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Hey! I did that last weekend! He's a great coach!

You put too many conditions on it for it to be a valid moral crossroads for you. For this question to be relevant to you, and it can't under the current conditions, would be for you to be highly trained, right now, and armed, right now, and some hooligan about to kill somebody in your presence where you could interrupt that reality, right now, with your weapon and skill. You would be employed in a job where you mostly tell people how to find the bathrooms, but are also trained in the use of semiautomatic weaponry. So? Save a life by taking one? Give that month's paycheck back? "Sorry hon, I couldn't pay the mortgage cause I killed a guy this month and refused my paycheck" You'll notice the soldiers who have killed aren't in this thread. If I had had to ever blast somebody open I wouldn't feel like repying to your simplistic arguments either. Gendarmes? I'm asking. They are the cops with the machine guns, like the special cops in Italy (Carabinieri?). They get paid to look really, really, cool. Great uniforms. Occasionally, OH SHIT!, they earn their money by blasting folks who don't follow the program. In the US, we have one kind of cop, the kind who wears armor and carries two pistols and has a carbine and a shotgun in the car. Most of the time he or she tells people where to get something good to eat, or where the bathroom is. Every now and again, they get mixed up in scary shit where people don't cooperate and they shoot them. In Europe (yeah, I've been there a few times) there are different cops for the shooting than the bathroom questions. Argh.

Gotta pick one to participate! No fair to abstain. My experience was that Heroin addicts lived the longest and had the most babies. Meth is usually the solution to people who think they have too many teeth. Pick one, cause you have to. I would choose booze, cause that's the easiest one to explain. Using a crack pipe around Father Vicente would get me in more trouble at my kids school.

It's HUGE! I mean, it's got it's own atmosphere!

Old one, but great. And she doesn't mind my posting it. EDIT: NSFW

MonoUno I pay my respects. AlanaBiotch, I will be doing this this weekend, about 20 times. But with some fat barfy guys, too. And maybe I'll sell a house. Buy House Now! Ask Me How!

Yeah, well after all those years living with that "wine merchant" as your flat-mate, I guess you got kinda snooty about wine. Where did you see gay bar in my post? All those people trying to blow you up are making you wierder. Here's another great shot of the GFD doing exceptional freeflying with the master freefly coach, ChopChop. Cheers, Wil. When you come and visit, we can go to some gay bars if you like, but those guys all pretty much dress better than either of us, and pluck and stuff. Not much fun.

Evan, we put like 200 pictures on the photo CD's we give the customers. Total overkill at the CD rate, We burn their video to DVD on a Philips DVDR 75, or whatever is next in that product line. They leave with a photo disc that they can use at the picture maker at Wal-Mart or wherever, and the DVD of their jump. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=282812&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation

This is what she looks like looking at you.

Bill, that is why the chicks dig you. Fovea.

Hardly. EVERYBODY who goes to Iraq and Afghanistan armed is likely to shoot some people. It's not a chance, it's almost a foregone conclusion. Every kid enlisting these days is likely to point a weapon at the enemy and pull the trigger, press the button, throw the switch or pull the lanyard. The chance to shoot somebody is almost guaranteed. Whether an 18 year old enlistee, or an 18 year special forces veteran doing contract security work. Truth is, armed encounters are tests that are challenging and fun to pass. Very much like skydives. Every skydive is a life or death test that is fun to pass. I was always able to point my pistol at somebody and command them to obey me, and convince them to submit and then disarm them (well, except for those kids who stole that car who ran when I racked a round into the shotgun. Poor kid, he actually pooped his pants and then the dog bit him. Very ignoble). Sometimes the bad guy wants to take it to the limit and his grade is dead when it's over. That's why cops call shooting "good" and "bad". Is it OK to shoot unarmed people? Sure! A good friend of mine attempted to stop a car that turned out stolen and then chased the driver into the Acorn housing projects just East of the Oakland Coliseum BART station. He commanded the guy to put his hands out where he could see them and the guy reached into his waistband. Pow! Pow! Now, the locals would all have testified in court that my buddy just tried to execute the guy for fun and KKK points. But he shot him through the hand and there was this neato through-and-through hole that matched in his underwear and his abdomen that his hand just happened to be in the middle of. End of story. Now, my buddy had target fixation, which happens a lot to moderately trained marksmen like most cops, and shot at the percieved threat (the hand in the waistband). If it had been me, (who has had a lot of supplemental handgun fighting training) I might have put 3 or 4 rounds through his eye socket and then been in the headlines as having shot an unarmed man who happened to have a bag of crack and several hundred dollars in his underwear. "Racist Cop Shoots Unarmed Father of Five" Turns out dude wanted to toss the crack before my buddy took him into custody. Bad choice, failing grade for shootee. Passing grade for shooter (with improvement needed on marksmanship) We were trained to shoot for the center of mass, or the eye sockets, or both. A+ for lucky shot placement. (Defense attorney) Why did you shoot this poor unarmed father of five?! (Tim) I attempted to pull him over for failing to stop at a stop sign, he turned his lights off and sped away, turns out the car was stolen. He crashed it into a parked car and his five buddies all took off and I followed him cause we try to arrest the driver, cause nobody cares about the other folks in the car. He ran into the projects and I told him to stop and show me his hands. He turned toward me and reached into the front of his pants. Fearing for my life and beleiving he was retrieving a weapon, I shot him and he fell to the ground and I called for medical assistance and more cops cause the folks in the projects get upset when we shoot them and manifest hostility towards the police in large groups and that scares me." (Defense attorney) Why didn't you wait to see what he pulled out of his waistband? (Tim) Because I had told him to keep his hands where I could see them, he obviously did not want to be taken into custody, and if he had pulled out a gun I would have lost what little advantage I had by having my gun already out. "I told him "show me your hands or I'll shoot you" and I did. (Defense Attorney) Why should we believe you when you say he was reaching into his pants? (Tim) Dude, he's sitting right there. See the round 9mm scar on his right hand that matches the one just below his belly button? It's from the bullet that was matched to my pistol that was removed from his lower intestine. (Defense attorney) It is still oppressive. This thread has lots of cross links to the shot 5 times in the head in London thread. We don't know all the facts quite yet about that one, but I think it's similar to my buddies "good" shooting. I don't know much about British law, but it's different in subtle ways regarding detention and search and siezure. Here, if there is reasonable cause to detain you, and it would be reasonable to detain you (not arrest, but detain) for leaving a home where a felony had been committed. If you ran, then the amount of force necessary to detain you is authorized and that ends up with people getting shot sometimes when they make bad choices. Here, you have the right to not talk to the police but you have no right to resist a lawful detention. YOU making the decision that the detention is unlawful and running is a bad choice, regardless of whether you are right or wrong. So they detain you for being at Mr. Bomb Maker's house, you refuse to make any statement, they identify you, you haven't broken any laws, and they let you go. Having Bomb Making friends will be inconvenient. The cops will want to talk to you a lot, and want to see your ID a lot, and will listen to your phone calls. Too much coffee. Blahblahblah.

Go to sleep or stop taking the local equivalent of crank. It's making you goofy.

Yep. Where to? Heck. I'd never even have to kill anybody. I got a slew of witnesses that despite my best efforts I could not get into a fight in a redneck bar in Florida. FLORIDA! And chickie-mama, I was TRYING. As deBar pointed out, I had my mean-bone completely exposed to no avail. Still fun, though. Effort that counts.

You are retarded and gay.

WHat specific shade of red? Clay, I'm thinking of you and red and the only shade of red I can think of is dog dick red. We all know the color, but nobody at Home Depot will mix it up for us and call it that. Specify. "I'm bringing you home to marital bliss red brick house red". If you leave it open, well, guys like me will screw it up.

Another reason why I can never meet the lovely penguin hating GFD.......I like all my body parts where they are. You know, that never occurred to me. She could well stalk and dismember with the same skill I have. Hmm... Was there ever a co-equal BatGirl? Some subordinate role would end up with my ears as necklaces in Chile somewhere. We'll have to kill somebody together to prove mutual loyalty. Freaky sounding, huh? Until you've heard the Masonic Third Degree. Wierder and wierderer, people.

Silly maggots. How many of you have told her of your infatuation while trespassing. Impressively trespassing. Falling in love happens. So long as you don't stalk and dismember your love interest, it's pretty much OK. Quote

One of my favorite pictures. Old School.

Bless you, Seb, there are so many less-flattering pictures of me out there. That's probably the skinniest I have ever been. Michele is still out there and contributes less often, but more, hmmmm, surgically? effectively? I loved the beginning. I fell so desperately in love those first DZ.boogies. I have so many really, deep, great friendships because of them. My last trip down to Perris I stayed in Lewmonst's house and AmyVon's house due to DZ.com. In London I stayed in Skreamer's house and I got a ride from somewhere in Sweden to somewhere else due to DZ.com and Swedish hospitality. I have met Willem and thanked him. He knows he always has a place to stay with me, and a decent world-class motorcycle to ride.

Bill, I've been inside a couple of US prisons, and all the jails in the Bay Area. It's pretty much impossible to torture somebody to death without getting caught and prosecuted. Soldiers and Marines make lousy cops, and that's why we need to get them out of there.

I let a fat lady puke on me and landed on top of her cause she passed out for $30. I think that makes me more of a prostitute than a whore.

I don't think you should kill anyone unless you are in danger of being killed. I'm missing a bunch of this cause I'm not through the whole thread, but every soldier in every army is at least being fed to kill the soldiers in the enemy army. I was paid by the government to be put in a position of deterrence to the enemy, and then to just wander around armed in order to keep the domestic peace. When I was a cop I would have killed without remorse those who threatened the lives and property of others, and not only had been paid, but been paid overtime and given a vacation. There will ALWAYS be people who need killing. There will always be specially trained, paid, people to do that killing. Darius, let's say you have to do some business here in San Francisco where you are either going to be carrying very sensitive corporate intellectual property or some other multi-million dollar property. You hire me to just hang out with you, armed, just in case (I'm a retired cop now, but they let us remain armed) A ruthless competetor attempts to rob you of the material at gunpoint and I kill him. Consequences of just letting the guy go is the collapse of your multinational corporation and zillions of seniors losing their pensions and eating cat food, etc. How about if we're just hanging out and somebody wants to whack you cause you look middle eastern and I end up killing him. You're not going to at least buy me dinner? Shit. I'd have to buy a case of beer for my first whack-job. PM me the other thread, please. JP Edit: This becomes less complex, but not clear, the first time somebody tries to really, honest-to-god kill you. When some dork got the second snap of my SSIII holster undone before I got my second gun screwed into his left eye once upon a time, I thought I was the great negotiator. Skipping lunch does not make people what it is like to be starving, but we say "I'm starving" let's get something to eat. I'm glad this thread didn't get deleted. Hell, Darius, the best conversations often come about because people don't understand each other at first and take the time to explain themselves. If I had the qualifications and wasn't so old, I'd be over there with Clay. Deterring people from attacking my clients, and killing them when they weren't deterred. It is very much like police work. Hooligans would tell me "you wouldn't be so tough without that gun and badge" and I'd reply "If it wasn't for this gun and badge I'd never be in this neighborhood" Anyhow. Would I do a hit for money? No. In the line of duty? Yes. Does protecting engineers fixing power plants in foreign countries from murder while employed as a security contractor count as in the line of duty? Yes.

Have her apply for this job ( I would have linked it, but it won't) COUNTY OF CONTRA COSTA Department of Human Resources 651 Pine Street, 2nd Floor, Martinez, CA 94553 (925) 335-1701 http://www.co.contra-costa.ca.us/depart/hr/default.htm INVITES APPLICATIONS FOR THE POSITION OF: FIRE PREVENTION SPECIALIST An Equal Opportunity Employer SALARY $2,361.58 - $2,870.51 /Month ISSUE DATE: 04/12/04 FINAL FILING DATE: Continuous. THE POSITION The Contra Costa County Fire Protection District is recruiting on a continuous basis for qualified individuals to work as Fire Prevention Specialists. Under the direction of the Fire Education Coordinator, appointees to these positions will perform a variety of fire prevention and public education duties on an intermittent (i.e., less than full-time) basis; work hours typically vary from 20 – 40 per week. Some of the duties performed are cyclical in nature and require incumbents to work longer hours from May through November and possibly fewer hours from December through April. Weekend, evening and holiday work is occasionally required. Fire Prevention Specialists develop, prepare and conduct a variety of educational programs and presentations on fire and injury prevention for the general public, school children of all ages, Fire District staff and citizen groups. In performing these duties, they prepare and maintain educational materials including information sheets, pamphlets, slides, videos and films; setup and operate audiovisual equipment; staff, maintain and prepare educational display booths for community activities; and coordinate with others to schedule presentations. In addition, Fire Prevention Specialists demonstrate the operation of fire safety equipment such as smoke detectors, fire sprinkler models, fire extinguishers and related equipment; conduct field surveys to identify properties not in compliance with exterior hazard standards and advise property owners of abatement requirements. MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS License Required: Valid California Motor Vehicle Operator’s License. Education: Possession of a high school diploma, G.E.D. or a high school proficiency certificate. Experience: One year of full-time or its equivalent experience teaching, training or making public presentations. Substitution: Thirty semester or 45 quarter units of education in Fire Science, Speech, Education, Psychology, Sociology or closely related fields may be substituted for the required experience. NOTE: Please provide a detailed description of the experience you feel best qualifies you for this position on the application form. If you qualify for this position on the basis of college course work completed, as noted above in the “Substitution” section, please submit with your application (either on the application or on a separate sheet of paper) the details of the course work including school attended, name of courses and the number of units for each course. SELECTION PROCESS 1. Application Filing: A completed Contra Costa County employment application and supplemental questionnaire must be submitted by mail or in person to the Contra Costa County Human Resources Department at 651 Pine Street, 2nd Floor, Martinez, California, 94553. Resumes may not be substituted for the official application or supplemental questionnaire and incomplete application packages will be disqualified. It is the applicant’s responsibility to allow adequate mail or delivery time. An application may be obtained by calling the Contra Costa County Human Resources Department in Martinez, California at (925) 335-1701 OR by visiting our website at www.co.contra-costa.ca.us/depart/hr. 2. Examination: The examination will consist of an evaluation of each candidate’s relevant education, training and/or experience as presented on the application and supplemental questionnaire. Candidates will receive a rating of 70% for meeting the minimum qualifications. Additional points will be awarded to those candidates who possess related education, training, and/or experience beyond the minimum qualifications. The names of successful candidates will be placed on an employment list in rank order for a period of six (6) months. The Human Resources Department may make changes to the examination steps noted above in accordance with Personnel Management Regulations. FINAL FILING: Continuous Class Code: RJWE OPEN ONLY 04/12/04 JL FIRE PREVENTION SPECIALIST Supplemental Questionnaire * 1. Check the appropriate letter where applicable and explain where indicated. A. ____ Possession of a high school diploma, G.E.D. or a high school proficiency certificate and one (1) year full-time experience (or the equivalent of full-time experience) in teaching, training or making public presentations. OR B. ____ 30 semester or 45 quarter units of education in Fire Science, Speech, Education, Psychology, Sociology or closely related fields may be substituted for the required experience. (Applicants must provide a detailed list of coursework including school attended, name of courses and number of units for each course). * 2. Describe your qualifications and/or experience in public speaking. Please include employer name and length of employment. * 3. Describe your qualifications and/or experience in developing and preparing educational programs/presentation (can include scripts, information sheets, pamphlets, slides, videos, films, etc.) Please include employer name and length of employment. * 4. Describe your qualifications and/or experience in working in front of visual media (i.e., “on camera”). Please include employer name and length of employment. * 5. Describe your qualifications and/or experience in working with citizens of all ages: Please include employer name and length of employment. · Children · Adolescents · Seniors * 6. Describe your qualifications and/or experience in conducting surveys and compiling data. Please include employer name and length of employment. * 7. Describe your qualifications and/or experience in writing reports and correspondence. Please include employer name and length of employment. * 8. Describe your qualifications and/or experience in reading parcel books or maps. Please include employer name and length of employment. * 9. Describe your qualifications and/or experience in “Hands on” with fire prevention equipment such as extinguishers, smoke detectors, fire sprinklers, and related equipment. Please include employer name and length of employment. * 10. Are you available and willing to work weekends, evenings and holidays? ____ Yes–Available Immediately ____ Yes, Available __________ ____ No * Required Question Always get inside somehow, then the moves are easier.

Looks like a Soviet copy of an Otter with the added complexity of retractable gear. I don't see the advantage, but we have a lot of Otters up here. I think it's 21 jumpers for the Otter, right? Ed? If you're going to take on the retractable gear thing, I really like the KingAir. You lose the giant door, but you get to altitude faster. I haven't enjoyed my time so far in the 750, but I didn't like jail at first either.

Chris, did you open your own can of whoopass on the parties involved? Tearing them up here is almost exclusively singing to the choir. There's a S&TA at your DZ, what did they think? I'm glad you brought it up at all, but laying a little whoopass on the offenders is probably the best thing to do.