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They don't make rubberbands like they use to. ;) The bundles were randomized per Ckret. Did the FBI or whoever Randomize the money within the bundles make a list of the Randomized money Serial number makeup within each bundle? It would seem to be prudent as one can track Cooper spending of the money if the 20's got spent. Like..... is he spending one bundle at a time? If there is a list of how the 20's were randomized within each bundle.....does the Tena bar bundles match the FBI list of randomized bundle makeups? Who knows? As far I know Ckret never said. They wanted it to look like a rush job. They had time to make a list. " They had time to make a list." everyone sing along......he's making a list, checking it twice....sorry...had to do it "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I had worked for NW at the time of the DB Cooper hijacking of the NW 727. I was working that evening in the regional flight office. My boss at the time was the Chief Pilot, I believe it was Al Lee. I recall listening to the conversations between the pilot and the ground as the entire event unfolded. As I told Cherry the other day, and to this day I do not often tell the story, because most when told the story look at me with disbelief. Two weeks following the hijacking I was working in the terminal. I was approached by a guy who asked for directions to the NW flight to Honolulu. Flight 87. I took his ticket noticing three things that we were trained to be "red flags". A one way ticket, paid in cash, and no luggage to check. Also, I had seen the composite sketch of DB, and this fellow very much resembled the composite. After the fellow had left me I contacted my supervisor telling him that I thought that DB was heading toward the Honolulu flight. He seemed not too interested in what I was telling me and then asked me to go to board the flight to Alaska. Around noon time I was having lunch with the Sky Marshal who had been stationed at the Honolulu flight. I asked him if he saw the guy who looked like DB. He said that he had and that he had showed him the composite of DB and asked him if he was that guy. The guy told him, no, and the fellow was allowed to board the flight. Somewhere along the way the FBI was notified I do understand. A day passed and I was asked to meet with two FBI agents in the NW Top Flight Lounge. The agents showed me the composite what they thought Cooper looked like and asked me if that was the guy that I had met the previous day? I told them it was and then I asked them what had happened to the guy. The agents told me that FBI people had met the flight on its arrival in Honolulu but after searching the plane and passengers they concluded that he did not arrive in Honolulu. A big mystery to this day. What happened to the guy from the time that the Sky Marshal encountered him and hr boarded the flight to Honolulu? A flight that he never arrived there on. I have a few theories on it but we will never know what really happened. Thanks Norm Harris PDF from WSHS "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

nice pics! you can clearly read the gauges. appears they took the last row of seats out. here is a picture of the team put together for the testing. Added: an email from a Northwest employee.....WSHS WSHS also has a PDF...Larry Carr Dropzone threads....81 pages "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Gray never mentions the FBI or Bank people binding the bundles with rubberbands. McCoy loot appears to not have rubberbands on them.... Picture Attached.... I still say McCoy looks a lot older than his actual age. At least in newspapers. Pictures are not of McCoy. They are of an actor stand-in to protect Mac's identity. That actor became very well known Picture verified by McCoy, attached, nose and ear job but easily identifiable. The money was copied on a fax machine and rebundled by Northwest. They did not have bill wrappers so they used rubber bands and did it all in a very huge hurry. That is why the bundles are not accurate count and that is where the money bag came from. It was a case (bag) from the guy who counted de money. A brand new case he just bought for his camera or whatever. Per Dave Haapala. the snow job is pretty easy to spot too.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

here is some things I found about the property..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

