Robert99

1944 - WHAT SS records? When did SS start? Social Security started in the late 1930s. Somewhere about 1936 or 1937.

Jo, It is beyond belief that you would make these claims, which you could have easily verified as being nonsense before posting them here. Ron Howard's father is an actor who uses the screen name Rance Howard. You can check out his birth name on Wikipedia, if you are interested. During the years Duane Weber was spending time in ever jailhouse he could find, Rance Howard was serving in the USAF and building a distinguished film career by appearing in more than 100 motion pictures. A list of his screen appearances, and their year, is also given on Wikipedia. The probability of Duane Weber knowing Rance Howard is so remote as to be laughable. Weber was an unsuccessful criminal. Rance Howard was and still is a successful actor. Robert99

And don't forget that all the magic strings are being sought by acres and acres of supercomputers. There is very little time and opportunity for the computer operators to check up on their neighbors girl friend. Robert99

Jo, The truth is that Duane Weber did not have ANYTHING to do with the Cooper hijacking in ANY capacity. And the truth for Blevins latest claims is that Amelia splashed close to Howland Island. She did not have the three hours of additional fuel that it would take to get to Gardner Island, she would have had as big a problem finding Gardner as she was having locating Howland, and there is no evidence whatsoever that she was headed anywhere except Howland Island. Robert99

Blevins, For a self-styled scientific fiction writer, you should know that the name of this planet is earth and we are earthlings. Robert99

Was his name Brad Pitt?

Correct.

Try his speech at the recent NWA get together or some interview about the same time. I did print out that thing and it may have even appeared on the thread, but I am not going to bother looking for it. You might also talk to Bruce Smith who said in a recent post here that Captain Scott claimed the airliner overflew Woodland which is very close to being on the direct line between the Malay and Canby Intersections. It is highly unlikely that the airliner would fly over Portland in view of the crew's suggestion that they get above the overcast and then fly over the Pacific until Cooper jumped, after being informed by the FAA Chief Psychologist that Cooper would probably blow up the airplane when he jumped. Staying on the centerline of V-23 from Malay to Canby Intersections would only add a couple of miles to the distance to be travelled and, in view of the absence of accurate times, the calculations are to close to make a confident call. Bypassing Portland on the EAST side would add about 10 to 15 Nautical Miles (about 3 to 5 minutes flying time) to the flight track and that would definitely show up in the calculations. Finally, Rataczak's statement a few months ago suggests that the "popular" flight track is not the correct one. So that leaves the airliner bypassing Portland on the west side. Robert99

Blevins, Rataczak has publicly stated in the last few months that he is the only one who knows which side of Portland the airliner was on when it went by. Do you think he is saying that it was straight down the centerline of V-23? There is additional evidence that Portland was bypassed on the west side. Robert99

The four red "X" marks west and southwest of Portland on the FBI charts give support for the airliner's flight path bypassing Portland on the west side. The two eastern red marks are in direct alignment with the Malay Intersection and the Canby Intersection. The two western red marks are in direct alignment with the Malay Intersection and a point one or two nautical miles south of the Canby Intersection. Using a great circle computer program, the True Course between the Malay Intersection and the Canby Intersection is 180.14 degrees and the distance is 66.74 Nautical Miles. Measurements on the charts support these numbers. In addition, the True Course line between these two intersections passes less than 1000 feet west of the point where the money was found at Tina Bar. That corresponds roughly with the west bank of the Columbia River across from Tina Bar. For the apparently two aircraft that were tracked to give those four points, one could be the airliner and the other a chase aircraft. The chase aircraft at this point was the T-33 from Portland International Airport that was west of the Portland area when asked to join the chase. The time for the marks data to be generated was apparently in the 8:15 to 8:30 PM period. The T-33 pilot mentioned Lake Oswego, which is on the southwest side of the Portland area, and is so quoted on page 46 of Himmelsbach's book. In addition, Himmelsbach himself boarded a Oregon National Guard helicopter at Portland International Airport and also flew to the southwest side of the Portland area. He even mentions, on page 42 of his book, that they flew over his home in West Linn in southwest Portland. From the above, it is obvious that on the night of the hijacking the chase aircraft and helicopter were solely interested in an airliner that was bypassing Portland on the west side. "Faith based" flight paths don't work here. So anyone claiming that the airliner stayed on V-23 while in the Portland area needs to start giving valid reasons for their claims. Robert99

This is just part of TIGHAR's annual fund raising campaign. There is no believable evidence that Amelia was headed anywhere but Howland Island. During her last radio transmissions, she was close to Howland and trying to find it, while saying she was low on fuel. The flight down to the TIGHAR site would have taken another three hours and she simply didn't have fuel to get there. Not to mention that there are a number of other islands closer to Howland than Gardner. A few years ago, TIGHAR was claiming to have found a heel from Amelia's shoe. More recently, they claimed to have found a "freckle cream" jar similar to ones Amelia reportedly used. Last year, it was a "wheel" sticking up out of the water and now it is a blip on a sonar map. Next year? Who knows? Robert99 TIGHAR does enjoy their little trips to Nikumaroro Island, don't they? It's hard to tell sometimes if they are sincere, or if they are just using Amelia Earhart as a source of income. You want to believe them, but.... There are also a ton of books out there on Earhart's flight, her life, etc. This one is probably the most comprehensive, and the best-researched on the flight itself. You would like it, Robert99. The guy who wrote it is definitely a no-BS type of person. Warning: This book is not 'light reading' by any means. I actually reviewed this book at Amazon, one of my few outside reviews. I gave it five stars. Earhart's Flight Into Yesterday - The Facts Without the Fiction by Captain Laurance Safford. This is one high-quality work, which I am still re-reading piece by piece. TIGHAR? Jury is still out on them and right now it's a HUNG jury. I have Safford's book and certainly agree with his conclusion that the flight was "poorly planned, poorly executed". I disagree with him on his predicted splash point. There have been a number of books in the past few years on Earhart and written by women pilots. These authors have been very candid and not always kind to Earhart. Anyone interested in Earhart, her radio problems, and the search for her, should Goggle "Doug Westfall, Paragon Books". Doug has a number of books on Earhart and people that were associated with the Howland flight. Plus he has what appears to be all of the official logs and records prepared by the people who were at Howland plus those that were involved in the ship search. Robert99

This is just part of TIGHAR's annual fund raising campaign. There is no believable evidence that Amelia was headed anywhere but Howland Island. During her last radio transmissions, she was close to Howland and trying to find it, while saying she was low on fuel. The flight down to the TIGHAR site would have taken another three hours and she simply didn't have fuel to get there. Not to mention that there are a number of other islands closer to Howland than Gardner. A few years ago, TIGHAR was claiming to have found a heel from Amelia's shoe. More recently, they claimed to have found a "freckle cream" jar similar to ones Amelia reportedly used. Last year, it was a "wheel" sticking up out of the water and now it is a blip on a sonar map. Next year? Who knows? Robert99

Blevins, You heard wrong. My personal piloting time has been in general aviation and sports aircraft. About 1/3 to 1/2 of my time has been in single seat aircraft. My experiences with bigger and faster aircraft has been as an aeronautical engineer. Robert99

Blevins, I don't think you have any qualifications to make a statement like that. Robert99

Calame should do his homework. There is no such thing as an Army C-13 helicopter either in 1967 or any other time. Robert99

Blevins, For someone who claims they don't even know if their book is correct about KC and who claims they don't even want to talk about KC now, you continue to do an excellent job of talking about KC and pushing your book. Do you see a disconnect between your claims and actions? Of course you don't! You just claim that you are getting rich from all those book sales. Robert99

Both Boyce and Lee should have been executed. Well, that's an opinion. You're getting into death penalty stuff now, and I have a few problems with it. On this issue, we will have to agree to disagree. Blevins, Do you understand that what Boyce and Lee did for money and drugs was extremely damaging to the security of the USA and the entire western world? No telling how many died as a direct result of their activities. Then there is the infamous Walker family spy ring that sold information on Naval code equipment. One estimate of the damage to USA security of their activities is that if the USA and USSR had gotten involved in a shooting war in that time frame, the USA would have lost as a direct result of the Walker family. Treason is not small potatoes. So far as I am concerned, you could also line the entire Walker family up against a wall and shoot them. And if they had a dog, shoot it also. Robert99

It may be that the FBI turned that over to the Marshals Service because they are the ones who often end up with the responsibility on escapees from Federal custody. The spy Christopher Boyce ('Falcon and the Snowman') is a good example. The rumor was, that Reagan said if they didn't catch Boyce, he would dismantle the Service. I don't know if that's true, but he did fire the ATC's by the thousands. Who knows? He probably just wanted Boyce caught and tried to light a fire under the Service. And they came through for him. I actually sold Boyce a car when he was on escape and robbing banks in Washington. But that's another story. If I made the details on that public, I would just get slammed. That story goes only to people I trust, and privately. No, I didn't know he was Boyce when he came to the used car lot where I worked. Certainly found out the next day, though.

Jo, I'll answer your last sentence first. My "negativity" embraces others in addition to your self, such as BK and Blevins. The reason is that you (plural) deal mainly in bullshit, and I am not interested in that commodity. Rest assured that I don't trust you (again plural) either. Robert99

Jo, Perhaps Shutter has been so successful in his research because he knows what he is doing. And I doubt if the phases of the moon or global warming had anything to do with it. For his "assimilation", I'll bet Shutter read the transcripts that were provided by Larry Carr and are posted on Sluggo's web page. Unfortunately, Jo and Blevins could never find the time to read the available information. Who is Robert99? Very good question. Maybe he is a work in progress, or a sweet old s.o.b. who has little patience with people like Jo and Blevins who don't do their homework but feel fully qualified to pontificate on subjects they know nothing about, or maybe even he doesn't know who he is. Again, an excellent question. Robert99

Jo, It is quiet because of the 15 or so posts so far today you and Blevins have only posted once each. Normally, you would have posted about four times each. Robert99

Not quite...with that canopy and that speed, it's more like jumping off a bungee jumping platform ~ with a log chain instead of a big rubber band. You're essentially decelerating from what...about 150 mph to almost zero in two heartbeats. Ohhhhh scary jet jumps......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NVqVKwHmTA See if you can spot the cool Canopy RW Not sure if I spotted the cool canopy, but here's something I spotted right away just beyond the 5:00 mark: Guys landing with cargo hanging on a line BELOW them. I also noticed many of the openings happened almost upside down, but that the canopies quickly righted themselves. Yeah, it's scary. I'm wondering the cruise speed of this aircraft during those jumps. This is what I have on it now for cruise: 520 mph (837km/h; Mach 0.70) That's a lot effin' faster than Flight 305 was going. The jump speed for the C-141 is about 140 knots. Perhaps you noticed the troopers dropping the equipment packs below them just prior to landing.

Jo, Your quote above is directed to Shutter. You definitely imply above that you interviewed Tina, that you knew what Tina's inner thoughts were on shoes, as well as what she said or didn't say about the hijacking. Nevertheless, in your post #43401, page 1737, May 15, 2013, your very first sentence is as follows: "Tina and I had a very limited conversation and it was not about the flight." Jo, You are just blowing smoke here. By your own admission, you haven't even discussed the hijacking with Tina! Robert99

The stewardess where asked if Cooper wore any jewelry. If they mention a watch and a description of that watch - you can BET they sat on that - in order to be able to ID Cooper. You are probably right on the door. We know he could NOT get it open so it was NOT open right off the bat. The stewardess had to show him! I know they COULD not take off with it open and I was reading one of the accounts that claimed the Door was not lowered until they approach the Mt. St. Helens area....I do NOT remember who wrote that. The individual who did was probably referring the lowering of the airway....Even if the door was open I was not lowered - that would have created quiet a drag - would it not? Cooper couldn't get the door to open so HOW long had they been in the air at that time. Do you have the minutes on this? The statement about the door opening and Mt St. Helens is and was in a written document - but I do NOT remember who the statement came from. 17 yrs is a long long time to chase a story...and most of it I keep in my head, other than what I write in this thread. Jo, You can forget about Mt. St. Helens. The aircraft was never within 20 miles of that mountain. The aft stairs were opened when the airliner was on V-23 about 20 miles almost straight south of the Seattle airport. This is fully documented in the radio transcripts. There is no "missing minute". There is one minute where the location of the aircraft is not plotted on the chart but that does not make a "missing minute". Robert99

Let's take just one of your straw men above - the evidence. Maybe you can enlighten us about what this evidence you keep referring to is? The "official flight path" is nothing more than 2 maps, one with an attempt to put time stamps on it. That map is not evidence but the result of supposed evidence(s). Where is this evidence you keep talking about? The radio transcripts and the maps have been in place for some years now. No one has been able to discredit them to date. If you think they are wrong, go to the sources. As for me, I believe them unless new evidence to the contrary comes along. It's also 'Put Up or Shut Up' if you are going to question those items. You're asking me. You should be investigating sources. Blevins, You obviously have still NOT read the radio transcripts! Have you noticed any discussion on this thread about the lack of information in the transcripts concerning the airliner's location when it was in the Portland area? Read the transcripts and read the posts! Robert99