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"I can't contact Gray. he didn't write your book, you did" this means I shouldn't have to contact Gray for what you wrote in your book, PDF, (media & FBI version) website, You Tube video's etc. I have spoken with Gray many times. what proof do you have Kenny made a $5000 loan. that is a lot of money, even today. Mark Bennett also wondered how another poor person could pay the loan back? you realize that's over $200 a month. (1972-74) the house. what proof do you have that Kenny paid $15,000. you have been claiming $16,500. Komo news says $14,000. where are all of these numbers coming from, Gray? have you spoken with Grimes? he is still around. in 2011 he put a lien on something. the story doesn't hold water. you claim Bernie was either an accomplice, or knew Kenny did it. why wouldn't Bernie give his sister the money? we now have two people spreading the ransom around. Bernie would probably have half if he was in on it with his best friend. none of them show any upgrade in life styles. the stamp/coin collection. what was it worth when he bought it. the value could have went up as they tend to do over the years. do you even have proof of the Airstream. those were expensive trailers. we had one for a while in the 70's. sold it and bought an Argosy. they looked the same, but were a cream color VS polished aluminum. (see photo) again, we have poor people purchasing a top of the line RV. the biggest problem you have is taking the word of what has been told, or what you have read. Gray is a good source, but not a perfect one. Facts are based on proper documentation backing up what someone says. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

These questions will undoubtably be answered over the next few months. I knew that after I released the report on Christiansen, someone, somewhere, at some point...was going to step forward and provide professional assistance. That is what is going on now. So I will leave it up to them. I still say that for now, you should try contacting Geoff Gray and get his opinion. No matter how you cut it, he was the first to claim some of these things on Christiansen. Most of my work has been with the people Christiansen knew, not his transactions, with the exception of the cash loan to Dawn Andrusko. I thought you had proof Kenny paid cash for his house? a couple months to find out? once again, you are a little late to be trying to figure this out now. So, you can't answer how Kenny was able to purchase real estate in 1961, but, managed to SAY Kenny paid cash for his house in 1972? I can't contact Gray. he didn't write your book, you did. this is your mess. why don't YOU contact Gray and clean this up? how do you say it. I'm not doing everyone's homework! The True Story Of DB Cooper ya say....Hmmmm "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert says: I don't mind laying everything on the line regarding Christiansen. when asked to produce evidence, he says this: "I'm going to direct you to Geoff Gray for proof on how Kenny bought the Bonney Lake house for cash. He was the first to claim that as fact, also correct? So ask him how he found out. (*smiles*) And although I already know the answer, I'm not doing other peoples' homework anymore. It's a trust issue. It's a Cooperland thing." have you figured out the Satisfaction Of Mortgage yet? 18 years to pay it off? I believe Kenny was working for NWO in 1961 correct? how could he afford to buy real estate on probably less than $512 in 61? he was in poverty in 71 according to statements from you (*giggle*) you claim to know when Kenny paid the lots off, do you mind laying that out for me, proof wise? (Documents) Tom, Dick & Harry will not be enough proof. I can also play the 'trust issue" card in this matter. can you explain once again how the Rainier apartments were sleazy in 1971. they were built in the mid to late 60's. this is less than 3 miles from the LUXURIOUS homes in Bonney lake. hijacker specials? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

well, they changed the description on the grudge too. Cooper said he didn't have a grudge against that airline, he just had a grudge. what airline did Kenny work for? irrelevant he says? let's see, he constantly says Kenny paid cash ($16,500) for the house. made a loan for $5000 for a grand total of $21,500 which was way over the amount he makes in a year. wonder how many times he said this "irrelevant" comment? documentation seems to be "irrelevant" in this case. why not round it off to a cool $30,000 "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Brad Meltzer does have a charismatic manner of delivery. He builds on facts upon facts (maybe not facts) to where it's almost like candy to the ears. When he was on the Today Show he started on that path but was told that they didn't have much time. So the true delivery of Brad Meltzer wasn't displayed. I'm guessing that wasn't you on the GuideStone episode or was it? sorry Testxyz, that wasn't me. I didn't realize your post until last night. It was my last post of the evening that night. I wrote "this guy wasn't impressed with old Brad" and the posted his reply. I was too busy with Blevins and his Super Sleuth technique's. I'm not really saying Decoded is the worse show on television, but, it shouldn't be taken seriously in any event. it's good entertainment. I use to be in the Ghost world. I watched Ghost Hunters go right in the toilet with staged events. I use to analyze video for groups. Blevins makes such a big deal about his little PDF file of bad comments. get into the paranormal and watch the filth flow it's called the internet, it happens often on a lot of topics. when you run a series on television they expect ratings. the best way to get them is to have things beefed up for attention. if you don't have excitement in the show, the ratings go down. Hype it up, push the envelope to it's limit. it's all about $$$$$$$ "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, you don't have any right talking about what someone believes! what is the percentage of your little story that comes from believing what someone said? you poorly researched KC's finances. swore up and down about things you didn't even check. common sense, or dense? how many times have you left this form only to return within days, or hours? how can anyone believe anything you say? your personality seems to match your investigative skills (unstable) have you figured out how much Kenny paid for his little shack in the woods? do you know the history about the lot next to it? how about the property behind the safeway? is it still there, or not? you speak a lot about common sense. these are things you should have known prior to any book, or packages sent to the FBI. " I do recall encouraging others to research out the property records as I am doing now." day late and about $7500 short there don't ya think? "I'll permanently block your mail and refuse any other questions unless you are in the Circle of Trust. (*smiles*) " that was a joke right, circle of trust? speaking of trust. here is some more things about Brad Meltzer. Wlikipedia Brad Meltzer's Decoded, (or simply Decoded, is an American mystery and conspiracy theory investigation television series, produced by Go Go Luckey and Berman/Braun, that premiered December 2, 2010 on the History channel. PopMatters.com compares aspects of Decoded to Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura stating it has "some broadly questionable research and conclusions, all developed and pursued 'in the moment', to give Decoded that sort of you-are-there-for-this-grand-adventure feel. New York Times reviewer Ginia Bellfante, gave Decoded a negative review saying, "[there] are the languorous crackpots who wonder if codes are embedded in their Home Depot receipts, or if George Washington's wooden leg hid an alternate Constitution. It is for this group that the series Brad Meltzer's Decoded has been conceived" but says, "Decoded, though, at least returns the History channel to history. After appearing in the "Statue of Liberty" episode, guest author Mark Dice posted a detailed paper online titled "What Brad Meltzer's Decoded Missed About The REAL Meaning of the Statue of Liberty's Symbols and the Illuminati Secret Society", where he disputes some of the investigator's conclusions and how he was portrayed. "Doesn't sound like a conspiracy theorist to me." says Robert Blevins. you want me to believe you? shows such as Decoded are not to be taken seriously if you are a true Historian. they are designed for ratings. many of these shows are being accused of staging events, scripting people, adding effect to make the show interesting enough to watch. they are designed for entertainment value only. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

you got nothing straight. I clearly wrote at the top of the post. "this guy wasn't impressed with old Brad" maybe I'll post later, maybe I won't. I think you need to look more into Kenny's finances rather than worrying about website links. do you know what Satisfaction of mortgage means, or when it will be placed into County records? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I'll show that when you show proof Kenny put cash on the table "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Well, okay. You do realize you posted this unidentified person's quote as your own experience, right? Next time source the quote please. don't think so....the first part of the post reads "this guy wasn't impressed with old Brad" perhaps you need glasses? don't forget to look at the attachment "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

no I'm not the guy you are talking about. I found that link on the web...period. didn't watch that program. don't know who the guy is. Novels and television are two different things....... many shows are done professionally...doesn't mean they are right in what they do... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

First of all Robert, you were on the show a short period of time. it's doubtful you were part of the production of the show. am I correct! I have seen a heard many shows doing the samething this guy claims. these shows are built for entertainment. it doesn't mean everyone has scripts to follow. the last I recalled you were not at the house during the filming. where is your proof of any of this you speak of? more he said? you were on the show once and can vouch for the entire production of Decoded? "my experience was different." so nobody else could have a different experience? I failed to notice your name on the credits of the show, Producer, writer, etc. I'm sure it was an experience. I've been on local television several times, along with radio programs. you don't always know there true intentions or how the actual program will come out sometimes until it pops on the tube. the subject had been brought up, I simple started looking into the show itself. I seen the one we are talking about and posted it. lots of people are calling Brad a conspiracy theorist. look it up. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

this guy wasn't impressed with old Brad I have just finished watching the season finale of Brad Meltzer’s Decoded where I appeared briefly at the start of the program. My only motivation to agree to the interview was to discuss the linkage that I discovered between the Georgia Guidestones and the Burj Khalifa. I want to make it clear that I am not an expert on the occult, much less Rosicrucianism. I have a degree in physics and I am a qualified computer benchmarking expert. I find the occult to be painful to study because it is illogical, irrational and offensive to a scientific mind, and this doesn’t even approach the many morally disturbing aspects of that topic. The only reason I discuss occult subjects on this website is because of the obvious occult foundation of the Georgia Guidestones and the unsettling implications that follow logically from the monument’s links to the Burj Khalifa. Basically, that evidence proves that a deranged and demented group of cultists wields almost unbelievable wealth and power. I am disappointed that the History Channel would focus on fanciful, irrational conjecture and fear mongering while completely discarding rational and objective discussion. However, I am not completely surprised, because they fed me the lines on the Rosicrucians and pressured me many times to stick to their script. And out of the hours of interviews with the show’s producers and investigators, the program ultimately focused upon the scripted strawman quotes. I’m just an ordinary man who happened to write an article on the Georgia Guidestones and stumbled upon the singularly remarkable links between the Georgia Guidestones and the Burj Khalifa. I am not a major media personality. I am not independently wealthy. For the most part, I stick to running my business and I don’t write much anymore, even on computer topics, for which I am best known. It is remarkable to me that the History Channel would produce an entire episode in an attempt to discredit an ordinary guy, because they clearly scripted me to play the roll of the foil, the adversary that the rest of the program then tore down. Apparently, I made someone somewhere mad with my Georgia Guidestones research (Ted Turner perhaps?). But they really didn’t do it very well. While they tried to make me look crazy, they countered the crazy guy with much crazier rebuttals and outrageous fear mongering. Sadly, this season of Decoded was embarrassingly poor on all levels. That they selected the Guidestones episode for the season finale just demonstrates how bad all of the other nine episodes were. It has been an interesting experience and it will make me watch the History Channel much more skeptically. If my experience is representative — and there exists other accounts similar to mine — then the stories they tell are manufactured and manipulative with a wholesale disregard for truth and objectivity. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

well said Mark. I told Robert showing proof of Kenny's military background would help him. took pages to get anything from him. if someone did that to him.....source please.....dodging comes into play. (*yawn*) the bottom line is showing the documents to prove the case. it's very simple. makes one feel warm and fuzzy inside when you don't show proper documentation. red flags appear. watch the video on this site. several problems come up that I see. http://www.komonews.com/news/local/10785611.html?tab=video&c=y "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

First, name one person on this thread besides me who has "already released SO much on a single suspect. Pictures, DD214 info, a death certificate, the names of actual witnesses, testimony on two TV shows you can view at YouTube, a comprehensive report submitted to the Seattle FBI, even a video where I explain the evidence in detail. I even did a video on the Ariel thing, for crying out loud. Besides, I already told you what the other property document was, anyway. It's an equity loan document showing the Grimes' borrowed $7,500 against the house in June of 1972." that's all fine and dandy Robert. the problem is proof of the documents stating certain things. people like to see real documents. the amount of research is also irrelevant. what is correct is. you seem to want applause for your comment above. why won't you back up what you are so proud of? If Gray ends up giving bad information, we will find this out with the proper documents. I don't blame him for not posting here. we keep getting into Gray for some reason. sounds like a Grey area to me Gray doesn't have several PDF's, You Tube video's, websites etc. plastering KC all over the place. that would be you. Gray isn't crying about the FBI not checking him out. that would be you again. If you don't have the complete picture of what happened with the house. how do you claim so many things? he said she said again? Kenny made the choice to stay. nobody held a gun to his head. 20 some years is a long time to piss and moan about the same job. I said it before. he could of easily went with another airline if it was that bad. Kenny's pay. underpaid or not, he still fits in the average. when things are tough, you work through them. again, Kenny made his bed. I just don't think you have as much of Kenny's true background as you have stated. the loan doesn't jive for several reasons. if Bernie was an accomplice. why didn't he give his sister money? did you check Bernie's finances? personally, I think you played right into there hands. just my opinion though..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

he was on one of our radio shows Friday morning. nice to see ya XYZ....... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, you sound like a spoiled brat! you don't trust anyone on here? who cares. that's no reason to start pitching a fit and not disclosing things you should be. what do you think your trust meter runs at about now? I don't understand why you are even on here. I think I'll just call and get the records and put an end to it. I told you several days ago that someone would get to the bottom of this. you can play the "I'll release WHAT I want, WHEN I want" all day long, I could care less. I'll get the records. you really don't think you actually hold the cards to this do you (*wink*) (*smiles*) (*shock*) as others explained to you. I went by the National standards. call it whatever you wish, but Kenny doesn't fall under any "Poverty" guidelines with his NWA pay scale. when you are that unhappy about your job & pay you don't stay there year after year. did you even bother to check what the other airlines were paying during that time period? would I be out of line if I acted like someone on the form by saying "source please, or dodging the question? ring a bell on your trust meter sir? as for the $3.20 wage thingy. this can't be that far off Robert according to the charts for that time period. you can laugh about it it, but it doesn't change the National average. I worked for Pizza Hut back in 1980. took 4 years to make $5 an hour. I can't remember what I started at. minimum wage was $3.10 for 1980. I remember a lot of my old jobs didn't have high pay raises like today. are you trying to say other airlines paid double or triple what NWA paid? if so Kenny was a fool for staying soooooo many years before and after the crime. different jobs pay different wages Robert. manual labor is a different story vs being a purser. Armored Car Guard & Driver Hourly Rate is $9.83. Shutter builds anything that is steel or aluminum. starting pay is $15.00 an hour in my industry. your point? do I believe KC is Cooper, not a chance in hell based on your evidence. perhaps Paul might have something, but we are still waiting on that. whatever my opinion is doesn't free you up from disclosing documents of proof. that is your job and more reason to put trust in what you say if want anyone to trust you! it's not about shutter, or Georger, or anyone else. just lonesome old Robert M Blevins backing up what he says! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo asked if SS deduction was mandatory in 71 with your employer. If you had an employer who didnt ask and wasn;t deducting, then you were in trouble. (The employer was also potentially in trouble with the IRS. I know several who were closed down and ruined by the fines alone...) Otherwise it was basically up to the employer and the employee what deductions were made. You were given a form and filled it out declaring number of deductions. Most wrote down one. But you also had the option, if the employer allowed it, of saying "no (zero) deductions" which meant your taxes weren't paid at the end of the year and you had to declare your income and pay any tax owed ... some who chose zero deductions then found themselves behind the eight ball owing the IRS and the IRS persued such people. But generally most employers just filled out the form for you and wrote down "1" deduction... Is that how you remember it? the only way is if they put you on a 1099. I have to do this because I have my own business. nobody will pay me unless I have a corporation. I think Jo is familiar with the old 1099. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Lets see....Kc was making $512 a month. The National Average Wage Index in 1971 was $6497.08 (Social Security website) Kenny pulled in $6144.00...poorly paid? The Federal Minimum Wage Rate in 1971 was $1.60 Kenny was at about $3.20 Home Sales Average price was $24,300 Kenny paid $14,000 Gas was about 36-40 cents a gallon Milk was $1.18 Dozen eggs .53 cents Kenny sat on his property and records show it was worth it. how does anyone know if he borrowed off this at any given time? I still don't see anything but a bunch of he said she said Mumbo Jumbo "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Off topic, but has anyone else been receiving spam through their private message inbox here on DZ? I just received the following PM:" I got 3 of them today..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Also, if he was aware that Kenny did it, and was with Kenny at the time, why would he admit on TV that Kenny could be the hijacker? He would be incriminating himself. Now, I know the answer to this will be that he didn't know that witnesses had put him and Kenny together on that weekend. My answer to that is this: He probably don't care about the DB Cooper case. As a result, he probably has absolutely no recollection of where he was or who he was with over 40 years ago on that weekend. If he did, when asked about Kenny being the hijacker, he would have said "no way, I was with Kenny on that weekend". He says Kenny could be the hijacker, not realizing he an eye witness that KC was not Dan Cooper. Just my 2 cents. "Also, if he was aware that Kenny did it, and was with Kenny at the time, why would he admit on TV that Kenny could be the hijacker? He would be incriminating himself." Doesn't really matter, he would not be charged with anything. they want the guy who jump out of the plane. Decoded even told him he was clear from prosecution. I'll bet money they would all sing a different tune if it got serious enough. Personally, I think Lyle is behind the whole thing. surely he has seen the story many times over. his own brother worked for the same airline. decades later he see's a show? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Today: Maybe there is doubt on this" I thought you had documentation validating the home was purchased for cash? with speculation and hearsay, how can you title a book "The True Story Of DB Cooper" "That was Geoffrey Gray back in 2007" "I have questioned him on it, but not for a long time. He says YES." nice quick attempt to cover on yourself. (*fall back into chair looking up*) never take the word of anything without checking on the information provided by someone. you should have an answer from the real estate dude within minutes. is this another long dragged out course in the making? Jo would tell you exactly what the documents states. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

more confusion..... Blevins seems to believe that Geestman was either an accomplice or knew about the crime. why would he need to borrow $5,000?? one would think Bernie would have Kenny in a stranglehold. If he was part of the crime, he should be loaded. If he was aware Kenny did it, one would think Geestman wouldn't have to ask for a loan. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I said I wasn't a real estate expert. I didn't say I couldn't read...

"I have just received the paperwork on the sale of Kenny's house. An AB staff member actually came to my door at midnight and gave it to me. Find, fine, whatever. Have a safe trip home." why didn't the document come directly to your home. is this from Skip or Gray? what about the document you already have, does it match? "Whatever it is, it isn't usual for a house sale" "I am not a real-estate expert by any means" If you don't know anything about real estate, how can you determine it's unusual?? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI