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Jo Weber is much MORE than an EMPTY space or a work in progress. I probe & I search, but NOT always inside of this thread . The demeaning statement including me needs to be addressed. YOU have claimed many individuals said certain thing, but YOU are VERY SENSITIVE about who U are. We all know Blevins has created his story as he went along & his objective was a book & a movie. When YOU lump JO in with Blevins - that is a very large leap. Jo has been at this for 18 yrs & she had offers from more than one writer & a movie contract, but that is NOT what I was looking for. I wanted ONLY one thing - that was The Truth! What have I found in you - a man who will go where-ever he has to go to keep the turths from being told. IF YOU had ALL of the expertise & information you have calimed over the yrs - then perhaps you should REVEAL yourself for all to judge. YOUR background, employment, personal life, your educational background & I have only ONE QUESTION. HOW the hell did you get sucked into the Galen Cook Vortex? I have offered you the opportunity to read all 8 inches plus many more on a disk that I have NOT printed regarding the self estemed Cook. YOU actually bought into his lies & the world of deception he lives in. YOU have to be aware he is sneak, a liar and an abuser. (That is evident by his posting regarding Jo Weber & Tina). He will twist or step on anything that gets in his way if it is NOT going his way. YOU bought into Galen. but WHY? ONE visit with me to read and view the many communications he made with me & you will see what he really is. You continue to lump me with Blevins and that will be your downfall. Has GALEN ever asked you to view his PROOF - with both sides in black & white and other communications? YOU didn't approve of his actions with Tina! You and I were at one time in line on that, but how quickly you forgot the ABUSE Galen tossed out there! Now he is acting all chummy with you & talks about going see Tina with ALICE. A Frost BITE day in Haiti! Galen DOES not have the contacts with the FBI he claims - if so - some HEADS of some FBI agents will be rolling! I have not felt well enough to fight with you guys - so I am letting others take what we have and get everything in MOTION. Did you know that "SOMEONE" is reading the crap that GALEN has been spouting off & has access to the exchanges I made with Galen. YOU swing from one end of the pendlum to the other. WHY you even mention my name along with Blevins is puzzling other than YOU are just ONE of Galen's PUPPETS? He claims he doesn't want to post here, but since he can't he wants to destroy anything or anyone he considers a threat. YOU are beginning to sound like just another one of his puppets. I fell for that, but quickly saw thru him. Eventually U will be on his list, but perhaps U are too old or not important enough for him to worry about. After U are gone he will slander U from one pillar to the other if he considers anything you have offered worth while - he will take credit for it. He couldn't find TINA & I did ! NOW he will DO whatever he can to make that go away...yet, I have GALEN'S WORDS in BLACK AND WHITE. ALL OF THEM! Supposedly you & Galen are connected - but WHY would you want to be connected to someone as unscuplous as Galen. You were supposedly concerned about Tina being contacted & now you are BEFRIENDING her attacker! U have the unmitigated gall to call me a parasite! Your own words make you a parasite who crawls from host to host speading a deadly virus. Is this HOW U want to be remembered someday? If you open your PM - I will fill you in on something - but NOT tonight. I am not feeling well & need to lie down. Have nothing for ya Jo. Feed your myth making and paranoia elsewhere. (I should say the same things to your cohort in myth making, Blevins.) Keep on the sunny side, always on the sunny side, Keep on the sunny side of life. It will help us every day, it will brighten all the way, If we keep on the sunny side of life. Oh, the storm and its fury broke today, Crushing hopes that we cherish so dear. Clouds and storms will in time pass away. The sun again will shine bright and clear. Keep on the sunny side, always on the sunny side, Keep on the sunny side of life. It will help us every day, it will brighten all the way, If we'll keep on the sunny side of life. Let us greet with a song of hope each day. Though the moments be cloudy or fair. Let us trust in our Saviour always, To keep us, every one, in His care. Keep on the sunny side, always on the sunny side, Keep on the sunny side of life. It will help us every day, it will brighten all the way, If we'll keep on the sunny side of life. If we'll keep on the sunny side of life

This must be at least the fifth time I've made this offer to you: Would you like to see his email on that? Just wondering.... I answered Bennett's question very well. And you sir, are full of BS. You got questions? Email them to me. Because that's the only way you'll get any answers and that's only if I'm in a good mood. And with you, that is doubtful. Your obsession, your agenda is obvious. Well for the umpteenth time yes. Gray said you were unstable, untrustworthy, and a serious scoundrel who should not be trusted. He referred to transactions and dealings that he was aware of. He didn't want to elaborate and I didn't push Geoff to explain. All I asked to prompt all of this from Geoff was if he knew who you were - you had recently arrived here at Dropzone and were crashing the gate by attacking Sluggo and others, after being here only a month! I thought your behavior was a little 'strange' to say the least so in talking to Geoff about other matters, I brought your name up ... and Geoff gave an instant very strong negative response! There it is again for the millionth time. Now STFU! Gray trashed you completely in that phone call whether you like it or not. Facts are facts! You can continue to try and wallow out of this any way you want. At this late date years later why are you still bringing this up!? You tactics here at Dropzone over the last four years speaks for itself. We don't even need Geoff Gray any more. You are a proven liar and manipulator here by your own actions and words, since August 2010! You have created a new record while trying to get of the old one that preceded you here, and that is clear for anyone to see! Geoff said it not just once but THREE TIMES, as you damned well know. Three different phone calls. The last time he said it I posted it here just minutes after he had said it over the phone to me, quote: "You can't believe anything he says! Everything he says is highly highly highly suspect, very highly!!!, highly." Three "highly"(s). One "Very Highly". In other words, just as Farflung always charged you, "he makes stuff up and is a liar". There! Do you finally have it? Got it? CAIN YOOO REED? And the same goes for ABEL! Tell Mommy to tell the SNAKE! The very fact that you have singled me out and put ME through all of your shit, is fact enough on it's own! You started out here at Dropzone by attacking Sluggo and I watched that series of exchanges rather intently. Sluggo didn't take it very long and just left Dropzone - a huge loss to Dropzone! But you didn't mind. It was exactly what you wanted. You have tried everything in the book to get me banned here and it hasn't worked so far! That is WHO and WHAT you are. Blevins, as defined by your own actions here at DZ since August 2010. No other record or proof is needed "Everything he says is highly highly highly _ very highly!_ doubtful. You know that. Why do you persist?" Answer: "Because I am there and have to endure his shit and you aren't!" Geoff laughed and said, "Yes. That fucking place is a pit of vipers. Now you know why I won't go there. Just set Blevins aside. Everyone knows who and what he is or if they don't they will in time..." Any more questions? Mister RobertMBlevins, ? WHO am I? Well, the question is: WHO ARE YOU!? My suspicion is when you lift the veil of YOU (and Jo Weber), there really isn't much there at all. Just empty space! You and Jo Weber are nothing but a work_in_progress constantly probing and ploying like a virus looking for some route of entry into normal healthy people and the world! You are a parasite. Otherwise, you don't exist at all!

I'd say you did answer my question. I just have to ask it very precisely because we all run information through our own personal filters and sometimes we don't all see it the same way. And, to be honest, you very often have a take that is different than others. My point was, I had never heard that Kenny's family said they didn't believe Kenny's deathbed confession wasn't that he was gay, just that they already knew he was. Back then, homosexuality was not something anyone talked about. We've come a long way in the last few years, but even when Bill Clinton signed don't ask/don't tell, support for gay marriage was still in the high 30s of approval. In the 1940s, being gay made you a social outcast and subject scorn at best and violence at the worst. The candor described in your script of the conversation between Kenny and his family about his sexual orientation might not be unusual today. But, in the 1940s, it seems more likely the subject was not discussed much if at all. Your source on how much it was talked about between Kenny and his family would pretty much have to be Lyle, but your interviews with him, as far as I've seen were never published. This is very simple. Proof No.2 There s a nice working search function here. Always has been. Go back and read Blevins' first series of 'gay interpretations' of Kenny vs. what he is saying today. His current revised interpretation began (what?) about a year ago, maybe a little earlier with, .... the family always knew. Proof No.2: Farflung debated with Blevins constantly on all of these points related to Kenny's gayness. Go back and read Far's posts! Blevins refused to even acknowledge of answer most of Far's posts ... just as he avoids answering today. I could pull up those posts but i6t takes a lot of time and frankly would do not good - Blevins would just morph and deny. His tactic is to just wear everyone down. The 'problems' then go away, magically and Blevins can always come back to his standby: "I never said that!" This whole issue of Kenny's being gay has evolved in Blevins' hands like no other issue here. Blevins if you notice is still insisting that Kenny's Big Secret had nothing to do with his gay life. Kenny's colorectal cancer is even unrelated and due to atomic tests at Bikini Atoll, and if not that then the supernova in CanMaj V3534-3566-J! Blevins has only answered our question: IS GEESTMAN GAY OR NOT once, by saying 'Geestman was married' ! If Blevins had all of this detailed information four years ago why didn't he present it then? Who are we?" His whipping boys? His pump boys? The story always changes to fit current circumstances here.

Thanks, Robert. That was an interesting article. I know you probably think everyone is ragging on you, but in this case I'm not. It's actually a real comment. I read the first few pages of your Kenny script you posted in the last week or so, and this article said the biggest issue you had with writing was unrealistic dialog. I have to say when I read the script and you were writing about Kenny telling his parents he had joined the army, and they talked openly, honestly and very matter-of-fact-ly that he couldn't because he was gay. That struck me as very unrealistic. In the 1940s (and even well into the 1990s) it was not something that was talked about. Kenny's family said they knew he was gay, but it seems highly unlikely Kenny ever admitted it or the family ever talked about it. In fact, I still think that was Kenny's secret he couldn't tell his brother. He didn't know he brother already knew. Well, thanks for the comment about the article. Because the editor had to convert it to a PDF for me, this left much of the text hypenated though. Guess she forget to set the Word doc to 'no hyphenation'.

Weird is the word Dicky! We'll send somebody out to get you home after you've had a long cry. Give Pat/Gayla our regards. Have her send Mary some White House plates! That's the difference between us. My stories are real. Yours are contrived bullshit looking for sympathy and forgiveness! Turn the lights out as you leave your next breakin!

That's great. I think kids today get cheated on summer vacation due to all the in-service days or whatever. Back in the day we got a solid summer off. First week of June until after Labor Day weekend. Dropzone isn't the only place I post up this or that. I like sites for writers. One asked the question, 'Why Do Kids Read Less Today?' and I said this: Some people just THINK they know me. They really don't. That's interesting. You remind me of - Richard Nixon. He was stationed at the Naval Reserve station while Pat worked at the bank as a teller. At the Christmas Eve party Neimeyer went to dance with Pat because 'Dicky' wouldn't dance. Pat was just sitting there by 'Dicky' all bored and stuff. Neimeyer went over and asked Pat to dance, and she looked at Dick, and he said "yea go ahead". Neimeyer and Pat had been dancing a few minutes when Dicky got up and through a fit and walked out to the parking lot! Pat told everyone, "Oh he'll be OK", but eventually Neimeyer and Phil and a few of the other guys went out with Pat to find 'Dicky'. At length they finally found him huddled up in the back seat of John Head's car, crying his eyes out and mumbling something! They got him back in his own car and Pat drove him back to their barracks on the base. We didn't think much of Dicky but we did like Pat. When the commanding officer found out what had happened he had Dicky transferred out. We hated to see Pat go and some of the gals kept in touch with her for years. But that crazy son-of-a-bitch Nixon became President of the United States! Very likely Blevins you will too!

Thank you, Kemo Sabe. Storyboards are pretty much done. Co-writer is handling that part. I am doing the actual script file via Celtx software, which I find easiest to use. We agreed she's better at the boards, while I am better at creating dialogue.

