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That doesnt mean much. I know some DZs and clubs from that era who wouldnt have ratted out a fellow jumper even if he showed up with 200,000 in twenties a few days after the skyjack. He'd have to buy beer for the rest of his days though. It was a different scene in the late 60s and early 70s. No tandems. Very few if any outsiders at a DZ on any given weekend especially if it was in a rural area. Jumpers formed a very close knit group. It's different now. Not necessarily worse, just different. Can I get an amen from Guru and Airtwardo on this? 377 what you are saying might be true, but don't forget the ground can silence you much better. no long term beer tabs required "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Pretty good detective work on the 727. 377 Pretty lofty stuff! Could fall under the same heading as: interdimensional beings Why would you opt for becoming an interdimensional being hijacker when all you have to do is give Howard Hughes or the New York Times a call, and sell a few interdimensional trade secrets? Hell the CIA would pay a fortune for these! Easy money. Then you could BUY Tibet vs. housing your family in a mud hut in it! If money was all the hijacking was about. Woo woo. Woo woo. Chuck Barris call home! The mice are lose in the attic AGAIN! Strange sounds in the bell tower again. Sheridan is the devil. Sheridan is the devil. The DB Cooper Hijacking had its roots in CIA activity in South East Asia And by 1980 inflation would reduce that paultry $200k ranson to barely enough to finance a wedding or pay for burying the family pet or Grandpa ... which shows terrible financial planning on the hijacker's part! Sheridan is the devil. Sheridan is the devil. that would be this pic..... http://www.utdallas.edu/library/specialcollections/hac/cataam/Leeker/aircraft/jets.pdf "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

apparently he came in too low and slow. here is some video showing the crash... http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/08/us/asiana-airlines-crash/index.html "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Based on what the National Transportation Safety Board and other sources have reported thus far, the pilots found themselves in the throes of an unstable approach—apparently below the proper glide path and at too low a speed—and failed to correct or abandon the approach in time. They initiated a go-around—a fairly routine maneuver, referred to by some people as an "aborted landing," in which the approach is broken off and the jet climbs away for a second attempt—but it was too late. How or why they got themselves in this position, and why they did not correct or abandon the landing sooner, remains unknown. Reportedly, Flight 214's captain was new to the aircraft, and had accrued fewer than 50 total hours in the 777 prior to the accident. While much is being made of this, to me it's a red herring. Pilots transition from aircraft type to aircraft type all the time, and it's not uncommon for a pilot to have a limited number of hours in whichever plane he or she has most recently qualified in. But experience in a particular model and experience overall are different things. All airline pilots are highly trained and are highly experienced before they ever set foot in a jetliner cockpit. he should have seen his Glide Slope (Glide Path) was off. should of had a cockpit warning of GS being too low? did he realize past the point of no return to power up and go around? http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/transport/2013/07/asiana_airlines_crash_stop_blaming_sfo_s_runways_and_korea_s_pilots_for.html "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

it appears you have taken this photo from KIROTV news website and didn't credit them. don't worry I won't turn you in. sorry to hear about your friend. http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/taxi-driver-dies-following-crash-suv-ran-red-light/nYdzs/ Copyright on the web seems to be a difficult concept for some people to understand. But it's really simple: If you did not write or create the article, graphic, or data that you found, then you need permission from the owner before you can copy it. Remember, when you use someone's graphic, HTML, or text without permission, you are stealing, and they can take action against you. if you are using Fair Use. then you should credit the material you are using. oh Scheiße....... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Charleen-Luisa übt mit Max Biundo für ihren nächsten großen Auftritt. Sie muss dem guten Max immer mal wieder auf die Sprünge helfen. Seine MaxMaxime: "Von der Jugend lernen heißt für den Rest des Lebens lernen" erweist sich mal wieder als einzig Richtige... Du, du liegst mir im Herzen "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I know the Fair Use rules inside and out, Shutter. Are you kidding or what? You already said they squashed your stolen song and then you managed to slam it back up because no one bitched. It's still theivery. You're just trying to rationalize it. LOL read Title 17 sometime. Copyright rules have been in place for a while now. Because of the internet, there are many violations. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make you honest if you violate them. Linking to YouTube videos is not a copyright violation by the way. Unless you incorporate them into your own work somehow without permission. Speaking of copyrights, let me tell you about the people who are REALLY nervous: The Estate of H.G. Wells. His copyrights run out in 2016. They did a 76-year renewal at his death in 1940. In 2016, everything he's ever done will become public domain. Shutter, please don't try to lecture me on these things. I'm a student of them. It's necessary. "I was hit twice by UMG for having songs on my videos. I simply filed a counter" where did I explain anything about what the terms and reasons were for the DMCA to hit me? I had two videos with about 5 minutes of time on them. in the video was 20 seconds of a song. the other video was about the same because I used the same song and method. I filed the counter and they didn't respond and You Tube put my videos back up. this was also a documentary which I could of used the "educational purpose" clause as well. actually I had a third one as well. a guy doing ghost videos reversed his voice on his video. I used his audio to show how he did it. he hit me with the DMCA as well. I countered with fair use because I used 3 seconds of his 3 minute video. got that one back as well. again, you have no right to implicate me as a thief. still dodging around the advertising question I see. no linking videos are not a violation, but you are knowingly putting the links up. just like Vicki did. it just so happen to be her video this time. I'll be watching for your next music video making sure it's not pirated. contributing doesn't help either.... how honest are you being with yourself advertising on here? you even stated you are profiting off this site? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

are you running windows 98? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, you have said on here more than 3 or 4 times that you were not at Tena Bar in 79. if you would have been there the odds are pretty high of seeing Vancouver Lake. even higher if you were coming from the Red Lion Inn. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"this makes you a thief." Final note.....don't ever call me a thief unless you have all the facts! you know nothing about the videos in question, you know nothing about how much of each song I used. you apparently know nothing about "fair use" and obviously just allow these multi million dollar companies scream infringement whether they are right or wrong according to there LAW. now I'm done with you!! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

you have done your fare share of it as well. all those music vids you show on here, are they legal? bet there not. you are avoiding my question that was directed at you for advertising on here. not with Vicki's little video with 35 views on it. you seem to want to police the internet on just about everything...except what you do. go ahead a protect the money hungry fools that make billions in the music and television industry. what I did was perfectly legal. I called the bluff and they lost. I did nothing illegal and was within my rights according to You Tube guidelines. if they change the rules. then I will follow those as well. (*laughs*) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I think that may be true for some of the more casual Cooperland inhabitants. But I also think there are a great number of people who would like to see the case solved, especially if it meant no one was going to jail over it. (I.E. hijacker died of natural causes years ago, or something) Problem: No one has stepped forward with enough evidence to positively, without-a-doubt, identify the hijacker. Not me, not you, and certainly not Marla Cooper. This situation will continue until something breaks in the case. It's the same for Jimmy Hoffa, the Black Dahlia case, Amelia Earhart, and other unsolved mysteries. Here is your Unsolved Mystery! Sorry. I could not help myself! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhjSnvlzG0w We're small...but we're also a registered US trade publisher. This means we don't support copyright violations. I watched the first ten seconds of the video until I realized you simply pirated it (again) for a YouTube upload. No worries. I won't rat you out. But when you do that, it means people don't have to go HERE for example...and that's not really fair to the creator. but you have no problem advertising on here while it is against the rules??????? What advertising? I don't put up links to anything we have for sale at AB. It's bad manners. And straight up copyright violations are against Federal law, Title 17. Rather than copying over a boring rendition of the penalties, here's Purdue University's quick eye-opener: Better for VickiW to simply direct people to Amazon for the video. People pirate stuff all the time. I once had to deal with Barnes and Noble trying to steal issues of our former sci-fi mag Escape Velocity because they were putting it up for sale for the Nook without our permission and failing to send us any of the money on sales. I sqaushed that shit faster than you can say 'where are my Guccis?' I was hit twice by UMG for having songs on my videos. I simply filed a counter. they have 10 days to file against my little video...guess what. the video was back up after 25 days. I suggest perhaps you need to stop watching You Tube all together. I would say more than half of the videos have Copyright issues. who cares what Vicki did with the video. and NO I'm not going two pages over this either. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I think that may be true for some of the more casual Cooperland inhabitants. But I also think there are a great number of people who would like to see the case solved, especially if it meant no one was going to jail over it. (I.E. hijacker died of natural causes years ago, or something) Problem: No one has stepped forward with enough evidence to positively, without-a-doubt, identify the hijacker. Not me, not you, and certainly not Marla Cooper. This situation will continue until something breaks in the case. It's the same for Jimmy Hoffa, the Black Dahlia case, Amelia Earhart, and other unsolved mysteries. Here is your Unsolved Mystery! Sorry. I could not help myself! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhjSnvlzG0w We're small...but we're also a registered US trade publisher. This means we don't support copyright violations. I watched the first ten seconds of the video until I realized you simply pirated it (again) for a YouTube upload. No worries. I won't rat you out. But when you do that, it means people don't have to go HERE for example...and that's not really fair to the creator. but you have no problem advertising on here while it is against the rules??????? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

DAN COOPER ID MAKE IT AND I KNOW THIS WITH ALL OF MY HEART AND SOUL! HE TRIED TO TELL ME, BUT DUMB ME DIDN'T GET IT! I JUST DID NOT GET IT. I HAD COOPER ALL ALONG - I SPENT 17 YRS WITH THIS MAN! I HAVE TOLD NO LIES - NONE AT ALL. I FOLLOWED THE THEORIES TRYING TO PROVE TO MYSELF HE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN COOPER, BUT ALL I DID FIND WAS CONFIRMATION. HEAD IS BUSTING! Jo, I have no doubt in my mind that you believe Duane was Cooper. when you are looking at this from the outside nothing seems to tell that story. we react to you the same way you react when other suspects come in view. when you can prove you were in Washington in 79. perhaps you could get some validation. I think you have been caught up in this so long you can't see what we see anymore. you get so angry and frustrated when you are confronted. there is no more time for tales and teases. 17 years of trying to act as if you have the key. open the door if you have it? you have tried to put a whole life story into a few short years Duane was free from 45-71. I'm sorry Jo. this is how I see it. Jo, Tom is talking about the bag you seen Duane throw into the river...... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Nice!!!! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

nobody knows if Cooper even wore the clothing he had on before. no way of really proving anything he was wearing unless it was some rare item. lot's of people wore suits, lot's of people had tie clips. I think if you found a picture with a guy holding a briefcase open showing a bomb......we might be onto something I'm starting to lean back over the fence of Cooper not making it again....I don't know?????????? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"You have taken his words and a letter he did and twisted it to fit your own theory - which is just that theory - you were NOT on that beach in 1980 or in 1971 or in 1979." you were not on the beach in those years either. you are trying to say the money was only there about 4 months or so. you can't even prove you were anywhere around the Columbia in 79. have you had any other scientific reports that can prove or disprove anything on the Palmer report or Tom's findings? I can find the post by Tom telling you your theory is not right. I can't find any proof from you showing your theory is right. Tom Kaye had this to say: Dec 17, 2008 Jo, I can tell you absolutely, positively and with COMPLETE authority, that the bills on Tena Bar had nothing to do with Duane and the bag your talking about. I am listening to all your evidence carefully and trying objectively to see if any of it fits into our investigation. In this particular case the question is answered. Now this is my test for you to see if in fact you really are accepting of new facts that prove Duane innocent or guilty. If you don't accept my answer, and continue to believe the bag is related to the money, it will color your other evidence from my perspective. Thanks, Tom "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

COLUMBIA FLOOD OF 1977 - A drought that had plagued the Pacific Northwest throughout the year was broken with November and December storms. The storms caused large amounts of rain and flooding in three separate events during the 2 months. Twelve Washington counties were declared Federal disaster areas (Washington State Department of Community, Trade and Economy, 1995) (U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, 1978c). Northern Washington was affected by the December 2-3 flood, which resulted in five deaths and $14.8 million in damages. Southern Washington and northern Oregon experienced flooding on three different occasions. Flooding occurred in the Cowlitz River Basin in southwest Washingon and along the Columbia River in Oregon on November 25, December 2-3, and December 13-15. Flooding in the Willamette River Basin of Oregon occurred on November 25 and December 13-15. These floods caused $16.2 million in damages in the lower Columbia River Basin and along coastal drainages in Oregon (U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, 1978c). Selected References for 1977 "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Quote I think you mean 79 flood. If it's the Palmer Report you're thinking of ... Worst drought in decades hit the area going into '79. Ended abruptly in Dec 79. By early Jan 80, some Washougal tributaries were 10 feet out of their banks. The citation in the Palmer Report is that in order for the Washougal to have been involved, the money or its bag would have had to have been within 10ft of some tributary... in order to have been carried down the Washougal.. where as we know from JT and Blevins tests, things from the Washougal do wind up on Tina Bar ... precisely where the money and Tina childhood photos and photos from buDop all wind up ... just waiting for Ingram to build a fire. This discounts interdimensional teletransportation via the Maldum Fornax Vector Diode according to Bruce Smith who runs Mountain Hi News ... not to be confused with RobertMBlevins Adventure Books Trolling Newsvine News! Any new Cooper Cult news? I was taking the date from what Carr said in his post. I forgot it was 79. is any pictures of Portland/Vancouver around showing the flooding? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

here Carr seems to be following the advise of Rataczak's time of 10-15 minutes after the last contact of Cooper at 8:05. this also confirms my time frames of 8:15-8:20. this puts him over the Portland area and a whole lot of water pockets that can follow into the Columbia, or through flooding in 77 that could also move the money. it's only a theory, but not as crazy as I have seen in the past. it is right up the alley I have been looking at myself. this helps conclude I'm not that crazy either but could also show that two people are crazy here is what Carr explains: He jumps and the pressure bump is felt by the crew, but not at 8:11 more around 8:15 to 8:20. The bag of money Cooper tied to him is instantly ripped from his waist as he tumbles. Cooper, not expecting the forces of the jump, desperately tries to pull the handle but he can't find it, panics and no pulls. The theory on the money and it's discovery by natural means in 1980 go here and I do believe it is the most solid. Now what? We have to find the farthest northwest location that the bag could have landed and emptied into the Washougal Water Shed, keeping in mind the 77 flood. next we have to drop a canvass bag of money from 10,000 feet and see how far it travels under conditions. Then we have to take that data and extrapolate it to 11/24/71. With these two items we can find a new flight path and location of the pressure bump. With that, we can come up with a new AB line and if cooper did a no pull locate his resting place at the new point A. To find out who he was, we need a list of all who served on flight crews out of McChord from 46 to 51. I think we can rule out pilots, even if they were not jumpers they have to much awareness of the forces at play and would have thought better of the jump or did it like McCoy. Once we have that list, find all from 5'10 to 6'1 brown hair, brown eyes. Then a quick background, if they were alive after 11/71 they can be ruled out. If they disappeared after 1971 then we have a suspect. The first part is do-able, the second will take some huge effort and the cooperation of those who have other things to worry about right now. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

unfortunately the tie in the photo is not a clip on. you can see the tie starting to go around the collar of the neck. the knot also appears to be smaller. I didn't show it in this pic, but he is not wearing a tie clip either. added... I have read parts of the thread going way back into it, but missed this part about Carr explaining the "dummy" chute. this blows a hole in BK's little scam as well. March 29, 2008 The agent who originally interviewed Cossey mistakenly reported it was sewn shut. it was not sewn shut, the canopy was cut in half and the panels then sewn together. This was done so that when students practiced deploying the emergency canopy they could easily gather it and quickly stuff it back in the container for another practice throw. Anyone with any amount of experience would have know the x's on the container meant, "you might not want to use this one when jumping out of a plane." Also, when he picked it up it would have been very obvious, if you have any amount of experience, (by that I mean how tight containers are packed) that something was wrong because it would have been "squishy" (not my word but from someone who would know what the belly reserve would have felt like). If he deployed it, it would have been like one of those guns you pull the trigger and a flag comes out of the barrel that says, "bang." "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

if anyone was to assume a cover up or conspiracy on the Amboy chute. the only reason I could see this would be some sort of publicity stunt by Carr to get the attention of the case nation wide. that's pushing the envelope as well. here is an extreme close up of the chute. I don't know if these are considered "silk fibers" or not. second pic shows a 1944 silk chute. note the hem line seems to be on both chutes. perhaps a jumper could tell us more. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

thanks for the update. it's interesting they know each other. I wish she would of asked her how the money got on the river bank. I love how these people stress the point of not knowing who Cooper was. people tend to react different when they think you know nothing about the case. I recorded the second video just in case it disappears!!! Marla's mother really doesn't say anything about what she knows the way Marla presents it. you see this in the video from the past (link below) and why would LD have comics of Dan Cooper on the wall if the CIA put him up to it? how does the CIA come to conclusions picking people like LD, Duane etc. they would use trained people in this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHSZWmwHrb8 I understand stories changing when finding more evidence, but she is flipping 360 degrees by stating CIA. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

well, hopefully this will quiet another one down who claims the case will be closed. good info thanks..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Bob, the guy who says he got a call has never been confirmed. records indicate he wasn't working for Boeing in 1971. he was retired. get all of your records out of that imaginary 27 foot trailer. I think you will be needing them very soon. I think maybe it is time to remind old Bobby who of who he said TOG was. Hmmm could it be Bill Rataczak? yes I believe that is exactly who he said TOG was lmao "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI