mrshutter45

Quote You are a Saint! shutter say's: well, Southern folk are well known for hospitality and kindness But, don't misjudge it for weakness this will also stop the crying of 'I can't read PDF files or see You Tube video's" (violin playing in background) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, I'm willing to offer you a better computer. I have about 10 computers here. this would at least help you better with documents, You Tube etc. just let me know where to send it, and I will with no problem. E-machine 250 gig Hard Drive 1 gig of memory XP-Professional operating system. dial up modem PDF reader it's just sitting here collecting dust. it needs a home. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo States: I am not afraid of this man's story, but because of who I think he is. Read your PM then you will understand. my box is empty? the FBI cleaned it out moments ago just kidding, but, I have no new PM's. nothing from you? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

MrShutter wrote ***not possible Jo. you are telling me that someone sits in front of a computer waiting on you to make a post? are you kidding me?????? It actually would be possible if someone had shared control of her computer, but I don't believe for a moment that it is happening. Jo has been advised MANY times how to prevent things from going "poof" (compose your post text in Word and set it up for autosave, then copy the text from the Word doc. and paste it on the Cooper forum form)... but Jo keeps on doing things the same old way. Sigh. Jo, if things go "poof" when you are not connected to the Interet then there is no way some third party could be doing it as you type. Since you have dialup it is very easy to disconnect without any doubt. Just pull the phone line plug out of your computer. You are not persecuted here Jo, you are challenged. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You cannot reasonably expect intense emotion and personal certainty to substiitute for objective evidence. 377 correct, this is why I was saying it's doubtful someone sits in waiting. cloning is the term I believe. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I have a thought here Jo. lets try something shall we? why don't we let Paul tell his story in a civil manor, and take from that point. you know nothing about him, you think you do, but, no proof he is who you think he is. let the man speak. are you afraid of something? is this not a form where evidence is discussed? or is it just your evidence? should we judge him by looking only at the cover? people are already asking him questions in a respectable manor. let's try it? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

ok, my error, or someone didn't allow me to see it anyway he is speaking about where he was at that moment. and not on Tena's bar. how is he mixing things up? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I just looked at the posts made by Paul. where does he even mention Frenchmans bar?????? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Note this is elementary my dear and if one has to explain it to the new guy there is NO reason for me to waste my time...he needs to do his OWN research I suggest everyone here read Tosaw's book. I just made a long post and for some reason it would NOT post. Page 100 / 101 is a very important statement by the Fazios. I typed it all on the thread and it went POOF! Someone is monitoring what I post and if it does NOT meet with their standards they make sure it goes POOF! Frenchman's bar and Tina's bar ARE NOT one and the SAME. The man does NOT know what he is talking about. Remember that Tosaw made his extensive interviews on a personal level and did many test in REAL TIME. "The fazios surmised that the money was probably washed ashore during the recent runoff from a big snow storm that covered the entire area. The brothers said that althought their poroperty is only a few feet above seal level, rarely --- maybe once or twice a yr. ---- does the river rise to the level where the money was found." I am only posting part of what was in the original post - because of a time factor right now. READ the BOOK! Jo, I never said they were the same. how can it be east of Tena Bar? "I typed it all on the thread and it went POOF! Someone is monitoring what I post and if it does NOT meet with their standards they make sure it goes POOF!? not possible Jo. you are telling me that someone sits in front of a computer waiting on you to make a post? are you kidding me?????? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"When is the story going to break from Eng, Fowler, etal since their names are being dropped daily" sounds to me like a phone call to Seattle would be the right thing to do? can we verify the statements being made with a phone call? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Except that the people who have testified to this are real folks, named, still alive, and can be contacted by the FBI anytime for verification on their previous statements and testimony. You kinda forgot about that part. I'm not in the habit of presenting available evidence without a means of verification. The unedited version of this document has always been available to the people who matter, the media. or anyone who presents legit credentials and a reason why they need it. I am always happy to provide, but because of the prevalence of Cooper Nuts (trust me, they exist) I have to make an effort to protect those people listed in the document. To do anything else would be irresponsible. What? Do you think I am so desperate to sell a friggin' book that I would act irresponsibly to do so? LOL, I may be poor as a church mouse but my family in general will never have to worry where their next meal is coming from. My mother says she's leaving a quarter of the estate to the Humane Society and my sister and I split the rest. And on the day that happens, I will be crushed beyond belief and lucky if I don't paddle out into the Pacific and never come back. 'Cause I kinda love my mom. We shared a lot together. You guys are SO funny sometimes. You think you know me, but you really don't. Not even a smidgen. It's never been about whether I make a buck on Cooper. It's only been about the truth. That's why I don't claim KC was without doubt the hijacker. Because the truth is, I don't know. You don't listen. Maybe you're starting to believe the 900 comments. (*laughs*) I didn't really need a big explanation from you trying to explain the fact that the two are the same. the bottom line is you just told Jo without any evidence (matchbook) she has nothing. "I saw those matches" "anyone could claim the same thing" now, you are claiming KC wore a wig, but, you have zero proof other than someone telling you this correct? Testified and Testimony are court terms. was this a court record you are speaking of? one of your witnesses states that KC stopped wearing the toupee shortly after the crime (*laughs*) she was able to pinpoint this 40 years later? give me a break Matlock (*giggles*) she states he didn't wear it to work, so I guess he was worried if he wore it to a movie theater someone would yell out "hey, look it's DB Cooper" (*eyes roll to back of head*) why is it you can't accept Jo stating she had those matches, but, you can claim KC wore a rug because someone said so? "Anyone could claim the same thing" lets do a test shall we. I will replace the word matches with Toupee in your response to Jo. Now, if the ID on the toupee was public knowledge shortly after the hijacking, then this changes everything. Then you have to provide the toupee Duane had, otherwise there is no evidence here. Anyone could claim the same thing, i.e. 'I saw the toupee'." not the same (*laughs*) "You kinda forgot about that part. I'm not in the habit of presenting available evidence without a means of verification" what available evidence, someone telling you this? can you prove these statements, can you verify them with real evidence like a picture of KC with a toupee? otherwise there is no evidence here! ah yes, the famous 900 comments shows up to rescue you once again. must you tell this story 900 times to get the point across about those stupid comments? it's been about 3 pages since you last commented about them. keep the quota up (*giggles*) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Otherwise, it's the same as if I tried to say that I (or a witness) saw a book of SkyChef matches in Kenny's possessions years previous to the public revelation on them, and that (*surprise*) they were tossed out. Now, if the ID on these matches was public knowledge shortly after the hijacking, then this changes everything. Then you have to provide the matchbook Duane had, otherwise there is no evidence here. Anyone could claim the same thing, i.e. 'I saw those matches'." KC wearing a toupee is different? (*surprise*) no pictures, no toupee. no proof other than people stating he wore a toupee. no evidence here...right? anyone could claim he wore a toupee.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

You DO not have a clue: 1. Frenchman's Bar is East of Tena's Bar. 2. Anyone with money to put in the box they kept up front at the gate was able to use the beach. 3. The Bch is private NOW - but NOT in 1971 nor 1979 (when I was with the man who put the money on the river). YOU are SO far out there this is ridiculous! The more you talk the more you sound like a man who contacted me with a ridiculous story. When he couldn't use me he had to find another vehicle to get on board. I proposed earlier to the thread you might be that same man and the more you talk to more I think you are either him or one of his supposed comrads. I was told one monitored the thread and the other was law enforcement. This man could shift gears in mid-sentence - I say you are two peas in a pod if you are NOT the same person. He frightening and was intimidating and bolsterous in the same as manner as your postings. He also claimed to have gone to the FBI. By the way his "story" was supporting Weber as Cooper, but he could not convince me he was not fabricating his story. The more I rebuffed him the more angry he got. Like you he also claimed to have contacted the FBI. Jo, where exactly is "Frenchman's Bar" are you sure you want to butt heads with someone who lives in Vancouver? at this point I don't see the need to go into auto assault mode. let the guy tell his story. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

mrshutter45 wrote: Even if you ID a suspect later who worked with titanium sponge, this doesn't mean that person is Cooper. You would have to produce all the other evidence to even present a case: Alibi, motive, witnesses, money evidence. Otherwise you still don't have shit. I get a laugh out of reading some of the posts here chasing dead ends. As I said, maybe Cooper picked up the tie from a friend, an accomplice, maybe the Goodwill. You have no chain of evidence with the tie, making it basically USELESS unless you can link a suspect to it and then find similar deposits on that suspect's clothing...and then you have to provide the other evidence linking them to the hijacking. Jo, mrshutter45 didn't make that quote, Blevins did..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

The wanted poster does not mention the tie clip. I can't vouch for what Tina seen in the time she was with him. Blevins also claims the tie is the only personal item left on the plane?? what about the butts, possible prints and the cup he drank out of? unfortunately they have vanished, but back in the 70's most were probably saying "what the hell do we need this for" so, myths are born of a cover up instead of a logical factor of negligence. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Not as good as a polaroid but better than nothing I suppose.

"It was NOT known if it was the same tie, but was found between the seats, but NOT where Cooper was sitting." Ckret states this: "In reference to the tie, we only know Cooper was described as wearing a black tie with a clasp and a black tie with a clasp was found in the seat Cooper had been sitting in." where is documentation going against what the FBI directly said? he follows up with this post: "The tie was found on the seat. Can't lift prints from fabric, or should I say the vast majority of fabrics. In 1971 there really would be no reason to leave behind the tie to throw off investigators. There would have been far better choices than the tie. Having said that almost anything is possible, however, nothing I know of points in the direction that the tie was planted by Cooper." "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Quote Where has Blevins published the entire closed thread? I thought he was forced to take that down? How did it become Blevins' property to publish? This wasn't very long after Blevins joined this thread. He downloaded and massaged the closed thread and then had a link to where he had the massaged thread online. My use of the word "publish" was intended to convey that he had, as I remember it, a public link that led to an entire DZ thread (even though it was closed on DZ) that he had removed from DZ and that he had posted at a non-DZ site. Perhaps he later removed it. But my question to Blevins is the same as the one you ask above. How did it become Blevins "property" to do that to a DZ thread? And was he doing the same thing under the table with the present thread? A few years ago, a legal dispute arose between the now late J. D. Salinger, of "Catcher in the Rye" fame, about the ownership of letters he had written to his former 18 year old mistress. His former girlfriend wanted to sell the letters to pay for her children's college education. As I remember it, after quite a bit of litigation it was ruled that the former girlfriend owned the letters but Salinger owned the words. Also, if I remember correctly, a wealthy admirer of Salinger's bought the letters and returned them to him. Consequently, they were not publicly released and the former girlfriend got the money she needed for her children's education. Robert99 are you saying Blevins is doing this? http://blog.kissmetrics.com/content-scrapers/ the mighty holder of Copyrights has failed again, like the story about his Beetles music being on his site. you know where he threw the old lady under the bus, even though he said this.."we applied for that back in 2005 and the arrangements on it are NYOB" WE being key word....AAAAAAAmazing "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

suspect 101 Blevins is obviously (in his mind) smarter than the FBI, NWO and anyone who disagree's with his logic. what exactly did the ATC guys prepare for? ok guys he will be taking off in a couple hours, where he is going has not been said. be prepared for anything on your screens did they tune the screens, change the color? what exactly did they prepare for? McChord AFB. "305 appears to be going in circles. what now?" how many hours did McChord have with incoming missiles? Hey, Russia, you didn't give us time to prepare. or possibly they had the path made before take off? oops, Cooper told them a flight plan can be made after take off. thank God they had time to prepare. Charlie Sheen acts in this manor..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LtBSqGzi3o after his "Winning" tour, he went on talk shows admitting that he was "losing"... a Superiority complex can be a dangerous thing. Charlie proved this very well. Oh well...... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

agreed, I don't have anything against him either! I draw the line when one attacks for no reason. he constantly warns Georger of credibility, are you F'n kidding me here. how does he say it..."Hello, is anybody in there" it seems the people who push suspects want to configure things they way they think it should be, fit to there suspect. I believe he also mentions family testimonies and validation. he brought this up a couple years back with Marla. I believe he is right when you read some of these comments and find it hard not to (*laugh*)....(*smiles*) yep, the thread was turning until he showed up with the smart ass remarks and assaults. unfortunately it's sad because he does feel superior over everyone else. Me? just an average guy looking for answers to a not so average case..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Blevins, I do appreciate your efforts at humor as indicated above. Really, I do. Honestly. While I have not quoted your "legal opinions" about the Cooper case, it seems that most of those that you presented could also be applied to undermine your KC book and its theories. Alas, "legal opinions" and "scientific facts" are two different things. But now that you have (reportedly) lawyered up, I suspect that you are more interested in trying to milk more money out of your Cooper book than in determining the identity of Cooper. In your forthcoming Cooper book, which you have mentioned in this thread before, are you just ripping off the posters here on DZ and trying to cash in on their research rather than actually doing some research yourself? You might want to talk to your lawyer about that. You have already downloaded and "published" the entire closed Cooper thread. And I imagine that you are doing, or going to do, the same thing for this present Cooper thread. And you probably have other "modifications" in mind for this thread as well. Again, you might want to talk to your lawyer about that. Robert99 they guy is amazing to say the least. he concludes things he has no knowledge of. threatens people with legal action. I'd love to see his bill if he decides to TRY and do something (*laughs*) Georger has him pegged. it's his way, or no way. period. his logic makes zero sense because he side steps most of the evidence and turns around and says the path is 100% correct (*giggles*) (*new one*) I don't know enough about your conclusions of how the money got onto the river bank, but, I'm all ears and open to anything possible. I believe one of the first steps in understanding these things would be checking the flight path. I believe it's possible something can be found. calculations are always subject to error. I understand radar was involved, but, mistakes happen. let me ask this question. exactly how would they take the radar information and pin it to the location given on the map. today's tech can probably tell you where the plane was at 8:15:22 showing it flying over Joe's junkyard at that exact moment. 1971? not so sure. plus the fact of how wide a Vector really is. lots of variables here. again, I find it strange that these people can take everything evidence wise out of context, but.......not that damn flight path buddy!!! that sucker is perfect! everything else...change at your own discretion? description....change it all ya want. things documented Cooper said.....nope...change it. things Tom Kaye said.....nope, change the direction. The tie and clip.............Goodwill....KC had one? went to Goodwill for the tie only? The Flight Path.....DANGER this map has been sealed and locked down with neoprene washers and a Chastity belt for added security insuring the map is 100% correct. zero probability of error. big letters on the outside "BACK OFF" "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Because, Brain Boys...you can't prove the source of the tie. What if Cooper picked up the tie from a Goodwill, or borrowed it from a friend? Why was it the only personal piece of evidence he left behind on the plane?" "Maybe he knew it couldn't be traced back to him." now a quote from your website: "When this picture (without the caption on it) was shown to the sister of the alleged accomplice, she did NOT recognize the tie. However, she immediately identified the tie-tac on it as one she had seen Kenny Christiansen wear many times. In addition, 'Dawn J,' also said the same thing as Kenny's brother Lyle Christiansen had claimed previously: That Kenny owned a toupee, but that he only wore it socially, and not on the job. NOTE: The tie is from JC Penneys. The tie-tack is of unknown origin." I thought it couldn't be traced back to him? but you seem to fit it right into your story? the briefcase had his prints all over it, naturally he would get rid of it. as for the the tie. back in that day he had zero clue of how DNA could be found on it. zero risk of leaving it. the tie would only get in his way jumping. a guess would say he took it off while putting the harness on. do you have a picture of him wearing it "many times"? nope. do you have a picture of him wearing a toupee? nope. you got nothing but a bunch of words. perhaps you should jump on the Geviett boat and claim KC was wearing spring loaded lift boots to gain the height required. If the FBI questioned KC and his family in 1971, what do you think they would say? probably lie and say something different as to what they now tell you right? but, they are being honest now right? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I think your new name shall be "Thumb Bob" so, tell me Thumb Bob. what exactly (5th time) is the reason for my simulation project? try to keep it in a short sentence. do you think R99 is telling me where to fly the plane? what position does R99 have with my project? pilot. co-pilot, navigator, mentor? "Even if you ID a suspect later who worked with titanium sponge, this doesn't mean that person is Cooper. You would have to produce all the other evidence to even present a case: Alibi, motive, witnesses, money evidence. Otherwise you still don't have shit. I get a laugh out of reading some of the posts here chasing dead ends" "chasing dead ends" not the same as chasing some short bald guy? (*eyes roll*) how many airline employee's do you think you could match the Cooper case too? lots I bet if you looked hard enough. basically you conclude that descriptions are way off the chart. zero proof of where extra income came from as evidence. (KC) didn't Cooper say this. "'I don't have a grudge against your airline" let me guess. he was lying when he said this right? how many things are YOU twisting around to fit your suspect into being Cooper? then you turn around and insult people with there theories without looking into the possibilities? it seems that it's ok for you to go against actual quotes and descriptions and certain events, but the flight path is correct and can't be looked into??? a bunch of smart guys did the flight path. a bunch of idiots gave wrong descriptions. a bunch of fools decided the Amboy chute was not Cooper's. I'll give you a little hint. the FBI has a map showing the route flight 305 took. sets of transcripts and radio conversations were taken. they give details of where the plane was by time, altitude and locations. this is what I am recreating. I'm not (6th time) trying to put the plane over Tina Bar. I have had a lot of trial and error along this path. I decided the software I was using was not good enough for the testing. I have changed the software and now will be changing the computer once again because of the demand the software requires. it will be a couple months before the new system will be fully functional. these things take time in order for it to be the way I want it be. I want good usable data coming off this project. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1N17yc7pe0 Please, continue with your smart ass comments that always seem to put this thread in a stand still. I am trying to resolve some issues and not one up or try to act like a know it all.... I forgot this quote: "Hey...I wonder why the Army and the FBI went looking up in Ariel, which by the way is some distance from Tina Bar?" Hey, I wonder why they now admit the search area is probably wrong? how could this be with a bunch of smart guys? (*Laughs*) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

it downloads to your computer. takes a couple minutes and stores it where you you list your downloads. added: yes the file is corrupt..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

" You guys claimed they were never at 7000 and I have the PROOF right here - I had all of this all along!" Jo, nobody has ever said they were not at 7,000. you are reading from the transcripts that everyone has had for a long time. they never "dropped altitude" just minutes after take off they were at an altitude of 7,000. they held this altitude for about 10 minutes then climbed to 10,000. this was very early in the flight. I have shown this many times in the last year. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Quote RUMOR has it they have, or have not. I missed the public announcement. Do you know ? Was there an announcement? I think they would use the term....."not a person of interest" and leave it at that "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI