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Anyone who confuses passion with expertise is a fool. I've often found that the louder they shout, the less reliable the information is.

Yes and no. In general the cops read the Miranda rights on arrest. In part because it's really rare for them not to do some sort of questioning then and there. If a suspect volunteers information before being informed of their rights, that's fine. If a cop asks for information before the 'reading of the rights', any of that information may be disqualified from use at trial. At the 'formal' interrogation, the rights are read again, and the arrestee is generally asked to sign a form that they have been read and understand their rights.

Don't forget that both Abbot in Texas and DeSantis in Florida are both blaming Biden and the 'illegal immigrants flooding across the border' for the surge in Covid. The low vaccination rates? Lack of masks? That has nothing to do with it.

Even on 'ignore', stuff quoted will show up. But, again, just because it's there doesn't mean a response is mandatory.

Yeah. Trump knew he lost. He knew the election was legit. He tried to do everything he could to steal it anyway. Of course, the idiots will still believe it was 'stolen' from him. 'Cuz they believe him. And they're idiots.

Yup. Nobody has to read his garbage. Nobody has to reply to it.

Well, technically, 350 million shots have gone into American arms. Just some of them were the same arm a second time. It's an understandable mistake. Every president has made them. In this case, the White House admitted & corrected it fairly quickly. I'll agree with Jerry. Despite the occasional mistake, he's NOT Trump. I don't recall Trump ever admitting to a mistake.

Seen on FB: We need to stop using the cliche "Avoid it like the plague". If we've learned anything in the last year,, it's that people will NOT, in fact, avoid an actual plague.

I'm actually ok with the morons culling themselves. They're certainly doing a good job of it right now. Daily deaths were 725, 7 day average is 450 and rising. Virtually all the deaths are unvaxed.

There's also the fact that, in the US, a death certificate is a legal document. Intentionally falsifying them (you know, like the cause of death) is a crime.

FIFY.

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Hi Jerry, I don't know how it is where you are, but the power companies around here are actually pretty proactive about conservation. One thing they do is advise people to get energy audits, and even offer discounts through 'recommended contractors'. They put fliers in the bill envelopes with big print asking 'Do you want to cut your energy bill?' I agree that Bill's posts are informative. I don't always agree with him. But I almost always learn something.

Oh, come on Professor. In the first case, those people are being told to do something they don't want to do. In the second, they are telling others what to do. Nothing surprising or fascinating about hypocrisy.

Thank you for the response. If he was a 'state level department head', he wouldn't have much direct experience. The number of ER & ICU docs & nurses that have been screaming at people to take this seriously is a lot more convincing to me. I agree that the most vulnerable were, well, most vulnerable. That's why nursing homes were hit so hard in the beginning. Fortunately, a lot of them took measures to keep it out, and kept their residents from catching it and dying. That age group was the first to get the vaccine, and as a result, deaths in that age group are among the lowest, instead of the highest. Death rate varies a lot. Depends on what population group, what sort of health care is available, even reporting capabilities. Early on, New York realized that the total death rate (all causes, just counting bodies) was elevated. The excess mortality was beyond the excess caused by confirmed Covid. They came to the conclusion that many of those deaths were likely from Covid, even though they weren't confirmed to be. Average population, with decent medical care, runs somewhere between one and two percent. Take away the medical care (India for example) and the number goes up considerably. Maybe 10% with zero care. Flu deaths were quite low. Pediatric deaths have run 150-200 for the past few years. 2020-2021 had ONE reported death. Not quite 'zero', but close. CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2020-2021/PedFlu05.html Professor Kallend has stated that he usually caught 3 or 4 colds per year, but the 'anti-viral' measures put in place to mitigate the spread of Covid kept him from catching any. I'm in a similar position. No sickness whatever in the past year and a half. Primary cause along with subsidiary causes (Comorbidities, which I'm thinking is a term you know) can be a bit confusing. Wendy had it right. Regardless of what other conditions the person had, if they wouldn't have died at that time without catching Covid, then Covid caused the death. Just because cancer or something made them more vulnerable, that doesn't mean it wasn't Covid that killed them. That might be one reason the cancer deaths dropped. People that would have died in weeks or months from the cancer died in days from Covid. That doesn't change the fact that they died from Covid. India saw huge numbers of deaths a month or so ago because they were the first to see the Delta variant. They have low vax rates. Health care isn't as advanced or widely available. It wasn't just 'poor areas with almost no hygiene', it was everywhere. The numbers have dropped rather dramatically, as have the numbers in the UK. There's no good understanding of why. It does give hope that the Delta variant outbreak (resurgence, fourth wave, whatever) we're seeing here in the US will wane in the coming weeks. I hope so. CDC is now recommending masks for everyone (vax or not) indoors where the spread is 'significant' or 'high'. As of Friday, that includes all of Wisconsin. So I've gone back to the mask in stores and such. Yay. I absolutely hate the things. But the idea of catching or spreading it is something I hate much more.

You have to remember that Ron's version of a 'traitor' is not quite in line with most people.

Remember last winter, before the vaccine was widely available? Cases were soaring, ICUs were full, records for all sorts of bad things were being set. The worst one week number for new cases was back in January, with the week ending Jan 10 seeing 111, 574 new cases. With low vax rates, idiotic rules not allowing places to refuse the unvaxed or even ask about vax status, Florida is again seeing a large spike in new cases. Roughly 20% (one in five) new cases is in Florida. 110, 724 last week. Deaths and hospitalizations are nowhere near where they were last winter, because those who are vaccinated are waaaaay less likely to end up in the hospital or dead. Edit to add: Link to the story I got the numbers from. Oops. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-florida-coronavirus-friday-july-30-20210731-vj3bsqocabb4xg2fms7zbeenjq-story.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Breaking News&utm_content=3701627691438&fbclid=IwAR305-jSmPchz6ex8UhJrpZO5SR1zcZmJGjB8QUdbxF9b5L8FzKET4AlyL0#nws=true

They had the 'Red Summer', where returning veterans clashed with blacks over jobs. Unions were also having a hard time of it, being called 'socialists' and getting attacked by the corporate thugs (backed by the cops). But that didn't affect the "Black Wall Street" in Tulsa all that much.

Who loves ya, baby?

What would that be? "Don't follow con men?" "Don't pretend that Trump has anything resembling 'morals'?" "The people who pretend that they are going to be big and tough won't do a damned thing when the going actually gets tough?" The Republicans will support treason and insurrection to stay in power?" Hi Jerry, There have been a bunch of these idiots who don't seem to understand that this is 'real'. Including Green, Gaetz, Gosar & Gohmert. They tried to visit the 'political prisoners' in jail for the Jan 6 insurrection attempt. They were denied (go figure). They made a big stink about it. So as a result, a defendant looking to get conditions of release modified was refused. https://www.rawstory.com/alex-harkrider/?fbclid=IwAR1o1DVFpQhGzxCW5bnMQJt5Bf8p1RCSVG_3iTnOVmKp1w_suHqANMPdNWw

The massacre was in 1921. In 1919, there was a thriving, prosperous and vibrant black community in Tulsa. Many were wealthy. Many were well educated. It was a great example of what a "black community" could look like. So the whites destroyed it.

In a somewhat amusing development, the idea of 'fake vaccination documents' has finally come up in the media. Canada is allowing foreign nationals to enter, provided they have proof of vaccination. So a couple of idiots faked up their 'proof' and visited Toronto... And got caught. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/two-travellers-from-u-s-fined-20-000-each-for-fake-vaccination-documents-1.5529627?cid=sm%3Atrueanthem%3Actvnews%3Apost&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A New Content (Feed)&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR21blKB7aim0ZOuaVGFBuLFTUiD0qk0ol3637d8IW1RTp4EYLdXO84VFjg Oops.

That's hilarious. The position of 'your side' 4 years ago was 'You lost. Get over it.' Somehow it's not super surprising that people who worship the Confederate flag can't accept the idea that Trump lost the election.

Good riddance. His pillows are shit. The money back guarantee is fake. The "lowest price ever" or "Buy one get one free" ads are fraudulent (the price was never higher, so calling it a 'sale' is fraud). The Better Business Bureau rated him at "F" several years ago due to complaints.

Fair enough. It looked like a standard "C&P". Just out of curiosity, why do you believe this one "retired public health doctor" and refuse to believe thousands of current doctors? You do understand that the flu is a virus, and all the measures people were taking to prevent the spread of Covid were also effective at preventing the spread of the flu, right? Look at the death rate among kids. The flu is very hard on kids, Covid isn't. Yet the flu death rates among kids last winter was very minimal. And if all the "Fake Covid" deaths were from other, 'common causes', please explain the excess mortality. Death rates have been reasonably steady for a while. Yet, during the pandemic, there were a huge number of deaths. Far above average. Google search result (pick your own source): https://www.google.com/search?q=excess+mortality+2020&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS910US910&oq=Excess+mortality+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i512l9.5958j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 And this didn't just happen in the US, it happened world wide. The US is easy to find stats on because we track deaths quite well. Look at India a couple months ago. They were cremating people in parking lots because the formal facilities were overwhelmed. It's been reported that Africa is seeing far more Covid deaths than are being reported. It's not easy to determine for sure, mainly because they don't keep track of dead people as well. South Africa does probably the best job on the continent, and as of May, they reported 55k Covid deaths, yet over 130k excess deaths. Estimates vary, but many are thinking that Covid likely caused about 85% of those excess deaths. https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/safricas-covid-19-death-toll-much-higher-than-official-tally-report-2021-05-13/