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Well I would like to see ya bust a big phat 270 on a T-10, then you'll really be a big bad ass canopy pilot..... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I do, I think we should just ban all square canopies and put and end to the issue all together once and for all..... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Yes I can, and in more then one way. Not that hard to do even with a wrist mount dial, or has been pointed out many times already, by using my eyes to look at the big ass planet getting bigger. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Next time your doing a solo or other easy dive, take note that "falling out of the blue umbrella and into the green bowl, starts around 3 grand" could a little higher depending on what part of the world your in. When your at 5 grand the blue will be all around you to the horizon, as you keep going the green will start to fill more of the horizons around you, the lower you go the more green will fill the horizons. In other words, you don't have to be looking stright down to see your getting low. As someone else posted @ 1500 ft the planet is pretty friken big. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

you gizmo dependant kids of the new school classes. pay attention to the old farts advice kid...... hey, there's a novel idea...... it amazes me when whenever this comes up in conversation around the dz. My altimeters are just a guide, they can stop working at any time. It's always a good idea to know how big stuff should be around pull time. I know it takes a little time to get used to, but we really need to be paying attention out there. The dirt don't move....... *** Yea who would have thunk it, falling out of the blue umbrella and into the green bowl, starts around 3 grand and if you can't see the big ass planet and need some beeping in your ear to tell ya, it might be a good idea to take up golf or at least turn off your AAD! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

How funny I was just messing with mine too the other day. I haven't really played with it on this lens much before but now I can see doing some more like this later on, not bad for the first few try's. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I have always been paid for paying demos and not been paid for the free ones. As for rate of pay it would depend on the demo and what you ask of me as to how much I will charge. Most of the time is 100.00 to get on the plane without any flags or smoke and nothing special. Anything special we'll have to talk. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I got mine. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Just because it's older, don't mean it's junk, the sweethogs were well known to be over built and very tough rigs. No reason to rule them out till you see them I just helped a girl buy a 1989 Sweethog complete rig that was a closet queen and looked to be brand new with the current late 90's cypres mods and a MR 150 and a reven 1 main for 600.00 bucks, it fits her like made custom, now all she needs is an AAD and she jumping for less then the cost of a new HC. So it depends on WHY your looking at them and what you want to spend and what you want to do with it. Sorry I don't have a photo handy of one. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Why? you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

***3) With more volume comes Economies of Scale and cheaper products with equal profit and quality.*** That is not what happened in the boom of the 90's, the prices have kept going up, only the Dolphin rig was geared towards low cost, but it wern't cool enough for the fashionable jumper crowd that is ordering gear these days. It's the cycle of life, we had our boom time, now it's bust time. This is not all bad it weeds out those "flash in the pan" jumpers and leaves only those who really want to jump, because it's jumping and not a "country club" fashon show in the sky. We've all seen them come and go, and we'll see um again when the next boom happends, till then it's not such a bad thing to have DZ's close up shop, some don't need to be in business and have done nothing but rob people of their cash and give the sport a black eye. I'm watching right now a DZ breath it's last gasps of air before it die's, it has been a slow painful death to watch. Everyone but the DZO knows that the DZ is done and has been done for some time now. In fact it's the DZO who is to blame, they piss of everyone by treating them like shit and acting as if they didn't need the "up Jumpers" and staff were a dime a dozen and after a while everyone left. They leave to go to the "other" place, and after 6 seasons of doing this there is no one left. You can't even get a 4 way together out of a 182 it's so bad. And TDM's are being charged the same or more then the "other" turbine DZ's, for a 182 jump and it takes all day for them to get on a load. I watched 6 to 7 TDM's take all day to get done, and two of them were back the next day because they couldn't get um up before sundown and they had been there all day. I read the numbers USPA put's out. Yes the sport is in decline and has been. It started on or just before 9-11, and in a post 9-11 world people are to worried about war and keeping their jobs from being sent to India or china. With the hight cost of a TDM or Lv. 1 AFF we have priced the sport out of reach of many people in todays market. Many dz's have done away with the SL programs in favor of fast cash, no time involved training of TDM's. So the sport is really to blame for shooting it's self in the foot and keeping people away, it's only a ride now that anyone can do, old, young, male, female, skinny, and way to fucking fat! You used to have to earn it and not everyone could do it. Even broke ass collage students could afford SL jumps, but most DZ's won't offer it any more due to greed and keeping up with the trends. So add in a bunch of "up jumpers" who want a fast turbine air fleet, the tunnel on the dz, maga pro shop, swimming pool, sports bar , full service resturant, maid service to clean up after them and full service rigging shop on the dz, yet don't want to pay the price to keep those things they want, they want to ride the backs of the TDM students and have them pay for it all, so they can cry about 22.00 lift tickets. Then you have the DZO's who want to pay 25 bucks or less for stills and video, and expect you to fork out 3 grand or more for the equipment to do the job (not counting the rigs) and yet try getting a sitting for photography at a studio for 25.00 bucks or less for photography that no one has to risk their life to take! Oh and god forbid you lose a camera while doing one of these cheap jobs, you can bet the DZO will rush right in with their check book to replace the stuff you lost, after all the money they made from the TDM's. Yea right..... Having people and DZ's leave the sport is not all bad, it makes for cheap used gear and cheap used planes for those who run a real a business and not a hang out bar for frat boy drop outs disguised as a dropzone. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I got an extra blast handle I could send ya. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

DYI. or visit your local seamstress. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Rootbeer works too...LOL you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Case of beer! Case of beer ! Case of beer! Case of beer! will be owed for that jump too ! So be sure to bring four cases of some really good shit to the dropzone tomorrow, now don't even think of "good shit" being no keystone light shit, I mean some real beer! (they'll love ya forever) p.s. congrats you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Post: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So WHEN will that happen? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When it becomes more painful not to.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I suppose you're correct...unfortunate as well that it comes to that. Haven't we lost enough already? Haven't we had enough pain to make attitude adjustments? My point is, in my short view from a long time is, there have always been the ones that (fill in blank) attitude around, but today there are more of um, their louder and faster today and accidents are more spectacular cuz everything is faster and smaller and we do stupid moves close to the ground as never before and every body digs it, kind of like a airshow every day of the week and we have a ton of airshow pilots around looking for a crowd to oooh and ahhhh. But sooner or later people (general public) will get their fill of the mainstream Extream crap and it will fade again back to less people dig'n it and they'll move on, so you'll see less flash in the pans as we do now, till the next cycle come around again and it will be the early 90 all over again, only by then your really going to have to have some real money for lift tickets. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Weel at least thesayyys not askern for cuntry and western too. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

(I think you know this) You will never see a post from the dad or DZO defending the kids actions, because it can't be defended, period. As the wise Mr. Keenan once said, "These things have a way of working out." you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

So then why don't you share with us all what three dropzones you jump at? I mean you have nothing to hide, right? I'm sure you wouldn't mind sharing with all of us the names of the dz's and the dzo's name. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Now why is it myself and I'm sure most everyone else here is NOT surprised you fail to even start to grasp the concept of the point I was trying to make. They have a leagle term for it. Any of our resident Lawyers care to chim in here and explain it. hint: setting or standing pres....... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

As well as the first place people looking for infomation would turn to in order the back up their point or claims, say like a lawyers office seeking infomation on the "industry standards" and now we have it from at least one major company as to their views of what the standards are in their view and I'm sure RWS will say the same www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2818662#2818662 Anyone who condones or dose this from now on in the good ol US of A better be ready to defend their actions in a court of law if you live thru the impact, just ask Jason Yasuda the camera man who hit Sean Crossman and now is being sued for 2 million by the estate and children. Lucky for him he only took the TM and not the student too or he might be getting sued for 4 million. If you think the dz waver will save you from to cost to defend civil suits, you had better think again. So Jarrett are you willing to risk your dads house, car, and everything else he has worked for as long as you have been alive? And to you Mr. DZO who would let him keep doing so, are you also willing to risk the cost to defend this minors actions you were paying him to do, in a court of law ??? Not trying to pick on ya Jarrett dude, but trying to get you to look at this from another point of view you may not have thought of yet, the leagle ramifacitions for all the players involved, the lawyers love to sue everyone (right Mr. RW) and your under age, guess who they will seek money the from. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Here is one. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I'm on week 5 as of Monday and doing ok, still hack'n up black crap now and then and that helps to be a real good reminder as to why I quit and need to stay a non smoker, 25 yrs of cowboy killers is enough. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Well that's good, I'm not trying to impress you. Those were expressed by myself and many others in the fourms and PMs and the reply was fuck off. This is the second pissing contest with this young man about those videos from what I understand. If he is going throw shit at people, then shit will be thrown back! You call it bragging, I call it pointing out the fact I too was a 16 year old skydiver at one time myself and have a tad bit of insight as to what it is like to be a 16 year old jumper in an adult world, my guess is you can't say the same and there for stoop to saying I'm bragging about it. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo