jaybird18c

By who's standard?

Who's good? This is not Presbyterian specific. The bible says that only God is good. If only God is good, then you and I need a Savior. Otherwise, we will be held accountable for what we've done. If anyone is in heaven right now, it is because they repented and placed their trust in Jesus Christ.

You just hit the nail on the head.

One doesn't go to hell because they fail to follow the particular tenets of some denomination/religion or even if they've never heard of Jesus. If they go to hell, it's because they've not kept God as their top priority, worshipped other gods or lack thereof, taken God's name in vain, lied, stolen, lusted, coveted, dishonored parents, etc.

Presbyterian Church in America (PCA)

That is correct. They adopt teachings outside of the essential teachings of Christianity which puts them into the category of a non-Christian cult. What about catholics? Depends... Those Roman Catholics who place their faith in Jesus Christ alone for their salvation (just like anyone else) will be saved.

I am perfect in my relationship with the universe . So are you! And you would have been whether or not the Master, Jesus the Christ, ever incarnated. Peace, Jim B Yes...but would you consider yourself to be a good god?

James White has studied the false teachings of Harold Camping for a long time. Here is his website. It explains why Harold Camping falls outside of traditional Christianity. This is a debate with Harold Camping.

That is correct. They adopt teachings outside of the essential teachings of Christianity which puts them into the category of a non-Christian cult. But how do we know they aren't the real Christians, and you are the poser? Because if I interpret scripture in a particular way and say "because that's what the bible says" and my interpretation doesn't match up with 2000 years of historical Christian teaching on the subject, then I have cause for concern that my interpretation is incorrect (speaking of the essentials of the Christian faith, that is). If I'm denying, for instance, the divinity of Jesus Christ or the essence of the Trinity, then I am contrary to what nearly every other theologian in Christianity has determined over the course of history. A good source for determining the essentials with regard to salvation in Christianity can be found in a number of Creeds.

That is correct. They adopt teachings outside of the essential teachings of Christianity which puts them into the category of a non-Christian cult.

I think you will find that the majority of "christians" will NOT be going where they think they are going. Not sure about the "majority" but I agree with you otherwise. We don't know how many people God will save throughout the course of time. However, there are lots and lots who may be getting a surprise. Especially in "Americanized" Christianity. Ours has become very diluted by our culture. That's not to say that everyone isn't negatively affected by their culture to some regard. Everyone brings some baggage to the table when it comes to theology regardless of type/denomination. That said, many in America have forgotten that there's not only a "narrow gate" (Jesus Christ) but also a "narrow way." They claim the title of Christian but live as though God never gave them a law to follow. Often times, you can't "hear what they say because of what they do." Hypocricy on its greatest display...especially on Sunday morning. Not talking about works unto salvation...but evidence of regeneration. If God has changed you...He will make a difference in your life. It's impossible to have an encounter with God and not be changed. For the most part (here), we act as though we (Christians) haven't been changed...and the world is watching...

Nothing new brother... Joseph Smith (Mormonism/Church of Later Day Saints), Edward Miller (7th Day Adventists), Charles Taze Russell (Jehovah's Witnesses), Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science)... The Christian church will continue on....even after tomorrow. Harold Camping and Family Life Radio may not...but we'll see. He'll have to come up with a new prophesy, though.

Just because I say I'm a skydiver, does that make me a skydiver? Deuteronomy 18:22 - "When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him." (NASB, emphasis added) The 7th Day Adventists were born out of this kind of mess (e.g. 19th Century Millerism). Eisegetical (inserting meaning into the text) versus exegetical (deriving meaning from the text) interpretation. Numerological, "hidden" meaning junk... Application of this aberrant methodology/theology to eschatological (end times) teaching resulting in heretical cultish organizations. Outside of orthodox Christian teaching.

Please DO NOT include all evangelical Christians in the same category as Harold Camping. Dangerous Airwaves: Harold Camping Refuted and Christ's Church Defended He's not the first (by a long shot)...and won't be the last. There's a definitive way of determining a false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:22)....we'll find that out tomorrow.

Psalm 82: God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods”: “How long will you defend the unjust and show partiality to the wicked? Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed. Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked. “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing. They walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken. “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.” Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance. What ? Are you attempting to bolster my point? I'm pretty sure you're not but if you read that Psalm I'm pretty sure it kinda agrees with what I've been sayin'. Oh one more thing.., This King David . The one who wrote most of the Psalms, how do you feel about that guy? Everything I've read pegs him as a bloodthirsty warmonger. I'm not saying that is the case , I just wondered about your opinion of the man generally credited with writing the Psalms you reference in defense of *your blend* of Christianity and your sanity. Peace, Jim B With regard to Psalm 82: God, Satan, and Angels - John MacArthur

You sure about that? The bible is replete with description of the good and the bad, the wheat and the tares, the good fruit and the bad fruit, fig trees among thorns/thistles, the elect and the non-elect...God loved Jacob but hated Esau...God's hatred of the Amalekites...great emphasis throughout the bible seems to be placed on the fact that there are plenty of people who claim to be Christian who are permitted to remain amongst the true believers until "the harvest"...judgment... It's in all the parables in the NT. Are we "all" God's people? Doesn't seem to be the case. Some of the Pharisees were even described as "sons of the devil" and not of God. God in essense...not in person. With God's divine power, the Son emptied himself...stepped down from his throne...became flesh...became "fully" human...took on a new role....experienced "everything" as we would in order to fulfil the law (which we could not)...and pay the penalty for "our" injustice so that we might be set free. So...even though "from our perspective" his suffering wasn't for very long...from God's perspective....it was an eternity...it was an infinite punishment for an infinite crime. He cried tears of blood in the Garden of Gethsemanie. Those weren't because he was afraid of Roman nails or torture. It was because he knew what was in the "cup" he had to drink on our behalf. It was because he knew the payment which had to be made. Because he was fully human...he cried out to the father to take the burden from him because he thought it was too great. However, he did the will of the Father despite this and freely offered himself as the propitiation.

Jim, would you consider yourself to be a good god?

I aim to please. You're welcome!

Dude, are you Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormon)?

Crossfit: Infidel

Wow! Where's the tolerance in that? you can tolerate religious zealots and yet still be happy to see them gone. Come on. You'd be bored to death if you didn't have us to argue with.

Well, that's not the God of the bible. If God hated all those people, he wouldn't have died for them.

What is? The rapture?

Mohammed can have an O'Doul's.

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