jaybird18c

I agree with the quote that man will believe absolutely anything as long as it's not in the Bible. Any...and I mean any answer will suffice as long as it means man doesn't have to admit wrong and submit to God's authority. Could be the craziest theory imaginable. Doesn't matter. They'll cling to it like a life raft.

winsor

Opinions...everybody's got one. However, I have an answer for the existence of everything and you don't. You have to believe that everything just popped out of nothing and became organized on its own. That sounds like suspension of rational thought to me. I say you're sitting on the objective evidence. You have no answer so you just continue to criticize the source.

It changes EVERYTHING Billvon. Aside from the fact that the theory you just described doesn't line up with the events recorded in scripture, theologically, it would be tragic. It would mean that no one past, present, or future could have a right standing before God. Jesus did not come in the flesh to show us a better way to live (although, his examples do in fact help us). He came in order to live a perfect sinless life (which is impossible for us) and to stand in our "law place" suffering the just penalty for "our" transgressions. THAT is the point. If Jesus didn't die and if he wasn't raised from the dead, then none of us should place our faith in it. Christianity stands or falls on the resurrection. It is the biggest dilemma in Christianity. If God is just (which he is), he cannot forgive you (because he is holy & perfect). "He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD. (Proverbs 17:15). We are living in rebellion against a thrice holy God. Our solution to this problem could only be provided by God himself. Only Jesus Christ could stand in our place because ONLY he is worthy. The dilemma is settled by him and explained very well in Romans 3:23-26 which states "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus." If Jesus didn't die, then God is a liar (which is impossible) and cannot be BOTH just and the justifier of wicked men (and women). Added: All of this would not upset anyone if Jesus had only said He was "a way" and not "The Way." Nobody gets this upset over Buddha, Vishnu, Baal, the FSM, Muhammad, Fred the pagan god, worshiping cows, trees, or wales....pick your idol... Non-Christians/unbelievers applaud someone's "search for truth" but those same people are almost willing to crucify anyone arrogant enough to say they've found it. Strange how Jesus said there would be this kind of contention.

I fully understand how this all would not make any sense to a "rational, thinking, adult" atheist/humanist. However, it makes perfect sense to a "rational, thinking, adult" Christian.

Okay...I think your attempt at character assasination is silly, but, that aside, what about the Westminster Confession of Faith...which is where that quote actually originated? Or, what Wayne Grudem (another great theologian) had to say about it? ***The sufficiency of scripture means that scripture contained all the words of God he intended his people to have at each stage of redemptive history, and that it now contains all the words of God we need for salvation, for trusting him perfectly, and for obeying him perfectly." (Grudem's Systematic Theology, pg. 127) What I'm getting at is that there is wide agreement in what they're saying with regard to historical Christianity as opposed to the crap you and your references are putting out. Added: Dr. Wayne A. Grudem (born 1948) is a Protestant theologian and author. Grudem holds a BA from Harvard University, a Master of Divinity from Westminster Theological Seminary, and a PhD from the University of Cambridge. In 2001, Grudem became Research Professor of Theology and Biblical Studies at Phoenix Seminary. Prior to that, he had taught for 20 years at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, where he was chairman of the department of Biblical and Systematic Theology.[1] Grudem served on the committee overseeing the English Standard Version translation of the Bible, and from 2005 to 2008 he served as General Editor for the 2.1 million-word ESV Study Bible (which was named "2009 Christian Book of the Year" by the Evangelical Christian Publishers Association). In 1999 he was the president of the Evangelical Theological Society.[1] He is a co-founder and past president of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood.[1] He is the author of, among other books, Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine, which advocates a Calvinistic soteriology, the verbal plenary inspiration and inerrancy of the Bible, the body-soul dichotomy in the nature of man, and the complementarian view of gender relationships. Grudem also edited (with John Piper) Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (which was named “Book of the Year” by Christianity Today in 1992). Zondervan released his new book, Politics According to the Bible on September 23, 2010.[2] Added: By the way, I think he's got higher than a 3rd grade education also.

Dr. John MacArthur is right on! One can disagree with what the bible says about these things but it is in fact what the bible says about these things. Added: And he and I both ultimately trust God's word (which does not change) over man's fallible methods/theories (which change all the time). I'm not saying that these psycological studies/research aren't valuable. Much of it is. However, it's all about what your foundation is. The Bible’s Sufficiency The whole counsel of God, concerning al things necessary for His own glory, man’s salvation, faith, and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men. Nevertheless, we acknowledge the inward illumination of the Spirit of God to be necessary for the saving understanding of such things as are revealed in the word [already implied in I/v]; and that there are some circumstances concerning the worship of God, and government of the church, common to human actions and societies, which are to be ordered by the light of nature and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the word, which are always to be observed. (WCF, I/vi, emphasis added) “It is the spirit of God, working immediately and directly by and with the Word of God in the hearts of men, who imparts spiritual life!” – A New Systematic Theology of the Christian Faith by Dr. Robert L. Reymond (another one of the best theologians of our time) Biography of Dr. Robert L. Reymond Robert L. Reymond is a Christian theologian of the Protestant Reformed tradition. He is best known for his New Systematic Theology of the Christian Faith (1998). Reymond holds B.A., M.A., and Ph.D. degrees from Bob Jones University and has taught at Covenant Theological Seminary in St. Louis, Missouri and at Knox Theological Seminary in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. After resigning from Knox in January 2008, he accepted a call as regular pulpit supply of Holy Trinity Presbyterian Church, a new congregation in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. Reymond has written a book on Paul entitled Paul Missionary Theologian (2003) and another about Jesus called Jesus Divine Messiah (2003). Other books include a short biography called John Calvin: His Life and Influence (2004) and Contending for the Faith: Lines in the Sand That Strengthen the Church (2005), The God-Centered Preacher, The Reformation's Conflict with Rome: Why It Must Continue, What is God, and The Lamb of God.

Very mature.

God's High Calling for Women, Part 2 1 Timothy 2:10-11

I quoted Dr. John MacArthur. He is one of the best theologians of our time. I think he's above a third grade level on this topic. I happen to agree with him and the early Church Father testimonies. Your attack doesn't surprise anyone and it certainly doesn't line up with the overwhelming belief and testimomy of church history.

You post a whole lot of non-theological congecture based on nothing but your opinion speckled with hints of truth (very cultish).

"“The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?" (Jeremiah 17:9)

I completely agree with you on this one with regard to historicity Southern_Man.

No......really.

You're my hero Kallend.

No, I am guiding them to their position on the matter. I'm wondering if you lock the doors to your house at night. If so, why? Would it be to keep those out who might do your family harm? In that way, aren't you "closed" to the idea of others imposing their wills on you? You want to "keep the bad stuff out?" Now in the realm of ideas, you may expose your children to differing beliefs but do you not instruct them as to what you believe to be true? Do you try and shelter them from what you know might do them harm? Do you not raise them up in the direction you'd have them go? Of course, they may go a little to the left or right but do you not give them your idea of a foundation...a cardinal direction to follow? Or...is it just a "free for all", figure it out as you go along, don't learn from your mistakes, let them suffer through what could have been prevented? That doesn't sound very loving. To teach your kids what you believe is right is in fact a form of indoctrination, I guess. I'll give you that. I hope my kids hold to the foundation that I've tried to provide them. I hope it will carry them through life and give them something to hold onto. Principals to live by which are more important than money, wealth, or power. Character building principals which will help them to mature and live for something bigger than themselves....and for someone who will never let them down...regardless of circumstances. God.

Context is everything...and a proper understanding of Godly submission. Do Women Have to Remain Silent in Church?

So I guess she keeps silent at church as Paul says in 1 cor 14:34? Does she ask questione only at home? If she does ask questions at church then it would cause you great shame and you both would also be disobedient to God, and we know you don't want that. No offense, but your theology and understanding of this is juvenile.

Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth by Dr. Andrew Snelling

My wife is a doctor. She also holds the same theological views I do.

I don't deny my presupposition...but I can't seem to get you guys to admit yours. How did Fox News get in this conversation?? Next thing you know...we'll be saying it's all Bush's fault. Wow!

Oh but that is only for that particular group of Christians, who are not really the same as orthodox Christians (Jaybirds words). "We're the People's Popular Front of Judea." If you're going to quote me, do it appropriately and include the context. Otherwise, I'd prefer you didn't attribute my name to your B.S.

I don't have any idea what the assumption of millions of years has to do with oil companies and their task. Here is a critical assumption: "His theory was a radical uniformitarianism in which he insisted that only present-day processes of geological change at present-day rates of intensity and magnitude should be used to interpret the rock record of past geological activity. In other words, geological processes of change have been uniform throughout earth history. No continental or global catastrophic floods have ever occurred, insisted Lyell." Where Did the Idea of “Millions of Years” Come From?

An unbiased appraisal of the evidence could lead one in the direction of a global flood without the use of the bible. You just seem closed to examining all possibilities. You've drank the purple coolade served by your liberal professors in college...who also drank the purple coolade long ago. Have you seen the movie by Ben Stein called "Expelled?" He's not a Christian, obviously, and it shows the incredible bias in the scientific community in this regard. It seems to have moved from real science (observable/testable/falsifiable) to dogmatic belief in speculative/historical observation. Gathering "evidence" to fit your presuppositions. Didn't used to be that way.