mrshutter45

take a little of the same crap you continue to DISH out!Tongue You sound like someone on crack or with a discipline problem lately. In fact that is exactly how your post are sounding for the last few days - full of crap and just looking to pick a fight with someone or anyone you can bully around. totally uncalled for Jo. if you can't handle the heat.......... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

one surly doesn't have take a trip to Wa to understand a changing story Jo. you can't handle criticism or being called upon. you get too angry. you will never accept any other truth other than your own. I have read that dozens of times. you don't have one solid piece of evidence. it's a shame Duane did this to you. I think it was one last try at being someone. I think he knew you would go to hell's end for him. seems his plan has worked. End of subject?.....very, very doubtful....extremely.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I don't need my head examined Jo. it's the way you state things. you claim both ways. Duane was not on Tena's bar, nor Cooper. there was never a house on the beach.. close to it maybe. like a 1000 feet. nothing has changed building wise from looking at the photo's. the public records show some of them going back into the 50's. the way you are speaking now we might as well say the road is on the beach? I have reviewed and talked to people about how the money could move. one of them is not in a container you have said to be a large as a gallon of ice creme. this will be I think the 3rd time posting this comment. 337 and Georger said to put Duane on Tena Bar. you replied you couldn't. it also shows you saying Cooper and Duane was not on Tena bar. it's hard to see this I'm sure. again, I don't know what to tell you???? I put the wrong post up....both work "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"I know what was there in 1st 2wk of Sept 1979 and in 2001" Ummm. you have stated many times it was the end of September. then went on in some comments to first week of Oct. "You can look at fricking arials all you want" I realize the photo is kind of like evidence. that's why you don't like it Jo. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

" AM NOT STATING THEM DIFFERENTLY YOU ARE TAKING PHRASE FROM A POST AND NOT LOOKING OR READING WHAT WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT NOR THE TIME FRAMES.' Jo, one post 377 said for you to put Duane on Tena's bar. you replied you couldn't. how could one mix that up? it's in black and white Jo. several times. "Duane was not on Tena bar. only a fool would allow himself to be in a place someone would question his presence." you can't misquote this by stating something was said before you wrote it. "Cooper did not put the money there. it got there by the flow of the water." the bridge. stopping, moving. either way. you are implying it was money he tossed into the river. you made claims this is how it arrived on the shore. now you state Duane went onto Tena bar and planted it. "I believe a small packet of money was thrown out over a bridge in Longview" 30 miles north of Tena bar. 'I never said Duane THREW anything in the river at Tena's bar. I said he buried it behind the house and on the beach behind the house." what house on the beach? I'll say it again. you have him burying things, possibly digging them up. you claim many, many times the money came from the Red Lion. you are all over the board. putting everything in caps won't help. if the money was damaged as you say from being in the ground. this means he buried, dug it and threw it in the river. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"THE DISTANCE BETWEEN TENA'S BAR AND THE RED LION ARE IRRELEVANT!" actually I believe they are. can you prove money can float all the way to Tens Bar. 'NEVER HAVE I INDICATED DUANE DUG UP ANY MONEY AT TENA'S BAR!" If you read my post I clearly said dug up or buried. If you don't believe the money got anywhere from the Red Lion. why are you constantly bringing it up, but turn around and say it had to get onto Tena Bar by water? here is an over head shot of Tena bar. amazingly it's at the end of September, right when you were supposedly there. I don't see the buildings you speak of. the second pic is 74 I believe. how did you get in unnoticed? unless you strolled up on the beach you must of been there a while? it's really hard to believe this Jo. you have multiple stories about Tena Bar. multiple stories about where the money ended up he threw in the river. you have no evidence proving money was in the paper bag. you really don't have evidence being there. this is about the same as the records for KC. nothing shown. a lot of talk, but no proof shown. you can get as mad as you want, but, it's how I see it. sorry.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

that picture is real 100% I swear by it.....pretty easy with no proof Knoss. just taking after you. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, you claimed he threw something off a bridge and at the base of one. if he went onto Tena Bar what was he doing? Ok, I found this quote, but you still make it sound like it was money. "I mentioned Duane throwing something out of the car crossing the bridge. I asked Duane what he threw out." "I believe a small packet of money was thrown out over a bridge in Longview" "I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE I KNOW HE MADE A DEPOSIT AT TENA'S BAR AND THEN IN THE RIVER AT THE RED LION" "I believe he expected it to sink to the bottom of the Columbian and be long gone - instead it was found on the beach about 7 months later." 7 months later? "Whatever he did across from the PDX - well that just ended up in the bottom of the Columbia. He sure as hell spend some time down there on the river out of my site for some damn reason and he had a shovel and he popped the trunk so I never saw what he took to the river." that is to bury or dig up no? 'I never said Duane THREW anything in the river at Tena's bar. I said he buried it behind the house and on the beach behind the house." again Jo, you are stating different things. doesn't matter what year or time. you are on record stating he buried money. naturally he would dig it up. or it wouldn't be found. different stories about Tena bar. I know you are getting upset, but this is what is on the thread Jo. there is also a picture of Tena Bar dating 9-29-79 I don't see the buildings you are talking about by the beach. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Bob, a 5 gallon milk can is not water proof. the money would be a mess. just like your story. you know, where Janet seen a man on the stairs. oops, you place him further north where she wouldn't see him because he would already be on the ground. maybe you can use the sewn shut thingy. oops, the container wasn't sewn shut, the panels were. well, Hmm. ok. you were drafted. oops you claim you didn't have a draft period, but, claim you were served induction papers. you were first in line, no, you were the last one there. on a Saturday. rotflmao. Ok, you were a College drop out. oops, wrong again. lets try Dave Haapala. the guy who you said owned a communications company. BZZZZZ wrong again. ok, follow the oil pipeline along the Columbia. BZZZ wrong again. well crap. ok, the flight path was 15 miles west of the original path. oops again. now the path is past the Columbia. I know, lets ask Mac. here is a picture of him. this has been verified and signed by a Florida Department of Motor Vehicle employee. just send me your email, I'll send you a certified copy with a Notary stamp. I swear that all the above is true. it can all be verified. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

#1 you need to show scientific reports concluding what the money would look like after 7 years. was the container sealed, did it leak over the years. you have no proof. the paper bag would not last long in the water. even a good thick one would break up in a short period of time. evidence has shown the money sinks. why would someone risk there life only to bury it all over the place? doesn't make sense. why bury it in multiple places. that would be worse. what bridge did you guys stop on? I don't think it's legal to stop on bridges, unless a emergency occurs. why risk once again holding evidence in hand. Duane buried the money, Duane dug up the money, Duane threw the money away, Duane laundered the money? Duane was on Tena Bar, Duane was no where near Tena Bar. I would hope the FBI is not looking at this Jo. basically Duane went to Tena Bar and dug up money or buried it. then it back fires because he threw money off the pier ( 8 miles away) and it landed on Tena Bar???? if he was working with the CIA. why glue the ears? they would have erased everything about his background. Duane is not a ghost. patterns and records everywhere. showing him as a con man. that is a person who fools people Jo. I just can't buy into all of this Jo......sorry. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I have explained this one before. I was upset with the crew because they wanted me to get down and pretend to be pushing away sand like the picture made of Brian in 1980. A lot was going on and there were lots of people and cameras (I am camera shy and do NOT like lots of people around me). The appearance of the beach from the parking area was the view I remembered. In 1979 - I did NOT leave the parking area and did not go down to the beach. How it looked from the beach is a hell of a lot different than it looked from the parking place. I wanted them to show me other places so I would be 100% sure this was it. Some things were there in 2001 that WHERE NOT there in 1979. Trees had changed and some building and equipment on my left as I faced the river....It was after left the crew on the river and went BACK up to the parking lot - and was alone that the doubts left me. I had absolutely NO doubts and after I asked Himmelsbach a question about a building on my right along the river as we drove to the Red Lion. We were in the back seat and I doubt the crew heard or cared about what he and I were talking about. Conversations were going all over the place...and At one point before we got to the Red Lion and on the North Side of the road they started to talk about Flushing channels, but we had passed whatever was being pointed out by the time I looked in that direction. (THEY drove VERY fast by my Southern standards). They were trying to do a lot in the few hours we had. Much of the conversation was over my head and remember I had not been there since 1979 with Duane. Each time I have been there - things have changed. 1979, 2001 and 2010. There is a difference between - expectations and memories and to revisit an area 22 yrs later.......! Frankly I doubt you youngsters could have done this - 22 yrs after the fact. Try to remember a place you visited in 1979 very briefly and then 22 yrs later GO back. THINGS change and you have to look beyond what is new and ask questions if this was not there or was there at specific times. THIS is what I did. I ASKED them to take me to similar places - I wanted to be sure and I have NOT changed my stand on that...I needed to be re-assured that it was NOT a similar place and nothing else was even close. Jo, from 2008 thru 2010 you have been pretty "Adamant" in stating you or Duane was not on Tena Bar in 1979. you also state this. "only a fool would allow himself to be in a place someone would question his presence." your story changes past 2010 anyway you look at it. I don't know what to tell you. it's all right in the thread. multiple times. how many miles do you think it is from the Red Lion to Tena Bar via waterway? a lot more than the 2 miles you have claimed. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Sept 2, 2008...377 said this.. Jo, Put Duane at Tena Bar before the money find and I'll pay attention. A nebulous stealthy meeting with unknown people at the Fontaine Blue Bar proves nothing with respect to Norjack. Better yet, put Duane in a chute. You said you could. You said you had proof he was Cooper. Stop teasing and show it, or admit you mislead us. 377 it happens over several years Jo and then changes. your reply was a day later. see photo "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, I don't think you ever explained why you said multiple times Duane was no where near Tena Bar? July 3, 2008...Ok, Duane went NOWHERE near Tena's Bar. the closest we got was The Red Lion Inn at the bridge. Jan 21,2008...I walked away from the crew and Himmelsbach back to the cars...I was crying and wanted to be alone. I was not going to pretend this was the area Duane took me in 1979. there is a couple more.....? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

If we go by one of the reports you have shown shortly after the find. it appears the bundles were not all together. I believe they estimated the Ingram's found $3000. that leaves roughly $2800 found by the FBI. I don't know how many rubber bands they were talking about when they said they crumbled when touched. key word, they. "The $5,800 dollars in twenty-dollar bills still had intact rubber bands" this gives a clue that no bill were released from a stack. or bundle. each bundle would have to be some where in the area of $1940. short of $2000 bundles. to confuse it more they claim Brian found around $3000. which again would be short of two bundles. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

My Cooper twenty has no tan line. Darn. Those ones are probably worth more. Occam keeps telling me crooks dont throw money away. The money at Tena Bar says accident to Mr. Occam, not an intentional plant. 377 I can also agree with that comment. I'm not a scientist, so, perhaps this could be wrong but, the money supposedly sat there somewhere around a year. I would think evidence would start to disappear. then you have the Ingram's washing the money. now lots of evidence must of been wiped clean. we have a flight path under consideration, no dropzone written in stone, lots of water around the flight path at it's closest spot to T-Bar. we don't have a body, chute. nothing. can we automatically assume he made because of lack of evidence? or do we say he didn't make it. no real proof there either??? back to square one. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

'Georger did a simple but convincing analysis of the chances that Cooper landed in water. The odds were VERY low as I recall." I can agree with that as long as the area is correct as to where they think he landed. Rataczak throws a wrench in this when he states the time frame of 10-15 minutes past the 8:05 mark. take the worse case and you are around lots of water past the 8:16 point. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

that sounds like a question for Georger. there are 12 stacks there because the Ingram's took the bundle apart trying to clean them. I guess you are basically looking for a tan line correct. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

conflictions...according to Blevins Company E, Third Parachute Training Regiment. Sent to Pacific Theater later, but war was ending by the time he got there, assigned to duty in Occupied Japan, in the city of Fukuoka. according to Gray: "Kenny trained with 11th Airborne Division, the Angels, which had been sent to the Pacific. But he never saw combat. When he was finally deployed, on August 16, 1945, his discharge papers show, the war was over. He ended up in Japan, joining the initial occupation forces". http://www.ww2-airborne.us/18corps/11abn/11_overview.html "I've looked up 11th airborne rosters before but have never found KC's name." " proof that he was a paratrooper has never been presented though it's been asked since the beginning." "Or ask Geoffrey Gray in an email. He was the first to mention Christiansen's service publicly, not me. Always go to the original source." I think the original source would be the US Army? does anyone see a problem here that needs proper documentation? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"As far as I know, proof that he was a paratrooper has never been presented though it's been asked since the beginning. I've never thought about it before, but that is kind of odd.' yep, that's how I see it. I went back into the thread and seen the questions. Blevins also states in 2010 I think it was that he would get the records. apparently it never happened. I was just asking for validation, but, the same old page after page starts. the privacy thing is ridiculous. his SSN is all over the place. his past has been exposed. etc. I said it a couple days ago. the privacy thing went out the window while accusing him of a Federal crime. I don't follow the logic. the family and friends are all on board lynching him for a second death. where exactly is the respect there? I think these people enjoy this. I think Marla said to someone "ya it's pretty neat" or something to that effect. I don't think they grasp what really happened to some of the people on that plane. perhaps they think since it was so long ago, nobody cares about there feelings. I wonder what Tina or Flo would say if they read this thread and seen what these people do to try and place them where they once were? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

'Enough time has been spent on YOU.' agreed. next time he asks you for anything, just tell him to look it up himself. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I shouldn't have to do anything. simple request that you want me to pay for? I didn't investigate KC. you did. it's been brought up before. no proof shown. I'm not trying to prove he wasn't in the paratroopers. I'm trying to see validation. big difference. Matt said the same thing. why can't you get the records from Porteous? I don't understand the problem......I don't have anything to do with what Georger has said. I would worry about the interview though. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

well, once again there are reasons. I'm trying to get something straight. it seems this goes back to Sept. 3, 2012 post made by matthewcline: I thought we recently talked in here about #3 and showed it wasn't Kenny in those pics and there was no record, as of yet, showing he had been a Paratrooper? Robert responds by stating they know everything about his record. then writes this: "I did post up his Army induction paperwork once, had his thumbprint on it." I'm getting the feeling he has never seen the actual records. so, as he always says: "This is how it works. If you question one thing that is unsupported, you should question ALL major issues that are presented without support." it's a fair request. something like this would be nice....see pic "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

there are several reasons surrounding Georger's comment. #1 I believe I posted several times that it could be an inside source, and he can not go beyond the point he has. #2 not everyone cares about KC & Duane. they might read it and say, "no shock there" and not care one way or the other. I would like to see what happens, but, I'm willing to wait and see what transforms before any conclusions are given. the death certificate? I really don't know much about it. personally, I could care less if you spent $100,000. still doesn't produce the documents requested. you would think your buddy Porteaus would have copies readily available at zero cost? I'm not trying to one up anyone. proof is what I like to see. I;m not seeing it. if it pops up. so be it. that's what I would like to see. it's not a game to me. I just like seeing what people are trying to present. If you were in the driver seat, you would be saying. " the very fact of asking for evidence and getting nothing proves this thread is slanted" "This is how it works. If you question one thing that is unsupported, you should question ALL major issues that are presented without support." "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

well, you have asked Georger numerous times to produce. I lost count. I just find it strange that no records are being produced. typically I'm seeing paratrooper engraved on there stone when they decide to put military status on them. the same was said about LD. Marla claimed he was a paratrooper and yet nothing on the stone because he wasn't. I'm not saying KC was or was not at this point. I just haven't seen anything Official. you are "Mr. source, please" so I thought I would return the favor. I shouldn't be the one paying anything. I'm the one reviewing a claim. not financing one. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Ask the Seattle FBI. They have his records now. Porteous sent copies to them a long time ago, including his discharge paper. I think it's senseless to suggest Kenny wasn't in the paratroops. There is paperwork available, his letters home, etc. I once posted a portion of the discharge showing his thumbprint on it. I'm not digging it up again. I don't think it's senseless. it's something one should have in proving something. like what you are doing to Georger now. what is the thumb print going to show? I remember you stating this a while ago. also T-5 isn't just jumpers. I feel warm and cozy when I see documents. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI