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Very common thing, you need to get the seller in contact with your rigging loft or DZO to act as a broker then have the seller send the rig for your rigger to look over. If you like it you send money or if it sucks you send rig back. I have done this a few times for buyers. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Thank you for signing AOPA's petition against user fees. Your voice has been added to the 43,861 others who have already signed this petition you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Sounds like a great idea, maybe more DZO's should follow your lead. I would attend, but airfare would be a lot $$$ to the left cost. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I'm aloud to laugh about it, the OP & I sound the same. A RD said to me this weekend I looked like I wanted to kill him, when I was straining to watch his lips and strain'n to hear him. I have found it at times easier to just nod yes like you understand what their saying instead of asking 9000 time to SPEAK UP MOFO! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Hear, here.....Fixed it for ya..... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

The point of my post is to make you aware of the fact, one that a lot of people don't think about till you find it melted to you and ED, I think is trying to bring this to light as well??? While I can understand some posters attempt a humor in the thread, it is no laughing matter, yet one you need to understand should ever find yourself in or around a burning aircraft, jump plane or not. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

***I'd think generally speaking skydivers, as a group, would be even more likely to face a fire on the ground, But that is of course an after beer-light scenario *** Or it might happen when the King Air your riding in runs off the end of the runway at full speed because it wouldn't rotate due to the pilot leaving the control locks in place and also having a fuel leak making for a fine mist of Jet-A that then burst in to a ball of flame at the point of impact with terrain....... (here is a hint for ya, Jet-A is explosive in a fine mist form, but not in a solid) Think it can happen to you too? Ask the folks over in VA who lived thru it and have all the burns ED was talking about! I think ED brings up a very good point that many NEW & OLD jumper don't think about when ordering a jumpsuit and or planing for an AC emergancy, or till they find themselfs having to get out of a crashed jumpship in flames.....Just some food for thought for ya! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

All in all...it's not really rocket science. Abandon the swoop & S-turns if you're in traffic,. Fixed it for ya. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Not now that it is nonexpermintal, but back when everyone was a "test jumper" they could. Now days all bets are off on that one. While there are a few DZ that should have had it taken, they didn't, but did take ratings for life in some cases and they still can issue a letter to the USPA and the FAA stating Joe Blow sucks and we don't condone their actions, the CSC TM comes to mind. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Andy, he said not to let you or dirty hippies inside......LOL Anyhoo looking forward to visiting with you again. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I find it funny that you fail to see the part where I stated more then once that what I'm talking about doing is done on a low pass/solo in order to have clear airspace and I have been doing so for a number of year now, there for I'm trying to be as safe as possible, if you fail to heed that notice, sorry about your luck if my S- turns or backwards canopy flying freaks you out. I think if you take the time to reread all my posts it is VERY clear I stated what I'm talking about doing is done from a H&P as a solo or with other like minded pilots. what I'm doing is not a normal pattern by todays standard, there for it calls for a low pass/solo, if you fail to give the room I ask for by getting out on a declaired low pass as to what I'm going to do,*** Yet some how you seem to continue to imply I will be doing this in today standard "L" 90-90-90 traffic pattern or swoop lanes, I have made as clear as one can as to where this style of flying belongs in todays sport! P.S. The lowman still has and always has had the right of way, and others need to do a better job of respecting that and flying that way to avoid them, this is clear. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Your first anything or when we tell ya you do.... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Closed before I could get there, but I do know your buddys (and you) from there. Say hi to Gorge and the gang, hope all is well @ AIR Indy, I need to get up there for a visit. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Hey I don't do the shit I'm talking about in the swoop lanes and I don't think the swooper or others need to be doing their BS in the area of someone who makes the effort to get out low to do what I'm talking about in the area it is to be done in, if you over take me doing that, your at fault not me! The same as if I was doing what I do in the swoop lane, I would be in the wrong. I have as much right to pratice my skills as do the swoopers, what part of that don't you understand? Where did I say the swooper don't have a right to do their thing? Other then not in traffic in the main LZ. I'm willing to give them and others the space to do their thing, I expect the same to be given. That is no diff then H&P's for the swoop pond/gates. And what part of that don't you seem to understand, WHERE did I say I would be doing this in the normal pattern? Hint for ya, what I'm doing is not a normal pattern by todays standard, there for it calls for a low pass/solo, if you fail to give the room I ask for by getting out on a declaired low pass as to what I'm going to do, your in the WRONG! Control your canopy and stay the fuck away or don't bitch about the low person. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

These approaches I speak of are not to be done in the main LZ when everyone is flying a "L", in other words it is for the peas or tuffet and only one person can be (the low one) shooting their approach, the others behind MUST be staged, this was SOP for many years. If I'm in a normal "L" pattern and going with the flow of traffic you won't see me doing S turns, they don't belong there. However if we are doing H&P's and shooting the peas and you don't stage right and over take the lowman your fuck'n up in your exit, pull and canopy flight. But to make blanket statements that s-turns are bad or wrong or what ever term you like to use is just wrong. In your case, I would have pulled the jumper a side and talked about it, there is a time a place for everything, it's knowing the time and the place that is the issue at hand along with giving the needed space to those who are lower and may or may not have their head up their ass, with today canopies having the control that they do you should be able to fly to a landing point that is free of others you deem unpredictable, to many people just don't want to walk these days and have to land within the shortest walk to the hanger/packing area, we see it all the time. I've been jumping for the last 10 years @ a dz with 850 acres of landable area, yet everyone has to try to land in 2AC's, Many of the places I visit have lot of outs that a skilled pilot could land in, yet it's the same everyone trying to land in one spot. At places that drop more then one load, hey the low pilot has the right of way, if I do a H&P to shoot the peas and you get dropped on top of me, I have the right of way to continue to shoot my approach, S-turns and all, because someone can't control their canopy to a area clear of the approach zone or because they fly an anvil with lines, don't constitute an emergency on my part. (untill Bob & Roger and the rest got taken out from above and behind) I don't mind walking, I grew up when parahiking was a normal thing if you didn't spot right or misread the windline. If you don't understand my point that is ok, go read again #'s 1,2,3,4 in my other post, also see attachment that clearly show the peas, very, very few people these days are shooting for the peas, hell a lot of places don't even have a pit. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

True classic accuracy would involve using S-turns and everyone who has been in the sport appx 10 years or less always want's to claim it is "unpredictable" because it is all you know or your were told that. It is not an unpredictable flight pattern to those who understand what is going on and why the moves are being used in a true traditional or "classic accuracy" approaches. But as soon as the ground hungery pocket rocket pilots showed up on the scene and someone up at USPA decided to make a blanket statement that this was now bad and a big L was better, this became titled "slow, unpredictable canopies". If students are being trained via the current ISP and under the crrent SIMS, then you should NEVER see a student doing "S" turns these days, now should you, yet we see time and time again "some real pilots" bitchen about stupid students doing it along with the "slow bigass boats". No the two styles of flight should not be together, we have already changed the sims and training to accommodate for the ground hungery high W/L canopies, that seems to not be enough now, and we yet again need to accommodate for a small minority because those pilots (not all, but a lot of um) can't seem to respect others rights to use airspace over a dropzone. So yes we need totally different LZ's now for the different canopies in todays market place. We now need, 1. student only LZ's 2. bigass boat LZ's for old fucks 3. High perf LZ's for hotshit pilots 4. free for all LZ's for flying assholes who don't like the rules. While I know you and many like you will continue to call "classic accuracy approaches,using S-turns" as " unpredictable canopies & major hazard to responsible swoopers". If you guys were so "responsible" then you wouldn't be landing anywhere near the slow canopies in the first place now would you, but everyone knows the hotshots are all about putting on a show and hate to walk any extra & "we" make good pylons for them to dodge around. Many of us have been using the classic S turn approach for many years, while most of time it was under round parachutes, it did continue when early squares came out. Some of us still find those skills useful still to this day, working a wind line is an art. Hell I might even do a backwards 360 turn(yes fly my canopy backwards and in a turn) to realign on the wind line. And I will still do S- turns when jumping my round canopies and shooting classic A. But guess what, I will do this on a H&P as we have done for many many years now, so to have the sky to ourselfs or with other clued in pilots who know how to stack up their approaches using this "classic predictable approach". (attachment info, the S turns will not stray outside the windline cone and will get smaller and smaller as you get closer to the target, till you reach your sink point, with a round canopy it maybe a downwinder) you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

That is good to know, the trailer won't stink next week.....LOL you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Mine are never empty to snag, for that reason. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

ditto, but the point I was making is The mounts never change on that top plate (I have two),if I take a camera off in the plane lets say, I know when I reattach it it is still sighted in and centered everytime, unless you bump your sight that is...... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

About damm time you show up! Welcome home.

1. Longmont Co. old one 2. Skys West FC CO 3. Marana AZ. 4. Eloy Az. 5. Morgantown PA. 6. Weeping Water NE. 7. Garnet KS. 8. Rome GA. 9. Archway Ill. 10. SGC Oh 11. Airohio Oh. 12. Skydive Houston TX. 13. CSI NC 14. Frankfort In. 15. Greensburg In. 16. Richmond In. 17. Caldwell ID. 18. SDC old 19. SDC new 20. Cal City 21&22.. KSUSPC (Topeka & wamego) 23. Skydive Carolina SC. 24. Skydive VA. 25. Skydive deland 26. z-hills 27. CSC 28. Skydive San Marcos 29. Waynesville Oh. 30. Skydive ATL 31. Perris Valley 32. Topeka Skydivers Ks. 33. Jump Hawaii 34. Skydive NM. 35. Hutchinson Ks. 36. Wellsville Ks. 37. skydive Tenn. Tulahoma (sp) 38. Seven Hills WI. 39. Birdland 40. Skydive AR. 41. umitillia (sp) Fl. 42. New Oxford Pa. 43. Frank A's FL. 44. Star ID. 45. Palatka Paracenter That is all I can think of right now, I know there is 10 more of um. How about states: 1. CO 2. AZ 3. PA 4. NE 5. KS 6. GA 7. Ill 8. OH 9. Ky 10. TX 11. SC 12. NC 13. ID 14. IN 15. VA 16. FL 17. CA 18. Hi you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I use them on both cameras, for a couple of reasons. 1. as said before it is fast to remove the cameras to film other things. 2. with both top mounted on a FTP there is a shell liner and the screw is hiding behind the liner,(not the pading) and this makes it impossible to remove the screw without removing the shell or top plate. 3. It makes for very easy removal of any of my video or still cameras for videoing students and such without having to hold up the helmet all the time. 4. It keeps the mounts centered on the helmet so when I remove a camera I know it will still line up with the sight when I put it back on without resighting. I find them very useful and I use my cameras for more then jumping, I also use them on my tripods for location shoots that require me to attach and unattach the camera in a hurry without bumping the tripods out of alinement. So I can take cameras off my helmet and place right on a tripod in 1.2 seconds instead of unscrewing from the helmet and then screwing to the tripod, and it sucks ass if your on location a lose the screw. While they do add some bulk and weight, the pros out weight the cons for ME, and I wouldn't be with out them in the future, that I can see, now that may change when someone comes up with a better way. Never been a problem in any aircraft with height, even all last season out of a 182. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Agreed Agreed Agreed, now had you just posted something more along the lines of this the first time, And left out all the stuff about canopy size, your post wouldn't have come off as condesending towards those who jump and swoop larger sized canopies as the ones who are the problem. The only other issue I see as a problem is when you have 2 or 3 AC droping loads, kind of hard for me to tell you I'm swooping my bigass slow saber 170 if your not on my load. As a person who also likes to swoop even if I have a big boat, I have as much right to shoot the gates/pond as everyone else, if your out after me and on another load and I'm lower slow or not, I have the right of way. Those of us who do fly larger canopies aren't thinking up new ways to hose those who fly pocket rockets, by also swooping the gates, we do however try to fly to be the last ones down on OUR load, it is easy to do these days with so many ground hungery hotrods in the sky with high WL's. So now maybe we a LZ for students and one for classic A, and one for normal patterns and one for super swoopers with their hotrods, and one for us bigass boat swoop'n types and maybe one for the free for all crowd who don't like rules. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I understand it very clear, however your fast canopy don't trump the slow one just because it's fast. If my bigass boat is setting up for the swoop lane and I'm lower then you, sorry about your luck I have the right of way fast or slow. It's not about judging you at all, it's pointing out how your comments may or may not sound to others, to me it sounds as if "fucking bigass slo boat of 170/190 pilot was in my way and I couldn't swoop the way I wanted to, I had to out fly him to land first because HE got in MY way, and he should have known I was the hotshit local swoop god who always gose for the gates!" And that seems to be standard thinking among those who think their the "real swoopers". If you don't want to be lumped into that crowd, don't make hinting statements like that. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Yep we're out there and have been swooping our bigass boat canopies longer then you been jumping. And what dose it matter to you if "we" toggle whip it or front riser it, we have as much right to swoop the gates as you do, even if you don't like the size of our canopies. I wouldn't say a word to you in most cases, but the more I read your postings on this matter the more you sound as if your on a high horse and think your hot shit because you fly a pocket rocket and swoop it, and the rest of us are in your goddam way because we are in the sky. It's comments like yours that tend to make me think "real swoopers" are nothing but a danger to everyone else and you all get your head up your ass and run around thinking your gods gift to human flight, good thing you guys came along to point out the rest of us how wrong we been doing it all these years with our "normal landings" or toggle whipping or front riser 90 into a swoop is all wrong because we fly XXX size, I guess if we all don't fly a sub 100 pocket rocket and pull big ball 270's then anything less is not a "real swoop". And your not the only one who sounds that way, maybe you guys should pool your money and start a swooping only DZ and then you can keep "us" 170 & 190 canopy pilots out of your airspace and off your DZ...... and the rest of us will work harder to protect our airspace from the likes of you. Just some food for thought. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo