Robert99

Jo, When you get there, be sure to put a torch in the window for me so I can find the place. Robert99 I know where I am going and it is not to hell! Portland?

Jo, When you get there, be sure to put a torch in the window for me so I can find the place. Robert99

Blevins, You continue to claim that I used that phrase. Could you cite a source. That phrase is NOT one that I would use under the circumstances related to the hijacked airliner. Robert99

Sure...the airliner crossed the Columbia River. Everyone knows that. But you will have to demonstrate where Soderlind and Tosaw came to the conclusion that this crossing was miles north of Portland in the Tina Bar area...or where the flight path map shows...over PORTLAND. And by the way, I do know east from west. Unless proven otherwise by you, I still have to agree with the current available data showing that 305 was EAST of the Columbia River, as well as the Interstate 5 freeway...at the time it passed by the Tina Bar area. You claim the flight may have taken a shortcut and somehow headed southwest once it passed the point where the placard was found. That's a theory, and so far no proof has been presented on that. Anybody seen this 'second map'? Is is available for viewing anywhere? Just wondering. If no proof is available that the flight took a shortcut to the southwest, then you could say that MAYBE Cooper bailed over the Columbia in the Portland area. But there are problems with that scenario as well. First, no one searched that area after the hijacking because from all the evidence Cooper jumped farther north. Second, even if everyone is wrong about the jump point, this still doesn't explain how at least three bundles of the ransom were found miles downriver in exactly the same spot. Anyone who doesn't believe the Tina Bar money raises more questions than it answers...well, I think it does. But simply MOVING the flight without supporting proof just to explain both the money find and Cooper's fate...is a pretty big stretch. Blevins, As you well know, I have NEVER said that the airliner flew to the "southwest" after passing the Mayfield (now Malay) Intersection. If the airliner flew direct from the Mayfield Intersection to the Canby Intersection south of Portland, its True Course (which is measured with respect to the "grid lines" or lines of longitude) would be 178 degrees or just 2 degrees EAST of true SOUTH. All of the above has been discussed on this thread at great length for years and years. Contrary to your statement, the money find at Tina Bar answers plenty of questions. And this has also been discussed on this thread at great length for years and years. Your last paragraph is just more nonsense and shows your absolute need to keep the flight path far, far to the east of Tina Bar to support the idea that your Cooper candidate survived the jump. And you have no proof for that flight path. Robert99

It is not MY claim. It is the flight path shown on the map held by the FBI. The one that just about everyone agrees is reasonably correct. I know which way the river runs in that area, yes. I also know every flight I've taken to Portland when you get south of the Chehalis area...you can see the Interstate 5 freeway out the right window until you get close to Vancouver. And it's miles away, and even further west to the Columbia at that point. What you are saying is that the flight took a sudden diversion to the west instead of continuing south from the point where the placard was found, and there is absolutely NO proof this actually happened. You want to ignore the Sleuths' evaluation? Fine. The guy handling the radar who the Sleuths' interviewed? Okay. The search for the hijacker, which was nowhere even ClOSE to Tina Bar? Go for it. ***'IF the flight diverted...' Pretty big 'IF'. Unproven. I have not personally seen the Tosaw book, but I will soon. I have a copy on the way via Powells Books in Portland. I also know that Tosaw developed a theory that Cooper may have pancaked into the Columbia because I know he did some searching in the river after the money was discovered. But he found nothing. And he also wrote his book a few years after the discovery of the money. However, when this book arrives I am going to search it thoroughly for any references where Soderlind tosses out the route and says no...the plane went over Tina Bar. I don't think I will find anything like that, but we will see. Your quotes from the book are not proof of anything so far. They are mutual back-slapping statements by a couple of the principles and say nothing. I don't understand why you keep putting this 'claim' thing regarding the route the plane took to Portland on ME. It is not my idea, my invention, or my claim. It is what exists via the FBI, the Citizen Sleuths' research, the radar data, etc. It is pointless to argue with ME about it. It is THOSE entities you dispute to support your theory, not me. You could ask the co-pilot, as I suggested. In fact, this should have been your first stop once you decided that Cooper must have jumped over Tina Bar. What you are proposing is pretty radical if you think about it. If the FBI or NWA knew that the flight could have overflown Tina Bar...and that's why the money ended up on the beach there...don't you think there would have been some mention of this after the money was discovered? This has never been mentioned by anyone at the time it was found. Why? Because everyone knew that spot was miles off the established flight path. Radar says so. Map says so. Sleuths say so. The friggin' ground search for the hijacker says so. You say no. Okay. But there is no proof of that so far, Robert99. Blevins, EAST is EAST and WEST is WEST, but you apparently don't know WHICH is WHICH. The flight path you mention has the airliner EAST, not WEST, of Tina Bar and the Columbia River. Do you have a source for your quote, "If the flight diverted . . ." I don't believe I have used that phrase. Robert99

Note to folks interested in the DB Cooper case: Suspect anyone who disregards the truth in favor of personalities, or who goes after anyone on a personal level who is also investigating the case. This indicates they have a personal agenda which supersedes and taints any real truth they may be trying to present. NOTE TO FOLKS INTERESTED IN THE DB COOPER CASE: Some of the statements made above by Blevins and attributed to other people are NOT consistent with more complete statements those same people made to other Cooper researchers. If the placard from the airliner landed "almost directly under the FBI flight path" then the FBI flight path could NOT be correct. I feel qualified to comment on the placard matter since I am the one who did the calculations at Tom Kaye's request. The placard calculations were made in a conservative manner. That is, the distance that the placard was blown is at least the distance shown in the calculations. It could have, and probably did, travel a greater distance. These calculations will be repeated when the actual wind speed and direction is finally available. It should be noted that forecast winds and directions are not necessarily the actual conditions the airliner encountered. At this point, the only thing that can be said about the placard separation point from the airliner is that it was west of the centerline of V-23. And that the placard was blown in a northeasterly direction. Robert99

'IF the airliner took a shortcut...' you say. Any proof that they did? The map says they didn't. You spent much time before...and NOW...making fun of my comments regarding how Soderlind and his NWA team had a hand in making the map, and then you admit he did. I don't know where you get this 'claims' stuff, either. I simply agree with the current flight path map as presented by the Seattle FBI on their website today. (See attached picture for the critical portion) And by the way...these things have NOTHING to do with the identity of the hijacker as you claim. Where Cooper jumped and where the plane was at that time have ZIP to do with whether Christiansen, Weber, or someone else was the hijacker. ZIP. Your comments about 'Cooper could have landed in the Columbia River' are pointless, Robert. This is because at some point during the flight, it would have crossed the Columbia anyway. Well...unless you divert east over to Idaho or out over the Pacific Ocean. The problem is...map shows the flight overflew the Columbia in the Portland area, not over Tina Bar, not miles within Tina Bar, not even within any kind of parachute drifting distance from Tina Bar. Only YOU say that. Map doesn't. The search for Cooper didn't. Just YOU. And you still have offered no proof that it did. You agree Soderlind probably had a hand in the map, which makes sense because he was NWA's go-to guy in these things. '...if the flight diverted.' Big if. Unproven. No use trying to twist around Soderlind's work to fit your theory. If Soderlind, the FBI, etc. actually thought Cooper jumped anywhere NEAR Tina Bar...they would have sent the Army THERE. Instead of miles NE of that spot. And the map created with the help of Paul Soderlind and his team would read differently. And you can stop associating my name with Jo Weber. She lives in Florida. I live in the Seattle area. We've never met. I've never even spoken to her on the phone and I don't have the slightest idea whether Duane Weber was the hijacker. All I know is you like to come after people for no good reason. I think you're pissed off (again) when you found out I was right about Soderlind's participation in the creation of the flight map. You know, Robert...if the types of radar that were used to track Flight 305 were so far off...so WRONG...airliners would have been crashing in mid-air all over the place for years before Cooper pulled his little stunt. I've already suggested the most obvious solution for you. Call up Bill Rataczak. I don't care whether you do or not, but to forward such a radical theory (flight diverted purposely, Cooper jumped at that point, this is reason why money was found at Tina Bar later) you need to go to the source. I think Rataczak could tell you easily enough if 305 was ever west of the Interstate 5 freeway at any point previous to reaching Vancouver. You should have asked him long ago. Soderlind was one of the smartest guys to ever work for NWA. Some of his work is still used, and referred to, in commercial aviation today. That's why he's in the Minnesota Aviation Hall of Fame. If he had a hand in the creation of the map, and I truly believe he did...I trust the map. Again. Rataczak. Phone call or letter. Your answers will be forthcoming. I notice you talk about a 'second map'. Where is this map? Also...you are quoting both Soderlind and Tosaw in your original post on this subject. Source, please? Blevins, Your post quoted above is just more of your nonsense and ducking and weaving. So you want a source? The source is given in the VERY FIRST SENTENCE OF MY POST #57367 which you deleted while quoting selective parts of that post. How did you manage to miss the source? Bruce Smith, who has professional journalistic experience and qualifications, saw that source and verified that it was a true representation of what appears on pages 107 and 108 of Tosaw's book. Perhaps Bruce will agree to give you some instructions on how to do research if you ask him politely. The flight path on the so-called "FBI Map" (even the FBI apparently doesn't know where it came from) has been so thoroughly discredited on this thread that there is no point in discussing it further. Blevins, for your information, here are some comments from Tosaw's book, page vii: "PAUL SODERLIND, Former Director, Flight Operations-Technical, Northwest Airlines, says: 'Richard, you have handled the story very well, and I am glad I was able to contribute.' " "TOM MANNING, Former FBI Agent who led the search for Cooper, says: 'Compliments to my friend, Richard Tosaw, for his painstaking research and interesting analysis of this fascinating case.' " "WILLIAM RATACZAK, Copilot, Flight 305, says: 'Mr. Tosaw has cut through the very technical details of a complex nightmare to successfully capture the very real-life drama of one of the 20th century's most bizarre, and yet unsolved, crimes.' " There are other such comments on that page. Blevins, if the airliner had crossed the Columbia River on V-23 near the Portland International Airport, it would have been over the Columbia River less that 4 SECONDS. If the airliner bypassed Portland on the west side as I have described previously, it would have been over the Columbia River for several MINUTES. And what is the source of your claim that the airliner was SEVERAL MILES WEST OF THE COLUMBIA RIVER (which runs north and south at Tina Bar)? Robert99

About face to face meeting, I am not sure either but if you get confident info somewhere, do let me know. I'll correct it. I have gone through the printed radio transcripts of the whole hijacking up to the point of departure from Seattle to Reno, the ARNIC radio transcripts, Himmelsbach's book, and Tosaw's book without finding a mention of that face-to-face meeting. Nevertheless, I do remember seeing it somewhere in printed form. If I ever find the source, I'll let you know. Robert99

Really? Nothing like being condescending there. It's not 'as I call it'. It's REALITY. You want to know where the flight was at a given time...you go to either the pilot or the co-pilot. Unfortunately, Captain Scott has passed away. You've been pushing this '305 overflew Tina Bar and That's How The Money Got There and That's How Cooper Died' theory for more than a year. And it only occurred to you now to approach co-pilot Bill Rataczak about it? A guy whose recent talk to Northwest History Museum patrons on his Cooper experiences is available on DVD at their website? When you refer to 'we' you include some folks who not only are outright hate-mongers, but have been banned from Dropzone for their actions and/or posts. So save your condescending stuff for someone else. When people engage in trashing others or hateful posts...that's the point where I no longer take them seriously. Or the people who support them. It goes to CREDIBILITY, Robert. My advice is you stop listening to...and cease supporting anyone investigating the case who engages in hate-mongering or personal attacks. No one will take you seriously because they will realize you have a slanted agenda. The truth, when people do that, is secondary to other things. And people see through that stuff easier than you might believe. Blevins & Jo Weber, While going through Richard Tosaw's book this evening looking for something else, I came across some information on pages 107 and 108 that I am sure you will find interesting. I had actually read this several years ago but had forgotten about it. During the flight of the hijacked airliner from Seattle to Reno, NWA's Paul Soderlind, who according to Blevins is enshrined in something somewhere, came to the conclusion that Cooper jumped at 8:13 PST and he then immediately drew up the map that became known as the first landing zone even while the airliner was still airborne. Tosaw talked to Soderlind extensively about the events surrounding the hijacking. Soderlind reviewed the original data and drew up a second map for the landing zone. Tosaw took a look at the map and was surprised to see that Cooper could have landed in the Columbia River. In fact Tosaw was so surprised that he asked Soderlind to review his data once again. Soderlind did and came to the same results that Cooper could have landed in the Columbia River. And Soderlind told Tosaw that he had come to the same conclusion the night of the hijacking. That is, from the very night of the hijacking and even before the airliner had landed in Reno, Soderlind believed that Cooper could have landed in the Columbia River. Blevins and Jo will deny everything, but that 8:13 PM jump time would put the airliner almost directly over Tina Bar if the airliner took a shortcut from the area of the Mayfield Intersection to the Canby Intersection south of Portland. There is NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH that Cooper could have landed in the Columbia River if the flight path on the so-called "FBI Map" is correct (and it is NOT). Further, there is no reason to believe that Soderlind had anything to do with that map based on his statements about landing in the Columbia River. No doubt Blevins and Jo will continue to wish for a flight path that passed east of Portland in order to keep their Cooper candidates viable. But based on Tosaw's reporting of Soderlind's actions, no such flight path is possible. Robert99

Matt made the address you listed "clickable".

Thousandthings, Those cartoons are nice. And your statement about Jeppesen is correct as those charts were preferred by airline and professional pilots over the standard government charts. However, the aircraft you show in the cartoon is a McDonald-Douglas DC-10 (or maybe a DC-11) which came along about a decade after the Boeing 727. And despite all the horror stories you have heard, there is nothing in the weather records to indicate that such a storm actually happened. In fact, there is nothing in the records to indicate any clouds above the 5000 foot ASL overcast and the airliner was flying at 10,000 feet ASL. If my memory is correct, it was an FAA (not FBI) man who wanted to meet Cooper face-to-face to tell him that he was getting into trouble by hijacking that airplane. I suspect that Cooper was already aware of that. Robert99

A news FLASH for U. The additional insurance was underwritten by such companies as the one I have noted. The premium was high, but they were NOT declined. Jo, A news FLASH for U! The US Government self-insures. Its employee life insurance policies are not underwritten by commercial companies. Robert99 Note so I screwed up the whatever for Air Traffic control ... you knew what I meant & so did others. The government provides insurance, but if the person want supplemental insurance they have to purchase it on their own. I explained that the Air Traffic Controller had insurance based on their income, but when their hours were cut so was their income and the insurance is often based based on income. When they went to regular companies they were denied supplemental insurance based on their employment. If they wanted more coverage to cover the gaps they had to purchase it from companies that took HIGH RISK occupations, but at an extremely high rate depending on their occupation and recreational risk. The company I mentioned provided the supplemental policies...but these policies were supplements for what they qualified with the government. Yes, these companies were misleading making it appear the were sanctioned by the Government - but what it was - was a HIGH RISK supplemental policy. YOU seemingly ignore that the insurance the goverment provided was based on income. NOT sufficient insurance to cover their needs. Most high risk came back with moderate increases over the normal - but not so with Air Traffic Controllers. Air traffic controllers are HIGH risk or they were in 1971....the government did not offer enough in most cases to pay off the mortages on their homes in the event of death. These guys did not qualify for additional LIFE insurance outside of what the goverment provide - other than high risk policies... WHAT do you not GET about that?So I screwed up the initials - but most of the time I type with a tremendous amount of pain...due to an incident with my hand. Evidently you have never been married and did not have a wife & children who you wanted to protect with enough money to provide their continued life style...if you were no longer in the picture & your income was no longer there. Jo, You have still got it wrong. But I am not going to waste any more time on your insurance nonsense. Robert99

A news FLASH for U. The additional insurance was underwritten by such companies as the one I have noted. The premium was high, but they were NOT declined. Jo, A news FLASH for U! The US Government self-insures. Its employee life insurance policies are not underwritten by commercial companies. Robert99

Jo, My post on this is CORRECT. And would you answer this question which I will repeat again. What do the initials "AFT" stand for? Finally, the US Government insurance didn't have anything to do with risk. But the commercial insurance companies would not normally insure aviators but they might insure ground personnel with an aviation exclusion in the policy. So you don't seem to know as much about insurance as you have been claiming. Robert99

Evidently you know ZERO about me! Insurance - I know it inside and out. I have been a licensed insurance agent since 1973 before I ever met Duane. My first husband was a career life insurance agent. Duane was a life insurance agent. I have been licensed first in Georgia and then in Virginia, Colorado, Alabama and then in Florida. I may have missed a couple of states. . . . . . Now you know something about me - I am 74 yrs old & If my health permits I will teach these kids a thing or two about intergity. Oh we were talking about Insurance - right . Same principal. YOU are not an insurance person - so stop trying to talk like one......same principals apply. If you have to lie to sell insurance or in you case your story you need to know what you are up against. GOOD NIGHT. Jo, Congratulations! But you are still full of baloney when you claim that US Government employees, including Air Traffic Controllers and FBI agents, couldn't purchase additional life insurance through the US Government itself. This is additional to the life insurance that was included in their basic employment benefits package. The insurance company that you named in your original post undoubtedly had the following remark, or its equivalent, in their fine print, "Not Affiliated With The US Government", despite what their name might lead the unwary to think. If not, they could probably expect to hear from the FBI and DOJ. You DO NOT have a single seconds experience with the US Government types of life insurance. I have decades and decades of experience with it including a policy that is active on this very day. Despite your lecture, you are still blowing smoke about both life insurance and Duane Weber. Dream on! Robert99

Blevins, You are totally unaware of what has been going on in the DB Cooper matter for about the last two years. But it has nothing to do with KC or Duane Weber. And we are headed towards the "real source" as you call it. Robert99

Redaction is a wording that is miss leading! Saving grace is more like it. My discussion with individuals I do not reveal - know those redactions are not redactions...but information that the FBI never had. It is called saving GRACE! FACE the truths - if they were simple redactions there would be no REASON after 43 yrs to withhold those redactions. They never had those minutes - other than a handwritten transcript out of Portland and they did NOT have that until after Sluggo entered the picture and the exited. What was found was confiscated after Sluggo figure it out...only after his discussion with me. Now the Portland transcripts are gone forever! Smarty Pants on FIRE - why don't YOU find out who the name of the 2 guys from Atlanta on loan to the ATF in Seattle for 2 wks in Nov of 1971...it should be public record. ATF - they had a hard time getting insurance coverage - if they could get it at all. ATF was in a battle about the pay and their time and insurance coverage....check it out. IT was a heavy burden in 1971 and for many yrs after that. ATF employee had threatened a walk out at one time. ATF individuals had a beef - a very public beef about this. CHECK it out. THe motive for the skyjacking is in the ATF history. Seek and yea shall find! WHAT did you say you did for a living in 1971? What did you say you did for a living thur out the course of you life? What Qualifies you to put anyone one who has made legitimate claims down? You use this thread to publically denounce others without one bit of proof. Where is your proof? What are you credentials? Where do you get your so called information (if you say Georger - you loose)!?! Jo, YOUR claims are NOT legitimate. You use this thread to push a fairy tale for which YOU DO NOT have one bit of proof. What are YOUR own credentials? Actually, you already know at least a part of mine. And I get my information on the redactions by reading the transcripts that have the areas of redaction clearly marked on them. The FBI had the transcripts from both the Seattle ATC Center and the Oakland ATC Center in hand by about a week after the hijacking. You might visit Sluggo's web page, or other online sites such as this thread, to see if you can locate those transcripts. The Oakland ATC Center's transcript is not redacted but the Seattle ATC Center's transcript that was publicly released was redacted. What does the ATF, which you use above, refer to? You also misrepresent the life insurance that was available to the Air Traffic Control personnel. As US Government employees, they had a specified amount of "free" life insurance as a part of their employment benefits. And they could purchase additional amounts of life insurance through the US Government if they so desired. Your post above is just more nonsense. Robert99

Blazer, I though you said in your first post here that you had read the previous posts. If you did, you should have noticed that Blevins and Jo Weber were among the leaders in the very things you mention above. You apparently missed all the fun here from a few years ago. And you may need to set down before reading the following, but all theories are NOT created equal. Robert99

Blevins, I'm afraid that I am NOT afraid of the truth about KC. And I doubt very much if Georger is either. Further, I am NOT motivated by fear concerning KC and, again, I doubt very much if Georger is either. My personal opinion of you was formed after watching your sleazy efforts to demean KC's character. So you just want to find out if KC was Cooper? Did you finish your screenplay about KC? Has one of the film companies that you say you have negotiated with over the years decided to make a movie on KC? Perhaps the Decoded people would be interested in making a TV series on your claims about KC. I'm sure your efforts to make another buck over KC's dead body will continue. Robert99

Blevins, You have either ignored or provided flippant and/or incorrect answers to the previous questions put to you. So your quote above fits you perfectly. Robert99 Nah. You're just mad because I challenged how you could magically move the hijacked flight clear to the west side of the Interstate 5 freeway without presenting a single shred of evidence on how this could have happened. And your answer of 'there are reasons to believe' (that this happened) don't count. 'Cause you didn't GIVE any reasons. As far as questions regarding Kenny Christiansen, you have said several times that (parapharased) there is absolutely NO chance in hell (in your opinion) that he could be Cooper. So why would you continue asking questions about him if you believe that? Some things regarding Christiansen I won't make public, especially before the Seattle FBI sees them. You want answers to delicate questions? Do like others do and email. Otherwise quit whining. Do you realize that a few people I actually trust already HAVE the full report on Christiansen, the big one that I worked on since last May? Seen anybody post about that? Seen anybody make it public? Why not, you ask? Because those folks don't have an agenda, deal with people straight, and can be trusted.

Jo, You can deny it all you want, but the FBI was given a full transcript of the Seattle ATC Center's communications with the airliner and the FBI made 19 redactions in that transcript. Those redacted areas are shown in the Seattle transcripts that the FBI released. In addition, WSHM personnel have stated that there are also redactions in the communications that were done over the ARINC radio and teletype systems. You are the one who is lying through your teeth here. And just exactly what are your qualifications again? Assuming, of course, that you have any. Robert99

THERE WAS NO "COMPLETE COPY OF THE COMMUNICATIONS". WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO AS THE 19 AREAS LATER REDACTED???? THEY LOST COMMUNICATION FOR SEVERAL MINUTES & PORTLAND STEPPED IN & TRIED TO PICK THEM UP. THOSE MINUTES WERE TAKEN BY HAND. Jo, The entire communications between the Seattle ATC Center and the airliner, including radar information, was recorded on tape. There were no lost communications in the Seattle and Portland areas. All you need to do to see the 19 areas of redactions is to take a look at the Seattle ATC Center transcripts which cover everything between the takeoff in Seattle and the hand off to the Oakland Center near the Fort Jones VORTAC in Northern California. There were no "lost" ATC communications. Robert99

YOU KNOW THAT MCCHORD & PORTLAND ALSO MONITORED THIS. NOT SURE WHAT MCCHORD WAS DOING OTHER THAN TRACKING THE FLIGHT, BUT PORTLAND TRIED TO PICK-UP COMMUNICATIONS WHEN SEATTLE LOST CONTACT.... THE PORTLAND MINUTES DISAPPEARED AT A LATER DATE - PROOF THEY TRIED TO INTERCEPT THE COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM.... I WAS NOT TOLD WHAT WAS IN THOSE MINUTES BUT WHEN "OTHERS" LEARNED OF THEIR EXISTENCE - THEY WENT POOF. THE RECORDS WHERE THERE WHEN I STARTED MY SEARCH & AS SOON AS THE FBI OR OTHERS LEARNED I KNEW ABOUT THE QLICH - THE RECORDS IN PORTLAND WENT POOF. SOMEONE IN PORTLAND WAS DOING A MANUAL TRANSCRIPT BY LISTENING TO THE COMMUNICATIONS. Evidently they did not have a way of recording them, but able to monitor. THOSE MINUTES ARE NOT JUST MISSING THEY HAVE BEEN DESTROYED THERE CAN BE NO REDACTIONS OF WHAT SEATTLE NEVER HAD. You do everything you can to discredit anyone...so what is you role - and how are you involved? Jo, Your continued efforts to ignore simple truths counter-productive. Seattle ATC Center DID record those radio communications and those tapes were used to prepare the paper transcripts the very next day. The only question here is what you are getting out of your efforts related to Duane Weber. You might also consider how much egg you want to have on your face when this is over. Robert99

WELL, ROBERT99 THE SAME CAN & IS REFLECTIVE OF YOUR OWN BIAS OR PURPOSE. PERHAPS YOU NEED TO PROVIDE THE POSTERS WITH ALL OF YOUR HISTORY. YOU HAVE MORE THAN A PASSING INTEREST IN THE SUBJECT - WHY? Jo, Why don't you take your own advice and provide all the posters with all of your history. And I mean the TRUE version. Precisely when did you and Duane Weber start checking into the DB Cooper hijacking? And what did the two of you expect to get out of those efforts? Robert99

Jo Weber has something to say about this & I have kept this to myself for a long time - hoping beyond all hope the FBI and SEATTLE would fess up! There was a brief mention of the problem - but I will not reveal that at this time. The so called redaction was quickly glossed over. YOU have a PROBLEM ROBERT99....ONE U ARE ACTUALLY AWARE OF! UN-REDACTIONS OF THE SEATTLE ATC RADIO SCRIPTS ARE NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.[because the never had those minutes to start with]. THAT IS WHEN THE CONTACT WAS LOST! I HAVE TRIED TO EXPLAIN THIS - BUT, NO ONE LISTENS. THEY WERE NOT REDACTED BY THE FBI TO HIDE ANYTHING....THEY ACTUALLY NEVER HAD TRANSCRIPTS FOR THOSE FEW MOMENTS...THAT IS WHEN THE GLICH HAPPENED & IT WAS CAUSED OF THE SYSTEM ITSELF OR THE OPERATORS... THE SKYJACKING WAS PLANNED & THE INCIDENT WITH THE RADIO COMMUNICATIONS WAS PLANNED. NOT ABLE TO REDACT SOMETHING YOU NEVER HAD IN THE FIRST PLACE. Jo, As you already know, the Chief of the Seattle ATC Center certified that a COMPLETE copy of the communications with the airliner was being provided to the FBI. That certification included the 19 areas that were later redacted by the FBI. Your claim otherwise is beyond laughable. And so are your efforts to portray Duane Weber as The Great American Hero. Robert99