JamieCooper

right down the road from where my father was born and grew up. I guess thats fitting.

No worries. I already found it for them. See picture... these guys are able do nuclear and mitochondrial testing too. which might also help, i have the envelope that card and check from my father came in yet. maybe that can produce a match? that looks alot like the case I remember. cept this one didn't have that sticker on it, and looked more beat up.

the current owner is a local politician so he'll most likily cooperate if these guys are asking, not local police

police are coming to my home tomorrow to discuss the case and help get permission to locate and recover the briefcase. will update as applicable.

[skyjack71] said in part: whats your source on these reports?

almost sounds like Caretakeral's story

Because if they find the rig, and there is no body in it, then they would know he was still alive. You HAVE to hide the parachute. You can't dump it in the water for the same reason. No body attached. It wasn't 'sloppy with the money,' it was smart thinking, I mean...if he tossed it. Look at what the FBI says now: Since the Tena Bar find, they now say they think Cooper died in the jump, although the case is still open. So in a way, it worked for him, although it would have worked better had they found dozens of bills floating down the river right after the hijacking. Within a year or two, the FBI would have started saying they think he died. No chute, just some bills in the river. He's dead. Who knows? Maybe they wouldn't have ended up going to that Federal judge and getting the John Doe warrant in 1976, if they thought back then he was dead. They only did that because they thought he was still alive. Until the Tena Bar find, that is. It makes perfect sense that Cooper would try this one. It's just too bad he wasn't smarter about HOW he tossed the money. Loose bills, maybe a bundle still with the band on it, that would have been pretty convincing. But you can't let them find the chute. No way. I wonder where they went? Those are a lot bigger than the money, yet not a trace has ever been found, well, unless you think the Amboy chute was his. And if it is, you would need a LIVE person to bury it. I'm not convinced either way on the Amboy chute. it doesn't make sense that he would go on the plane without a chute to begin with. could he have paid or talked someone else into bringing one onboard? could he have fit the chute alone into for example the paperbag and then cannibalized one of the other rigs to use it? I think it went down just as my father said. went to a bar, made friends and got a ride. drunks will overlook a hell of alot of things, especially from a guy buying rounds. my mother always said he bribed people. he screwed over insurance companies in other ways too. he wouldn't have felt a bit guilty for this one. in fact a whole lot of people would willingly help him get away with it, especially for a cut right before xmas. if the Tena Bar money wasn't planted, it's a pretty major stretch that involves suspending reality for it to get there on it's own.

he might toss some money to throw cops off but seems odd unless they were on his trail and he knew it. then you would think he would scatter it in multiple directions rather than in the same spot. either way tossing some money to throw off police that don't know who or where you are, is just plain sloppy and stupid. DB Cooper successfully hid the rig, and everything else from his caper why be so sloppy with the money? there was no way of knowing the Tena Bar money would be found. it's more likely that it wouldn't have been found at all. live crooks don't toss perfectly good money. just as junkies don't flush perfectly good dope away unless they think police are going to find it. DB Cooper was a cool headed, resourceful, daring, sociable, tipper, who wanted others to be comfortable and happy, not a scatterbrained frantic moron. now if you were approached by a guy offering 3 to $6k in 1971 shortly before xmas, just for a ride, or change of clothes and silence? you might take the money. especially if he told you he just screwed over an insurance company, thus sticking it to the man. later you find out they are all marked and you are now an accessory to a major crime. that could land you in prison for the rest of your life. it might even occur to you that you could be a patsy. you might try to dispose of those prison tickets in a way closely resembling the Tena Bar money. what percentage of the ransom would the Tena Bar find be? could he have been attempting to tithe?

I wish I agreed Jamie, I really do. I want Cooper to have made it, but live crooks do not throw money away. Sure, there are plausible explanations that have a live Cooper and money on Tena Bar, but the simplest explantion is that Cooper died and the money ended up there by means of river and/or dredge transport. 377 well the problem here is we are debating opinions not facts. in my opinion based on fact, thieves and other criminals frequently throw away incriminating evidence. as soon as it was announced that all the serial numbers were recorded that money lost it's value for anyone who might have accepted it as a bribe. you got to take into account the nature of the area to begin with. the vast majority is land, not water, so most likely he would have landed on land. even if he had landed in water, most people will at least attempt to live and swim. while there it a largely wooded area it's not endless. literally thousands if not millions of people were looking for DB Cooper. proving the competence of the search teams, 2 bodies were found in the woods, neither of them DB Cooper. the only chute found in the area, was buried for some reason? and no sign of a body again. we can debate the chute all we want, doesn't matter who left it, only that all these three things were found but nothing from DB Cooper other than that money 9 years after the fact. the area it was found might have been handpicked because it would be impossible to connect it to whomever put it there. because its used to dump dredging material. the probability of it finding its way there on its own? not likely, by definition it came to the area by human intervention, possibly many humans interventions. could have been a bribe? and as police seemed to be closing in, or knowledge that banks were searching for the serial numbers became known, they dumped the bills that then became potential tickets to life in prison. this idea that other people have drowned and bodies lost forever? whos to say thats what happened to them either? could have just as easily been kidnapped or murdered, devoured by animals, or any number of things. simply last being seen near the river and then not again doesn't prove anything more than that.

I want Snowmman to do everyones' searches for them. That's essentially what he did here, dug deeper on what we searched for and richly supplemented it... in addition to performing his own original research. One reason I don't want to listen to Occam about Cooper's drowning is that I don't want anyone to have come to that gruesome end after pulling off such an amazing caper. Can you imagine the agony? You actually get the cash, you make a successful exit, are floating down under a good canopy with all the money still attached to you and then splash... shocking cold, complete disorientation and a quick realization that after beating all those odds, your luck has run out and you will be dead in a few minutes. So I ignore Occam and continue to look for less probable but more emotionally palatable explanations for how stacks of hot twenties ended up on Tena Bar. 377 Occam's razor doesn't suggest he drowned. when you take into consideration the land mass versus water, the appearance of the money at Tena Bar so long after the caper, and the existence of an lively regional folklore that suggests the opposite. Occam is saying he made it.

I don't have access to police files, nor the authority to go into someone elses house and demand they let me look for a briefcase. so in your logic, sure i'm a lazy and expect others to do my searches. but in reality, it's just a result of the laws and regulations of this country. unlike in your case where you don't actually moderate and blatantly ignore constant and obvious site rules violations. and support a theory without any evidence to support it, ie your pet he hung in a tree then fell into a river and money whisked itself along until it arrived at Tena Bar. not impossible but completely based in fantasy and laziness.

Here's a freebie search for anyone interested: Satire is a literary technique that attacks foolishness by making fun of it. Most good satires work through a "fiction" that is clearly transparent.... www.pearsoned.ca/text/flachmann4/gloss_iframe.html wow now you've really added to the knowledge base and potential solution to the DB Cooper case haven't you. thats what we need, satire and personal attacks against people with valid questions.

I'm not selling satire, I'm giving it away. oh I get it, trolling! I think Georger answered the question best: "After Ckret's post a science panel was formed that did more research, doing some lab analysis of the money, interviewing lots of people including retired agents, people who worked at the excavation site, doing research with the USGS and people who worked with Palmer, etc etc. That, in a nutshell, is how Ckret's post has developed ... to date."

You are kidding, right? In the event that you are serious, my professional consulting services are available: I'll gladly do custom searches for you at my normal, on-line consulting rate of $100/hr. Or, you could go here until you come to your senses: Disney.com I was under the impression that the rules prohibit advertising here.

I'd like to at least get access to the damn briefcase, which itself may be evidence. what is the deal here anyway? I have to get a $20 out of a briefcase that may or may not still be where I last saw it, or not be taken seriously, while none else have any proof to back up their claims? this is said including those who claim he died in the jump. not a damn one of you have produced any $20's or any other evidence. so far the FBI are the only ones who have. alot of plausible theories out there, just no solid evidence. $20's found on a shore do not equate a man dying in a river, or forest, or surviving for that matter either. all it means is some norjack ransom $20's wound up on that shore.

Detour down memory lane - Miss Beazley. was Buffy's doll on Family Affair, a late sixties sitcom. I imagine they sold the doll so all little girls could be just like Buffy. Sad child star outcome that was if I recall correctly. End of detour. it would be interesting to find out what time of the day family affair" aired on tv in the Ariel area, in November of 1971. I'm wondering if what I'm remembering about the farm is TV, and if we would have been there to see what else was on?

"specialists" aren't always right. for example. I remember moving into the home I grew up in in 1973. and because I turned 3 that year, "specialists" won't debate it. however I also remember living other places before that, and remember people I knew in various other cities before 1973, and have never seen or heard from again. my earliest memory of being in the car listening to "Delta Dawn" have a pinkish/Orangish hue. and while some are sure these memories couldn't have occurred in the time frame Im saying. I have discussed them with medical professionals over my lifetime. shrinks and MD's. the hazy hue isn't from the memory being fragmented, but it is that as well. it's because my eyes weren't done developing yet. in fact most if not all children at that age see the world with this same hue I remember seeing until their eyes finish developing. at least thats what Dr's have told me. I didn't answer the question about which version of the song I heard because, first of all the question was designed specifically with the purpose to mislead, deliberately omitting the original 1971 version from the question. and the 2nd reason is because I'm not sure which version it was. it wasn't a woman singer and I haven't been able to find a version that matches the one I heard perfectly yet. this could be in part because my mother was singing with the radio? I'm not sure? another factor is how memories are encoded and stored. we don't store perfect images as much as we tend to think. we store emotions, how it felt, sounds, and partial images. so here is most of this early age memory, omitting some of which was previously posted out of laziness. my emotions = confused, fun, then confused but interested in the lights. how it felt = fun, confusing. sounds = Delta Dawn (part of why I remember then name is because my older sister is named Dawn, and my fathers name is Don, as is my real name), muffled other sounds I can't make out partial images = the lights at night, the sun, the roof of the car, leaves moving playfully, chrome speaker grill, chain link fence around a power station, a big waterfall, trees, a bridge made of large angle iron. a wooden bridge that we couldn't go over, a farm? or country home with 3 or 4 small buildings in a row, and a girl who lived there who had a doll named "miss beasley". ultamatly what is the relevance of anything about my early memories? this is a DB Cooper thread after all. we were waiting for My father to come, I don't actually remember him coming. I don't remember seeing him at all in the memory, I remember feeling as though the sun was my father, which may have some relevance but I don't actually remember him being there. going to pick him up had to be in 1971 because their relationship fell apart by 1972, and their divorce became final in 1972 as public records verify.

can a guy stream it online?

if by "stirred something up" you mean altering FBI sketches to support his DB Cooper theory, and then posting them all over the web, misleading and distorting the truth to millions of people. then yeah, you hit the nail right on the head.

I said I wouldn't "Feed the troll," but here is some troll food. "Delta Dawn" has been recorded by a number of C&W artists: Tanya Tucker (1972), Hellen Reddy (1973), Bob Luman, Loretta Lynn, the Statler Brothers, Waylon Jennings, Kitty Wells, Dottie West, Teresa Brewer and Scott Walker. So, which recording were you listening to? as was posted in the post you only partially quoted presented here in it's original form "according to Wikipedia, The first recording of "Delta Dawn" was made by the song's composer Alex Harvey for his eponymous album released in November 1971. I would have been a few months over a year old then. lol I couldn't have been less than a year old. I was born in 1970. coincidence that the song in the memory is from November of 1971? WTF?" now why would you doctor a quote you claim is of my words, and call me a "Troll"? truth requires no deception, why would you try to distort the truth like that?

that belief was based on my mother telling me she sold the car from my memory before I was a year old. as it turns out, and as I posted previously, that's not possible. the song I remember hearing on the radio in that car was "Delta Dawn" which coincidentally enough was first released in November of 1971, so obviously the memory I have is from that time or after making me at least a year old. the lyrics take on a new meaning when you consider who we were waiting in the car for. which raises more questions, did my mother tell me the wrong date on purpose? where was the power station I remember? it looks just like the one in Ariel Washington from the pics I've seen on the internet. I'm not aware of ever being in Washington so why do I remember seeing it as a small child? obviously my first thought is that it could have been a different one but I haven't been able to find any others that look like it on google earth. my mother claimed that what I was remembering was a trip to pick up my father and that the car I remember was sold before I was a year old? she sometimes claimed she knew he was DB Cooper the whole time then other times would deny it. either way, she sold the car and always talked about how much she didn't want to, was out of work and somehow managed to buy a house by the time I was 3. (1973) it never occurred to me to ask how she pulled that off on welfare. my father told me he went to a bar made friends and set up a ride from the bar. could He be talking about the bar in Ariel? it would seem folklore in the Ariel area suggests this is exactly what DB Cooper did. and is this why I remember this trip in the car? because it was a longer one than normal? I remember it being both day and night. but until I have the briefcase, one of the bills, fingerprints or some other physical evidence, its all just theory.

Find that briefcase and produce a Cooper $20 and I assure you the world will sit up and pay attention. Short of that, its just another story - right? I agree but don't ignore the vocks murder case file either. could be prints that match the ones from norjack there too. the last place I saw that briefcase was going into an attic right down the street from where i live right now. lol I see the house every day. many years now I've spent hoping to get a peek inside that damn attic. you have no idea how frustrating it is. every few years someone claims they solved the case, and I breathe a sigh of relief, then every time, it turns out it's BS. while I've sat here with the knowledge I've had since I could talk. if my parents were just making it up, they did a hell of a job doing so, and somehow managed to keep it within the perimeters of the available evidence better than they should have been able to. not to mention what a long term scam it wold be to keep it secret like they did for the most part even going to the point of having me use an assumed name, and ultimately with no payoff. as far as i know I'm the only person other than my mother who my father admitted it to, he didn't like it when people accused him of being DB Cooper, like some seem to think here. He denied it except for the one time to me.

No more than smoking raleighs, buying stuff beyond ones means, throwing bags in rivers, confessing, or any of the other myriad anecdotal tidbits that have been related on this forum over the years...But you have to admit it would be a pretty interesting turn of events.

this whole Gosset thing is asinine. have you seen the altered FBI sketches on the web, they've altered to look like Gossett? should almost be considered tampering with evidence.

even if Gossett sent these taunting letters, does that make him the skyjacker? not unless the prints match imo