Robert99

Amazon has her own thread, "Hang Tough Girl!", on the Bonfire forum. She checked in at 5:43PM PDT yesterday with the post: "Thanks evrybuddies .. tired .. I survive" I imagine that some have been in direct contact with her by phone and PMs. Robert99

BK, What have you been drinking or snorting? You're beginning to make sense. Robert99

Blevins, Be careful or you will throw your shoulder out of place patting yourself on the back. Your proposal above dates to the night of the hijacking in 1971. That is what was done starting even before the airliner landed in Reno. You really should read up a bit on the hijacking and the Cooper case in general. You might learn something. Robert99

I frankly do NOT know if I changed the wording or not! Jo, Aren't you being cute tonight? Robert99

MY my Robert, I do NOT believe I said Duane was going to BLACKMAIL the man - just that HE did NOT want the MAN to see him. I asked WHY? Would this man have KNOW Weber from the PAST? I just want answers to the QUESTIONS! Who the man was and how he was connected to We ber????? The FACT Duane wanted to go thru Salt Lake and TAKING this photo was HIS only objective in doing so MAKES IT VERY important! Who? When? Why? Who manufactured all of the above planes that crashed? I don't have a clue. They are just plane crashes to me. I may have known before, but I have forgotten (old lady syndrome). WHY Cooper chose N.W. Airlines IS NOT RELEVANT. Cooper CHOSE the BOEING BECAUSE he knew it could be jumped from the AFT STAIRS. Did the man in the Picture also know the plane could be jumped and maybe this man knew Duane by sight, but NOT by name! YOU think, Robert. Robert maybe YOU are the man in the pic or maybe Georger? Someone knows who the man was! WAS the man a FORMER Boeing employee? NOTE these are ALL questions - NOT statements of FACTS! WHY do you think the WAY you DO? Jo, My congratulations to you for a fast job of editing your original post after my reply. You have done this before and you are a master at it. Robert99

Jo, I never ceased to be amazed about your ability to make meaningless connections and statements. Boeing did not have those crashes. Various airlines had those accidents. Why don't you get copies of the accident reports and read them. Are you claiming that Duane needed a picture of the fellow in Salt Lake City so he could blackmail him? Just exactly how would that work? The only thing you have proven in the last 18 years is that you have a hyperactive imagination. Robert99

Collins never made CB radios. Art Collins and USAF Gen. Curtis LeMay were buddies and fellow ham radio operators. Together they revolutionized HF radio comms for the Strategic Air Command by adopting SSB and phasing out AM. Sen. Barry Goldwater, also a ham, was the third man in the Collins SSB Troika. Collins made a fortune supplying SSB HF radios to the USAF starting with the vacuum tube ARC 58 transceiver and continuing to this day. I used to work for Hughes. Hughes Helicopter was separate from Hughes Aircraft. Boeing, with its Vertol division, was a helo competitor. McDonnel Douglas (St. Louis) eventually bought Hughes Helo. Boeing eventually bought McDonnel Douglas and also the Space and Communications group of Hughes Aircraft. 377. 377, To add a bit to your points about Howard Hughes properties. Hughes Aircraft was basically not involved with aircraft except maybe (probably) the "Spruce Goose" program which started during WW2. Hughes Aircraft was basically a space and electronics operation. Hughes Tool Company had an aircraft division of one type or another and it did a "hot cycle" helicopter project for the US Army in the mid-1960s. Hughes Helicopter was not involved in that project. When Howard Hughes died, his heirs decided to devote his estate's assets to medical research, which Hughes had been interested in, and sold off the assets since they were not interested in running them. Refocusing Hughes estate's finances made a lot of lawyers rich but Melvin Dummar (or whatever his name was) failed in his attempt to benefit from the estate. But the always constant thing about Hughes was that he would NEVER share ownership of a property with anyone. That is partly why he lost TWA. Robert99

Jo, Guru is right. Pursuing your post would be a complete waste of time. Frankly, it looks like you are trying again to get everyone running out on another wild goose chase. You may as well join with BK in trying to pin the whole Cooper hijacking on Nixon. Robert99

Blevins, You can't be serious about the above claims. In one word, you are WRONG. Your remarks above are like someone claiming to be a Shakespeare critic or expert without having read a single one of his works. All of the information in Tosaw's book about what Cooper did from the time all the passengers and other two flight attendants were released had to come from Tina. I have personally quoted extensively from Tosaw's book about Tina's activities, what she saw and what she did until Cooper jumped, on this thread. Tosaw's book was published prior to Himmelsbach's and is the best book on Cooper that I have personally seen. If you want to know what happened during the hijacking, forget KC, and get Tosaw's book and read it. Robert99 I SAID I hadn't read the book yet. It wasn't a claim. It was a question. The reason I asked is because I heard that when Tosaw interviewed Tina in person that he got zip. I heard this...doesn't mean it's accurate. That's why I asked. I suppose I should read the book, yes. Are you sure that Tosaw didn't just have access to the FBI witness reports? He may not have gotten anything out of Tina personally. Gray was allowed access to those reports, why not Tosaw, a former FBI agent? I don't see what my question has to do with KC. People don't want to discuss him, fine. We should stop bringing him up then. I already wrapped that investigation. As far as the water in Seattle, it's generally okay and I have a filter installed on the faucet anyway.

Sailshaw, I don't know why you are addressing this to me since I didn't write the above. Maybe you should read the original post and see who wrote it. A very likely suspect would be Jo Weber. Is there something in the water in Seattle that causes you and Blevins to be acting in such a weird fashion? Robert99

Blevins, You can't be serious about the above claims. In one word, you are WRONG. Your remarks above are like someone claiming to be a Shakespeare critic or expert without having read a single one of his works. All of the information in Tosaw's book about what Cooper did from the time all the passengers and other two flight attendants were released had to come from Tina. I have personally quoted extensively from Tosaw's book about Tina's activities, what she saw and what she did until Cooper jumped, on this thread. Tosaw's book was published prior to Himmelsbach's and is the best book on Cooper that I have personally seen. If you want to know what happened during the hijacking, forget KC, and get Tosaw's book and read it. Robert99

Jo, Just exactly how did I get involved with this post? I didn't start it. Robert99

Sailshaw, You are actually attributing something written by Bruce Smith to me. And I in turn am actually replying to Bruce's statement that he (Bruce) would want to check the parachute packing card. I'm just pointing out to Bruce that according to Tosaw's book, Tina saw Cooper do just that. Bruce's whole post concerns the aft stairs and not the pressure hull door. So there should not be any "residual pressure" on the aft stairs. Robert99

According to Tosaw's book, Tina saw Cooper get the packing card out and check it. Robert99

Rataczak was once quoted on this thread as having said something like, "I'm the only one who knows what the flight path was in the Portland area." And he certainly should have known what it was since he was hand-flying the aircraft and looking at the flight instruments and navigational instruments constantly. Also, there is a published picture of the entire cockpit crew plus the cabin crew at a news conference either in Seattle or Minneapolis with a day or two of the hijacking. If you read "body language", then carefully note that all three cabin crew members appear to be bored to death with the whole conference. And the cockpit crew, all three of them, have their arms crossed across their chests. In body language, this means that the cockpit crew members have been "turned off" by something. The rest is history. Robert99

Jo, Blevins is easy to figure out. As I have stated before, the real mystery on this thread is you. Who are you, what are you doing here, what are you getting out of it? And nothing you or Blevins are doing has anything to do with solving the Cooper hijacking. Robert99

Mother Nature has been known to do such things in the normal course of events. Robert99

Have you tried "Buck Rogers-Rogers"? Robert99

Jo Weber writes: How would U feel personally if it came down to the FBI stating that Weber was the BEST candiate ever? Just curious! Robert99 replies: I would personally feel that the FBI had gotten into a stash of Jo Weber Kool Aid. Jo Weber writes: Putting Weber in a chute does NOT seem to be sufficient for the FBI anymore - now they want me to put him on the plane. Robert99 replies: Putting Duane Weber on the plane would be VERY helpful to your case. Robert99 Another famous quotation from Janis Joplin (or maybe it was Jerry Lee Lewis or, again, it could have been Shakespeare): "At times, life can be a bitch."

Robert99 replies: Blevins, You are sadly mistaken. The main motivator on this thread is COOPERATION. At the present time, it is being conducted mainly by PM's and direct e-mails and phone calls. If you are smart enough to write a book, then you should have already figured that out. And Paul Quade is not a problem to anyone that doesn't deserve to have problems. RobertMBlevins writes: Robert99 replies: Your last sentence above doesn't make "sense" to me, but you seem to be under the impression that anyone who doesn't agree with you is abusing you. Sorry to have to tell you this, but there are people on this thread that know a lot more about the Cooper matter than you. If you feel that they consider you a threat, someone who might actually solve the Cooper case, or a Threat to the Discussion, then relax. You are NOWHERE close to solving the Cooper case and neither is Jo Weber. Blevins writes: Pretty well sums it up, I think. Robert99 replies: I presume that the "core group of folks" you mention above is yourself. Robert99

Blevins, While the parachute is round, more or less, it also has slots and is steerable. The camera crew picked their tree and got set up. The jumper was aware of the specific tree in which he was to land and he did so. The jumper came to the camera crew without any magic being involved. To repeat, in the opening scenes of the Treat Williams movie, ALL of the scenes were filmed in the air. The scenes prior to the ones that start with Robert Duvall's name superimposed were filmed when the air mass underneath the was either marine air or had quite a bit of smog. The airliner was above that air mass and in bright sunshine. You have to see this stuff from the air and under a lot of different conditions to understand that it is a natural situation. Also, those scenes were apparently filmed in the late afternoon (and I don't mean early morning). The scenes with Robert Duvall's name superimposed and later ones had much less smoggy type air beneath the aircraft and things on the ground appeared to be sharper. Robert99

Nice photos. Can we assume the stairs are locked down in your photo? The stairs were not locked down in the test (photos). I can't be 100% sure, the picture seems to be from the movie. note the color of clothing "brown" and the way he is jumping out? the picture was taken off of Dropzone, Greg Gasson gave me the link. a better quality of the film is found here, the first 5 minutes are the only parts to watch, or up to the bomb scene. http://www.hulu.com/watch/208410 Except for the close ups of Treat Williams, the opening scenes were shot in the air. Real airplane, real jump, real landing in the trees, etc.. Robert99 Thanks Robert99, take a look at these two photo's, it appears the stairs are not locked in photo #2 Mrshutter, you are right. Unless the stairs could be locked in an intermediate position, and that is unlikely, they were "floating" in the aerial picture.

Nice photos. Can we assume the stairs are locked down in your photo? The stairs were not locked down in the test (photos). I can't be 100% sure, the picture seems to be from the movie. note the color of clothing "brown" and the way he is jumping out? the picture was taken off of Dropzone, Greg Gasson gave me the link. a better quality of the film is found here, the first 5 minutes are the only parts to watch, or up to the bomb scene. http://www.hulu.com/watch/208410 Except for the close ups of Treat Williams, the opening scenes were shot in the air. Real airplane, real jump, real landing in the trees, etc.. Robert99

Nice photos. Can we assume the stairs are locked down in your photo? The stairs were not locked down in the test (photos). Georger, You are very observant. The cloth "modesty panels" on each side of the stairs have been removed. And it looks like some structural member has been added on each side of the stairs and runs down to about the second step. So it looks like something has been done to the stairs and locking them down during the jump would probably be the best thing to do. Then unlocking and retracting them to their normal up position would be easy to do for the landing. Robert99

Yep. That's our man. Or at least one of them. Robert99