that could be the start of the misdirection??? why would they put a sign on the property incorrect? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Right - just like no one bit when I posted it except Jo and I don't think I ever did get that pm. . What's up with that, Jo? You're right - it is no biggie... I was just trying to point out that, although it has been discussed in the past, sometimes it seems folks think that some topics are disrespectful or untouchable. Like Tina's behavior or NWA / Donald Nyrop's (it seems) complete lack of curiosity about finding out whodunit. I guess because it is so speculative and touches on that other bad C word (conspiracy). To Mr test.....According to a telegraph article...here....http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/8667855/The-40-year-mystery-of-Americas-greatest-skyjacking.html........"Tina Bar is named after Del Tina, the man Richard’s father bought the property from 60 years ago. Richard says he and his brother knew nothing about the money until the FBI showed up on their doorstep: Ingram’s parents had contacted local police themselves. Albert was in town the morning the FBI came; Richard was eating lunch with some colleagues. “There was a knock at the door and these two guys were dressed just like you’d imagine FBI agents back then,” he says. “In trench coats.” The next day a van full of agents showed up, set up an investigation site, posted guards at the entrance and spent a week digging up the Fazios’ river front. Richard says it was a media circus. “We helped the FBI, using our backhoe to dig in the sand, but we found nothing.” Richard and Albert say the money was discovered on top of the sand and must, therefore, have floated down river rather than been deliberately buried....." investigations can be disrespectful. I don't think anything should be untouchable. people do strange things for strange reasons. we have so many unanswered questions about the money find that makes one wonder what all took place on the plane. logic plays a factor over disrespect or untouchable. all paths need to be cleared in order to find answers. nobody knows any of the people who were on the plane. we can't judge the book simply by it's cover. we have bits and pieces of what took place. we can't possibly come to any conclusions of foul play. unless we have the whole story. (we don't) Law Enforcement is not bias. they look at everyone as a suspect. sometimes a hunch can turn into something. I don't have a clue whether any of this would go anywhere, but, I think we might be over looking the obvious in some cases. you don't know what is under the rock until you turn it over... also, talking to a person on the phone several times or interviewing them will not give you all the answers about there personality. cops will bring you back in over and over asking questions. (more insight) 3 of us have now had thoughts about this in a short period of time. must be a reason..no? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I'm trying to figure out when Tena (Aka) Tina bar was named. Before the hijacking and money find? None of the articles I've looked at about the money find (year 1980) mentioned Tena or Tina bar. (Maybe they wanted to keep it secret?) ALSO....Was the (sand bar?) name changed to Tina from Tena after the Money was found by Ingram. (A tribute to Tina Mucklow?) I could have sworn I saw a sign that read Tena Bar. (somewhere on the web) Here is a 2009 image of the Sign to the entrace of TINA bar aka Tena bar from Tom Kayes website. Kaye says the name Tena is MISSPELLED on the Sign....BIZARRE! the Tena/Tina thing has been going on for years. I don't know when the actual name came into play. perhaps Amazon has answers? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I think it's time to hand over the case to the US Marshal's and let them pick up the pace. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I mentioned this a while back, but nobody took a bite. I was also wondering if she was showing guilt when she got off the plane instead of being scared from the ordeal. where was Tina living from 71-1980? Begging to differ Mr. S......

here are some interesting documents from Pierce County. also has Kenny's handwriting on it...... all Public Records..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I mentioned this a while back, but nobody took a bite. I was also wondering if she was showing guilt when she got off the plane instead of being scared from the ordeal. where was Tina living from 71-1980? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Post number 844, April 1, 2008 from Ckret... "It is my understanding the money was wraped in rubber bands, no paper bands. the money was put together in different bill counts so it looked as if it was put together in a hurry." That is not the most definitive statement and it doesn't seem logical to me. Cooper has a bomb on the plane and the bank employees purposely radomized the bundles thus making it hard for Cooper to quickly sample check the money count in a few bundles. The path of least resistance is to bundle them evenly so Cooper won't potentially get upset. I doubt Cooper counted all the money. you realize how long this would take? a couple years back I was paid in cash $10,000 for balance due. the lady paid in 20's. I forget how long it was, but it wasn't a couple minutes. probably 15-20. I would guess he fanned thru most of them looking for blanks. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, how many of them were sued for saying something online? zero I'll bet. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

We are not talking about just any eyewitnesses. We are talking about two young, intelligent women who spent 5 hours on a plane with him, sitting next to him and talking to him directly, trying to gather as much info about his as possible for the authorities. It wasn't a fleeting glance. That is why you cannot dismiss Coop's description out of hand. It is one of the best clues there is. If the FBI was certain of Cooper's eye color they wouldnt have even bothered interviewing Sheridan Peterson much less perform multiple interviews and finally insist on a DNA sample. I've often wondered why Cooper made little effort to disguise himself. If his eye color on the plane wasnt his real eye color then that might explain it. Can I prove Peterson was Cooper? No, not even close. Just a bunch of very provocative coincidences. Even if Sheridan wont talk about Norjack I'd love to talk to him about early skydiving. I started jumping in 1968 and am fascinated by the sport's early history. Sheridan was one of its more colorful and unique participants. There is so much I'd like to ask him about including sport jumping in Saigion using RVNAF military helos. I'd love to know if he and other jumpers in Nam knew about the SAT 727 airdrops in Thailand. Sheridan is pretty active on the Internet (but not so much lately). he may still be reading this forum. If so PM me Sherdian. Let's bury the hatchet and talk about old school skydiving if nothing else. I assure you I am not FBI or CIA and in fact am far on the other side of that spectrum. I don't think anyone is more anti-authoritarian than Sheridan, but I definitely share the trait. 377 If you knew that "Cooper" was recognized by the copilot when the note came to the cockpit, and a long convincing discussion pursued with Captain Scott to convince him to go along with the program, would you have a different opinion? If the copilot had trained Cooper and knew the exact jump point immediately, would it make more sense? If the delays to get the chutes by the FBI were a delaying tactic to get McCoy in a follow chopper, if the course was intentionally shifted west without detection by a 'seat of the pants' copilot to hide the dropzone, would things seem to fall in place? I'm not going to say these things are absolutely true, because it would get me in more hot water. But I can tell you absolutely that Peterson is no Cooper, because I knew Cooper and all of the Norjak boys. Chew on that MrShutter, Badgerman. sorry Bobby, nothing you say is truthful...end of story. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

a message through Bruce won't help your quest to contact him? sounds like one stubborn type of a guy....so much paranoia in this case. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

no, I don't believe Cooper is your only interest, but, I do see the normal mistakes typically made by you. I still didn't see anything about rights. normally they are under the photo's. why would you require a license when you could fall under fair use? is it the amount of photo's. are all of these from one site, one license? the last time we went thru this you had some BS about a paypal account taking your money for the last 8 years illegally (*wink*) all of the sudden I see permission on the pics. lol "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, what you do with any type of numbers is not proof of anything. I have not been able to find anything on a "coded letter" when it comes to DB Cooper other than what you are trying to claim. I mentioned that if there was an actual "coded letter" then something could be looked into. myths are started like this. do you remember what stories came about when Buddy Holly's gun was found at the crash site? Never mention Buddy Holly on this thread. You will get directed to THIS, which has been viewed more than 200K times and is considered one of the more accurate articles about his death. Linked out enmasse. I don't mind bragging about it. Good article. I researched it for nearly a year. I didn't read it all. I recall last year you were incorrect on a lot of findings. I did notice pictures you have taken from other sites without giving any recognition as to where they came from though. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, what you do with any type of numbers is not proof of anything. I have not been able to find anything on a "coded letter" when it comes to DB Cooper other than what you are trying to claim. I mentioned that if there was an actual "coded letter" then something could be looked into. myths are started like this. do you remember what stories came about when Buddy Holly's gun was found at the crash site? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Loosing track of who said what. A California paper received a note supposedly from Cooper with a number code on it....it telling them if they could decipher it that could find him. One of the older journalist there said they figured it was forwarded to the FBI. The code was Duane's navy and army number written in Code - it was in the back of the metal address thing he had. I had asked Duane what the numbers were and he said it was code for his Navy and Army number. This was during the last yr he was alive. My comment to him was "You were never in the Army". Remember I was unaware of the ARMY "time" until the brother provide the proof he was and Doug Pasternak provide the official proof that Duane was in the Army and the FBI had claimed he was never in the Army. Perhaps they did not consider a few wks If you can call a few wks being in the Army! He was DISCHARGED as an undesirable. That Code was on the same page as a Chicago phone number he was supposed to call if he was ever in trouble. This was discussed in the thread. Seems like the entire Cooper Story has become a Spoof. Jo, you keep saying "supposedly" I have never heard of this letter. if it had Duane's military numbers on it, that would be proof. but I don't recall reading anything about a coded letter sent. how could something "supposedly" add up to anything? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I seen a couple of them. GC148 is a code he says. break it, and you break the case. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Duane has full filled a lifetime of achievements during his freedom between prison sentences. CIA, Area 51 (new to the story) personally knows one of the Anglin brothers from the escape from Alcatraz. JFK. I wouldn't doubt he was part of the Mercury and Apollo projects. it's also been said that Duane broke a land speed record which caused a sonic boom while being discharged from Jefferson. jumping out of a plane was child's play I tell ya....Film At 11.. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

History Channel is famous for taking a long time to load the video before you can actually view it. The other one, the one created by WSHM, well...I'm not saying you SHOULD, but you can make your own DVD out of that by using 'Save Target As'. That should be done for your personal use only. One reason you may want to is because sites like WSHM often delete those videos after the exhibit ends, or if bandwidth use becomes a problem. I was a bit surprised to see they had made it into a Windows audio-video file, though. A bit old fashioned these days. I don't usually have any problems with it. I get hit with the commercials when you skip towards the end. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

it's right here.... http://www.history.com/shows/brad-meltzers-decoded/videos "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

the link is bad..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI