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By "it", do mean an FAR that says you must have, have open, and/or, have open to the correct page, the manual for the container and reserve when packing? I didn't see any FAR's in there with any of those requirements. The title of that document is, "Chapter 110 Inspect FAR Part 149 Parachute Loft" dated 8/13/93. Are you aware that FAR Part 149 no longer exists? If it isn't an FAR, then it isn't an FAR. Again, can you reference an FAR that supports your position? Derek

"I walked away from the landing."= Right call. Hard to argue with sucess. Derek

Same one you went to, I guess. This document?: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf64/128768_web.pdf You would think if it was law, the FAA would publish it. Otherwise, how can anyone be expected to follow it? If you have it, what does it say about manuals and reserve packing? Derek

Do you mean this document?: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf35/53725_web.pdf I couldn't find anything in it. Also, the pre-mable to a NPRM is not an FAR and if it isn't an FAR, then it isn't law. Derek

Keep in mind what is legal isn't always smart and what is smart isn't always legal. All the FAR says is you have to understand the instructions. It says nothing about having them, having them open, or having them open to the correct page. That is the letter of the law. Any interpretation beyond that is adding to or changing the FAR. I understand and agree a rigger should have the manual within arm reach while packing a reserve and it should be an FAR, but it isn’t. I personally have spent the money for a binder and page protectors for every manual to make it easy to have open next to me while packing. It lays flat and is easy to flip pages. The DPRE handbook and Performance Standards do not state that the manual has to be there and open either. It does make sense to do exactly that, especially during your test though. A few questions from my studying of the FAR’s and TSO’s: Can you pack a PD-113R into a Mirage? Can you legally pack a container that the manufacturer has issued a SB for that hasn’t been applied? Who can alter a main parachute? Is it against the FAR’s to drink alcohol while packing a reserve? What are the FAA requirements to be a current Parachutist in Command? Does the FAA require a FAA medical certificate to act as a Parachutist in Command? What minimum equipment and training is required by the FAA to jump solo out of an airplane? Are jump ships operated under part 91 required to follow TBO hour requirements set forth by the engine’s manufacturer? The FAA couldn’t care less about skydiver’s safety. The FAR’s are in place to protect the public, not skydivers. Derek

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Do you have some thin wire handy? Why did you pull it out? It is more cosmetic than anything. Derek

So, by by my posts in this thread, is 'my guy' president right now or no? Derek

Gotta give him credit, he owned up to it and played it off. I'm nota huge Bush fan, but I don't think it is fair to call him a moron for trying to open a locked door, in a foreign country no less. Derek

I agree that it is funny, but I don't think trying to open a locked door makes one a moron. Derek

Then I am moron too. Derek

The NBL has a safety policy where the first line was, "All accidents can be prevented". I don't think that is possible, but more can be prevented if you have that attitude. Same thing for bikes. Excellent. Got more gear (full set), and replaced the turn signals with LED's and chopped the rear fender. Ya, that sucks, you guys were great to ride with. Derek

I think I understand and agree with what you are trying to say. You have to have the attitude that everyone else is trying to kill you, doesn't see you, and if they do see you, won't yield anyway. You have to take it upon yourself to be prepared for anyone/everyone to cut you off, fail to yield, etc. If you have the attitude that it is your responsibility to avoid any and all accidents, you will be much more likely to do so than if you rely on others to do their fair share. Similar to flying a HP canopy. You take on the responsibility of avoiding collisions since slower canopies can;t get out of the way even if they see you coming. Am I on-target? Oh ya, BASE is much more dangerous. Derek

Like you have never pushed instead of pulled, pulled instead of pushed, or tried to open a door you didn't know was locked. Does that make you a moron? Derek

A lot, thanks Brian. Derek

You would make a good target, just make sure to wear you JFTC jumpsuit. Ya, a lot of diving down to a formation is depth perception and being able to stop quickly and in time. Over shooting a dive is serious because of the speeds involved. The tunnel would not be a good training tool for diving or tracking. Derek

This one?: http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgOrders.nsf/0/14c115fcae79293486256ea000572074/$FILE/8610.5J.pdf Or this one?: http://av-info.faa.gov/data/practicalteststandard/faa-s-8081-25.pdf I don’t see in either one where it says you have to have the correct page of the manual open or you fail. It does say you must demonstrate that you can use the manual by flaking and closing the rig according to the manufacturer’s instructions. If you do not know if it is an FAR or not, why did you say it was? The rigging FAR's (65 and 105) would take more than 20 minutes to go through, not a week. What does “effectively a law” mean? It either is or it isn’t. If it isn’t an FAR, then it isn’t an FAR. I would think that would work very well. If it isn’t an FAR, it isn’t an FAR. I don’t damn well know it. There is an FAA Inspector at the Denver FSDO that is up to speed on the FAR’s pertaining to rigging. He doesn’t just make up FAR’s. In my experience, the FAA tends to interpret the FAR’s exactly as they are written. If it doesn’t say you must have the manuals open to the exact page for the step you are on, then you don’t have to. If the FAR’s say a Senior Parachute Rigger may alter a main parachute, then they can. This is like the discussion about if a reserve is loaded over the TSO’d max weight, is it illegal to jump. According to the FAR’s, yes it is legal. Why? Because there isn’t an FAR that says it isn’t. An interesting tidbit; It used to be against the FAR’s to skydive under the influence of alcohol, but that FAR was removed. Derek

I wonder if it was the guy that does the stage lighting for the Trans Siberian Orchestra. Derek

If the instructions say flat pack, then you have to flat pack. I think most of the manufacturers have embraced reserve PRO packing. There are exceptions though. As for the instructions, you just have to understand them. Unless someone can show me another FAR that says different. Look through AC-105-2C, Part 65 and 105, and see if you can find anything. Derek

Show me where it says that in the FAR's. I can pack a Javelin, Mirage, or Vector II or III, etc. without opening the manual just like I can pack a main without opening the manual. I don't do that, I have the manual handy as a reference to make sure. But the FAR's don't say you have to have it in front of you, just have to understand the instructions. Derek

I can't find an FAR that says that. The only FAR I can find is Part 65: "(f) Exercise the privileges of his certificate and type rating unless he understands the current manufacturer's instructions for the operation involved and has -- " You don't even have to physiacally have them, just understand them. Can you reference a different FAR that is more specific? AC-105-2C States: "a. The assembly or mating of approved parachute components from different manufacturers may be made by a certificated appropriately rated parachute rigger or parachute loft in accordance with the parachute manufacturer's instructions and without further authorization by the manufacturer or the FAA. Specifically, when various parachute components are interchanged, the parachute rigger should follow the canopy manufacturer's instructions as well as the parachute container manufacturer's instructions. However, the container manufacturer's instructions take precedence when there is a conflict between the two." That only covers assembly though. A lot of riggers apply that to the packing also. I PRO pack all sport square reserves (xcept for a couple of special cases) because they pack cleaner and open cleaner. Derek

So you are saying that because no one is an angel, it is OK if Skyride steals, cheats, etc? Derek

I was an Instructor, Cobaltdan wasn't/isn't. To say that Cobalts are used for and make good student canopies (the largest Cobalt is a 170) is irresponsible and reckless. He has been caught in B.S. many times. Where are the Crossfire wind tunnel tests, top skin attachments determine # of cells, you should drop 2 sizes to jump a Cobalt, 1.2-1.4 for beginners, etc. That is why they get hammered, they ask for it. As I have posted before, I used to jump an Alpha 94 (early Cobalt) and really liked it. I don't have a problem with the canopy, just the companies claims and marketing. Derek

I like'em. I have enough room to put all the info I want to log in them. The trade off is less entries per book. They aren't that expensive, $8.00 for every couple of hundered pack jobs is not a large expense. You can always get a notebook and put thousands of entries in it. Derek

There are 3 Atair canopies. The Cobalt, the H-Mod Cobalt, and the Oynx, a Cross braced canopy. Derek