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Hey Tom, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned asking for an engine cut. I hardly think this one jumper hung up will be affecting the planes performance all too much. I'm thinking to myself, if I were next in line and whitnessed this event, my course of action would be very similar to yours. I would, however, have sent word up to the pilot right away that there is a jumper hung up and we are trying to free him. A reduced airspeed would be appreciated? What do you think? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Don't worry about it too much for now. You did your work, checked your alti and pulled at the right time. Sounds like a success story to me. Perhaps make a point to look at the ground a few times in freefall on your next dive? One of the better ways to gain alti awarness quickly is to check your eyes against your altimeter on the way up in the plane. Look at the ground, check your alti... wait... repeat. Eventually you can start 'guessing' "This looks like 4 grand." (check your alti) "Ah! 3700ft! Excellent!" And so on and so fourth. One word of advice though, I would not be wearing an audible at 10 jumps. This is recommended as you'd be surprised how easy is it to simply "wait for the beeps"... nomatter how hard you try not to. Save it for when you can accurately tell where you are using your eyes and internal clock... and have it go off as your checking your wristmount for confirmation. And don't forget the most important part, that is be sure to have fun! Nick My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the "Hooker" seatbelt is the same webbing and the same clasps as our regular seatbelts but with both female and male bits on the same strap. The female bit is fastened several inches below the male. You'd thusly take the male end, thread it through the legstrap or main lift web of your harness, "hook" it around and connect it to the female. The liability issues surrounding "hooker" seatbelts stem from the fact that the Safety Standards for our harness webbing and the Safety Standards for the seatbelt hardware are set by different entities. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

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That's USD, which would be $2.27CND... how much are you coming to for shipping? May still end up being under $3CND a bottle... that's just like Red-Bull bought individually. ....Hey!... Did your avatar just get even sexier when I blinked that once? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

I guess it's to make sure people who buy the knife understand that that is not one of it's intended uses? ...I thought it applied here. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Me too! We should order a case and slip some into Max's food/drinks for a whole day... see how the Cessna rides are after that. lol. You coming out to the DZ this weekend? Deep-Fried turkey-bird!

And then there's the law of precidence which would make it necessary that all ads become idiot proof. This thread reminds me of that person who sued a company because she bought coffee from them, spilled it on herself.... and it was HOT. lol. I got the spoof in the ad. I thought it was funny. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

It won't play for me! My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

That's funny AND disconcerting... I saw video on one of those shows of a guy freefalling with what I think I remember to be a falcon. Sometimes, the bird would fly on it's own, keeping track of the plane and finding it's master, flying around him under canopy. But the craziest footage was when he was in freefall (belly) and launched a tiny little weight out in front of him. It had little feathers to keep it stable. This bird darts in in this tucked-dive and grabs it out of the air right in front of him! I'd love to get my hands on that footage too if anyone has it. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Right on and well said. Spoken like a true gent. lol. This thread sure did get me a thinkin' though. Thanks, Nick My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

No, I don't recall saying that... you presented the big way scenario and asked me if I'd just do my thing regarless of his poor plan of action. If you read my answer, I said I would never act differently in the air, then what was agreed upon on the ground. You tease me now. Good on you.

Well then I guess the best answer is not to "agree" to an unsafe plan. I know I said I'd of considered it but upon further consideration... I would not agree to this unsafe "plan". Could find yourself in a gift-wrapped 2 way under this hypothetical. And it'll only be a 2 way if both jumpers remain in one piece after the collision. You say: "Don't matter"... but it matters to me. On a side note, I find it hard to believe that anyone on an invitational 100 way would not be able to float back up to formation level. That "plan" sucks. Stick with the formation, if you can't get back up to it, stay out to the side and keep trying. Keep the formation in sight until planned breakoff and then, breakoff as planned. I'm sticking with my original. I would pull myself off the dive if this was the "Plan". My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Jenn? ... is that you baby? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

It is. However, I really dislike the look of that pointed little quarter fairing. I'd do away with it and make the front-end look more like the lighting. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Another thing I forgot to mention about that LO's 'plan' you presented: What if I'm not the only one? What if -totally out of character - I go low, following the 'plan', I take off tracking like a mo-fo afer trying for 5 seconds with no success... I become a speed demon perpendicular the flightline, planning to dump at 2000... now what if someone else does the exact same thing? And I mean EXACT same thing. Following the same path I took. Planning on a continued track until dumping at 2000... The only thing that will disrupt those plans for him/her is going to be my deploying canopy in their path. Just thought it worth noting. Albeit the chances are slim... about as slim as the chances of me ending up low in the first place (lol ) but still. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

It is not just as safe because nobody knows where you are. How about this? What if you're not the only one? You're on a 10 way, you go low and you can't get back up. You give up and take off. Your buddy does the exact same thing a few seconds later.... read: the EXACT same thing. Of course, what are the chances right? Unnacceptable, that's what they are. I like to do a head count when I can, at break off. If I don't see everyone I was jumping with, I get really nervous for a few seconds until I clear my air. Even then, my spidy-sense tingles as I deploy . My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Fair enough. Of course big big ways are a bit of another story than your average skydive. But at this point I raise my hand and ask that if there are 100 people trying to get to their slots from wherever they may be... why should I be any different? It's not like I'm going to hang out directly underneath them. Of course, on an invitational 100 way, I don't think there will be other groups right? If no, tracking -like hell- away and deploying at 2000 would get me further from the centre of the formation then anyone actually there could get... and there is no chance of me flying into another groups airspace. Upon discussing this with the group, I may chose this option. But this is clearly the exception to the rule (as all rules have exceptions yeah?) I state "there is but one answer", for the educational purpose of this thread. It must be made clear that this is not an option on a regular skydive. If there are other groups, perhaps a few tandems in one of our planes, then I have a big problem with that and would suggest sticking with the formation until planned breakoff. I would pull myself from the big way otherwise yes. The key though, is discussion. I won't just follow the LO suggestions if I don't agree. I will raise my point, either to change the plan or be convinced otherwise. Never would I act differently from what was agreed upon on the ground. How does that sound? Nick My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

That's just it isn't it? People that don't buckle up are not thinking of their fellow jumpers. Really, if I tell you to put on your seatbelt because you haven't yet and we are on takeoff roll, trust that's it's more for me then for you. lol. Our DZ is very good about the seatbelts and secured items. (I once was sitting by the door of the otter with my helmet in my lap and the TM at the front of the plane yelled back to remind me it should be secured. ) I once told a "sky-god", new to skydive burnaby, who was sitting across from me to buckle up on take off roll. "Don't worry." he said, and brushed off with his hand. "Oh, I'm not worried about you my friend. I'm worried about my poor buddy Dimitry who's sitting next to you. Put your belt on so that you don't kill him on your way through if we crash please.".... he didn't even respond or flintch. I was flat out pissed!! What can you do at that point? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

haha, I don't think ol' devil meant any harm. But in the scentence: "Then" means you will eventually give up. whereas, "Than" means you won't. This thread was refered to in an incidents thread about a collision between a deploying canopy and a freefalling jumper. I'll add for the sake of redundancy, that you should always, always, always do your best to keep with the formation. Plan the dive and dive the plan right? I don't ever recall tracking off early during a dirt dive . Seriously though. I think it's clear enough that there is but one answer. Still, there is one thing that hasn't been mentioned about if/when you give up and leave early. That's the unnecessary confusion of the jumpers who may very well be looking specifically for you at breakoff. When I'm on a dive with a decent number of bodies, I take note of who is supposed to be on the same side of the formation as me. As I turn and track, I take attendance. If someone is missing, that's when I'm thinking he/she must be directly above or below me. Nick My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

What?... okay excuse me? I think you're a little confused, let me explain: "Real Men" go wherever they want, whenever they want. "Real Men" make fun of sissies that have to go home to poop. That's how it works boys. ... really My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Ah but your math does not take into consideration numba one versus numba two! Women have to sit nomada what... men only need to sit for numba two. So in your example of an office employing an equal numba of men and women, the seat is down more then it is up. ... but still My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

...gulp... I've heard they taste great! My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

People pee in the shower. That is, some do, some don't. Come on now. It's not a "guy vs. girl" thing. In fact, there are very few valid "guy vs. girl" issues left. The jig has been up for quite a while now ladies. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

... Oh, as far as putting up a new role of TP... you got me on that one... we're just lazy like that. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!