Zenister

In the end....Does it really matter? I think not..... you know for a virgin your really trolling for feminine attention. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

absolutely!! i always tip at least a dollar/pack job, and when they get on on short calls etc i make up for it too.. i also bring water & gatoraid around..i'm sucking it down alot at Eloy anyway and they are working alot harder than i am..i also always try to say thanks. i've seen people just throw their canopy on the mats and walk off without a word..maybe its just me but that seems rather rude for someone who just saved your life.. that said i try to find one packer i get along with, who knows my jump habits and gets to know my gear, and i stick with them the whole time i'm there ..i always try to stow my brakes, slider and cock the pilot chute, but i want someone to double check me everytime as well, its saved me twice when i did something stupid like stow a brake above the ring, because i was talking instead of paying attention like i should have been.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

What if it takes one to get the other.. than let people chose to hurt themselves if they wish...if you offer the education, the information and the opportunity to learn and they still dont listen and think they can do it on their own?? Oh well... hopefully the divot they make will inspire others not to remain so ignorant. self determination is more important than safety. particularly since we will never agree from one person to the next what "safe" really is ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

education and reduced injuries is a goal i think everyone can support. protecting people from themselves is not. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

I like orange. with Stripes!! cant forget the stripes.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

put the logo on the back with that underneath it...and some thing on the breast pocket...would be perfect... oh yeah load isnt so important but contrast matters.. anyone else want a polo shirt kinda thing we can wear on 'respectible' work days... something tells me my new AZ Surfflite shirt wont go over well...even with the cool flag.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Lew 'whos head graces the clouds even while her feet tread the ground' is correct...not hanging out is a cardinal sin, and i have much repenting to do for the last holiday boogie, where i let the cold weather and nig-noogery of another sort interfere far to often with the proper year end ritual celebration that the first Xmas dz.com gathering deserved. just by looking at the pictures you wouldnt even know i was there...that will be recified this year however as i will taking up the crown of newest vidiot by the time the festivites begin my climbing harness is already packed!! 4 flower launch off a balloon??? i am sooooo there.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

there is some confusion here about zen, zen budduism and tao. they are related but not the same.. of the 3 i find tao the most helpful for questions such as this.. simply pick a path and 'slide' with no intention but to experience every moment, one can never tell when it will be the last.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

one load at least! i definately wanna try a few nutty things off a balloon in the near future... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

WHAT !! no Mouth? how will we scream? i say we fire up the one of black helicopters (they keep them in the hanger at Eloy) and kidnap her on the day after Xmas. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

I want in on the Balloon..maybe we can try the HD rappel exit we talked about for WFFC.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Believe me.. when I was going past at 10 am on HWY 512 it was still one of those sit there and wait for cloud clearance kind of days. oh well.. glad it cleared out for you.... ya gotta call!! i live on the "corner" of 512 and 161, about 10 min (with no traffic) from the DZ its amazing how it can be clear at my apt and cloudy at the DZ but occasionally the opposite is true as well

i think i just found my adjective for today ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

lol..Saturday was PERFECT! i think they did 9 otter loads (plus the night jumps) always call and ask! i live 10 min away and didnt think the air was jumpable Friday but...so i didnt head down to the dz..only to find out the morning was gorgeous there and they were still getting 8-9k in the afternoon total 0:5:1 beer for nearly getting 2!! Spocks in the same jump with me as the HD docker.. only missed the second one because i broke a cardinal rule of docking as the excitement hit..dont reach! shoulda stayed for the night jumps but i just got back and had 1000 things to do to try to get out Sunday..which of course clouded over ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

THATS IT!! Silk screen some boobies behind the dropzone.com logo on the chest of the T-shirt. Deuce, your a genius Better yet, boobies with flames!!! dont forget the skulls, cant have flames without skulls... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

rock on!! dreading this conversation "no mom i'm not coming home for Xmas this year either".... note: bring GOOD sleeping bags if your planing on camping..it was damn cold last year..(so i vanished to my apartment, wont have that luxury this year) ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

just to be clear, i have no problem with your goal. I think you are taking the low (and ultimately ineffective) road to reaching it. Criticism is not complaining. I am pointing out why a simple wingloading based regulation is not the best answer. I am not standing in the way of anything but more useless and unenforcible regulation. I believe you should always take the most effective action not the easiest. Even if it is more difficult and takes more time. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

exactly, lets create another black market without any kind of quality controls.. way to go Government! ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

In most all cases its better to study any issue than to take misguided or ineffective half measures..even when peoples lives are at stake..after all we arent talking about a risk to the general public, where the uninformed could unknowingly die from something they thought was safe, we are talking about a sport everyone involved in KNOWS the risks because they signed a waiver saying they understand it before they start. Education is simply the smart thing to do, but you cant force everyone to be smart, no matter how honorable your intentions.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

no i dont know you at all other than this forum and neither do you know me so lets not make this personal as its uninformative and useless to the discussion to get into such flame wars.) so is your action whining for more regulation on the internet? or are you actually out there doing these things? did you offer to teach the last guy you chewed out for flying like an idiot or did you just give him your .02 and leave him thinking you were an ass? (also not meant as a slam) but if your serious about stopping accidents there two routes..one leaves it up to a higher organization to pass rules that may or may not be enforced, the other involves people with the knowledge being proactive about sharing it.. it would help if everyones minds stayed open heres one i followed at around 60 jumps.. -me to a PST qualified competitor "hey are you busy? mind jumping with me today and giving me some canopy control pointers?" -PST competitor "sure..i wasnt planning on jumping today so can you cover my slots?" -me "absolutely" how hard is that?? why cant jumpers cant do that at their DZ? it doesnt have to be a Pro either, there are mentors everywhere, but if someone at a tiny cessna DZ is flying a canopy they shouldnt be (and there no one there to teach them) isnt it up to the local ST&A to step in?? it shouldnt be to hard to observe every jumper at smaller operations. those that want the knowledge will seek it, those who do not(and are not lucky or cannot learn well on their own) will still pound in..the difference is with the propose BSR they will do it at 505 jumps vs 205, if they care about following the rules at all... are you also going to lobby manufacturers to come with a standardized system of canopy measurement? I asked a few riggers this weekend and they thought it was funny..how exactly are you planning on determining wingloading when you cant accurately determine wing size from on canopy to another? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i still dont see this. How is it not possible? you cant walk up to the good canopy pilots at your DZ and ASK?? it doesnt have to be formal (none of mine were) you just walk up and ask..maybe you pay for their slot, but IME it was mostly free simply because i was interested and i actually ASKED Michele's experience aside (i'm shocked theres that much ignorance at one DZ but my experience has been the opposite) how many people who are interested in canopy control have asked a more experienced jumper and been told "no i wont help you??" so 2 years later when everyone who dies under a small canopy has 500+ jumps you'll be content? or will you scream "how many people have to die??" again and "only those under 1000 jumps are pissed" [callous] sorry but i also dont agree we are to the point where ANY regulation is necessary in the first place, you still havent provided any data that suggests the number of deaths in a single year was more than a statistically spike. There are a lot more factors to any fatality than simple wingloading, but the data isnt there to analyse deeply so everyone in favor of regulation points at wingloading as if it were the ONLY contributing factor..currency anyone?? Yes the stupid, those driven by ego, those who will not listen, will not pay attention to your proposed BSR anyway any more than they pay attention to anything else anyone tries to tell them for their own benefit and if for some reason they couldnt get the micro napkin they wanted at 300 jumps, will go ahead and get it at 502 and STILL not listen and pound in. You know what? in skydiving ignorance IS painful, oh well thats more O2 for anyone who cares to learn..[/callous] amazing how you can cite examples of 'bad' ST&A's and yet you expect them to follow and enforce a BSR they must not agree with in the first place if they are putting people under canopies at wingloadings you consider unsafe..why make further regulation at all if its not going to be enforced? if the current guidlines for instruction are not being enforced?? if you really want to change things change them at your DZ..talk to people about canopy control classes, offer some of your time to teach a jumper you think is at risk instead of just chewing them out, pick one day (or a whole weekend, how important is this to you??) a month where you'll jump with and give canopy control tips to anyone who asks, encourage everyone of your students to aggressively pursue canopy control after they are licensed, nothing has to be formally done if the people with the knowledge take the time to share it..change the culture by influence, not by coercion... oh wait..thats to hard..might as well just pass a rule and be done with it... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

exactly..but artistically its VERY ANNOYING..at some point you just wish they would release all the production materials in one place so you get the whole plot line without having to jump 'interfaces'. but then thats part of the point as well. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

quade you are describing the exact reason i missed the perris boogie ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

so you wont mind when someone with 602 jumps causes you the same delay then?? or will you join th crowd once again and say the restrictions are to low and need to be raised to protect people from themselves even more?? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

must resist urge to be labeled "guttersnipe" again..lol fuggit hmm i think i'm going to wonder that a bit myself the great pics just dont stop... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.