could have been anywhere on roughly a 130 mile horizontal line heading south. There is no way he would know were it would be when he was jumping, he did not plan that spot. This is not debatable, Cooper did not know/plan his jump spot. Cooper wanted out before Reno and as soon as he could he just jumped. No targeted LZ. Since the jump was ad hoc, no accomplice or transportation waiting,,,

Nope, he jumps at 8:11 but he was struggling to get the airstairs down, it is in the files.

Way too much unsupported speculation,,, 1. Irrelevant, Cooper did not jump at BG. 2. Irrelevant, Cooper did not jump at BG. 3. His jump was delayed due to trouble with the airstairs, did I mention Cooper did not jump at BG. It isn't entirely clear if the pilots or Cooper first suggested lowering airstairs on take off but Cooper did fight the pilots to have the airstairs open because Reno was in play. The pilots wanted to get Tina off the plane. He rejected refuelling at large US airports,, why if he was jumping in the PNW.. because at that time he was still thinking he would on the plane. If he was thinking he was still going to be on the plane for Reno then his PNW jump was not his planned jump, it was ad hoc. Cooper did not know where the plane would be, it had roughly a 120 mile wide range it could have been from the Ocean to the mountains heading South. NO WAY he knew where it would be, had transportation waiting or an accomplice. My theory is that he wanted to get out of the US and then give directions and lower the airstairs to jump.

Still makes no sense for Cooper to plan to jump near PDX..

Not necessarily.

There is speculation and there is speculation.. what you said has zero to back it up. What I am saying is not proven but has some support. Not the same.