"I don't really care what you think one way or the other..." Nothing like a little self-deception. Of course you do, or you wouldn't be responding in-depth and offering up excuses. I'm not contacting Galen Cook directly about anything. I think my previous comments and the screenshot with the illustrations speak for themselves. As far as the alternate site, I hope you guys come up with something decent in the way of evidence. I have said that previously. I have no interest in posting there, even if it were allowed. We can but hope that if posters on your site offer up additional lies in order to make themselves look better, or others worse, that you will address them. Otherwise your credibility will suffer. That's up to you, of course. Comments regarding the Decoded episode: It's been three and a half years since that episode first aired. Most of it is accurate, a few things are not. One of the reasons for this is because it was filmed between July and October of 2010, aired in January 2011, and much more was discovered about Kenny after it aired. For example, we know now that Kenny did NOT pay full cash for his house in Bonney Lake. A portion was financed. It's too bad producer Pete Berg couldn't convince witness Helen Jones to go on the air. She would have confirmed that Bernie Geestman was with Kenny over the week of the hijacking. Kenny admitted it to her about six weeks after the crime. This would raise the question on why Bernie decided to tell the Decoded cast he thought Kenny could be the hijacker. Unfortunately, although Jones spoke to me and Berg, she was afraid of Geestman, and said so. People can pooh-pooh this point all they wish, but you still have to wonder why Geestman tossed Kenny under the bus like that when he knew perfectly well where Kenny was the week of the hijacking. He was with him. So where's the alibi? A very simple concept, but also very important. Geestman lied when he said he visited Kenny as Kenny was dying. Testimony from Carolyn Tyner, one of Kenny's caretakers, is very convincing. Tyner said the only people who came to see Kenny were his doctor, some hospice workers occasionally, and his brother Lyle. He lied when he said he was gone for ten to eleven months of the year in 1971 for Foss Tugs. Foss says so, and I believe them. He lied during his original interview in Port Angeles when he said he didn't know the details on how that 5K from Kenny ended up in his sister's pocket. Even NWA historian Bruce Kitt said that if Kenny was flying the Orient routes that crews seldom intermingled and Kenny could have easily gone unrecognized. Of course, none of these things can prove Kenny and Cooper were one and the same. They only prove WHY Kenny ended up on the suspect list. Had Helen Jones and Bernie Geestman's sister Dawn Androsko ('I stick with what I said, but I'm not going on television against my own brother...') agreed to appear, I think the Decoded folks would have broken through Bernie's lies easily.

Barada Nikto, Sheena. Now go back to Zetan with your collection of scalps! Booooya.

OK. Glad to know you aren't putting on airs. Or methane. One big happy family again on dropzine. G and Blevins friendly. Jo forgiving Galen. Sheridan friending me. Q liftng Snow's permaban. And then I woke up. 377 Personal issues should have no place on this thread - period. But that's impossible here. That is what most people object to. imho.

We liberated lower caste folks are hyper sensitive Georger. We lay in wait. We hunt and pounce on those who belittle us. You didn't have a chance trying to delete the slur. A simple apology to us current and former toilet polishers would suffice G. I say dumb things from time to time. But the consequences are minor as I don't own an NBA team. 377 I don't own an NBA team either and wouldn't if I could. I have cleaned and polished toilets and septic systems my whole life! I grew up on a farm. Everyone in my family still cleans their own toilets. I am one of those "wage earner sheeple" and "slapped down red haired step orphans" Blevins talks about! That is where my angst with him began! So don't talk to me about cleaning and polishing toilets! It's just that along the way I learned not only how to clean, repair, and instal one, I also learned how to calculate the volume and flow, just in case I would ever have to make one myself!. Farmers in the 50s were like that. We did everything we could to keep life going for ourselves and our family, our neighbors, and everyone else. And we still do!

I worked as a factory janitor in my youth and cleaned lots of toilets. Can't say conclusively that it helped my career but it might have. You can't act too stuck up if you have that kind of work on your real resume', the one that totally chronicles your life not the one you submit to propective employers. 377 You know how it goes.. some are too self important and would use that kind of low personal attack at the drop of a post... over and over because they seem to feel they are far better than those around them. Some people remember where they come from.... others.. well I think you get it 377. 'Good luck polishing toilets". was edited out of my post on the first round ... Blevins was quick to freeze the first post. Now here you are freezing his freeze. Likewise 377! There is no honor among smut grabbers/peddlers with an agenda and no facts! So, here it is again in your honor! So let's summarize. You issued "25 Reasons" why KC was DB Cooper, included in your so-called report to the FBI. The core issues you claimed (within your "25 Reasons") and what came of them are listed below. Unexplained excess funds ----- failed Missing on weekend of ------ failed/revised Cooper comic exposure Shemya ----- failed Witness said he might have been ----- hearsay Geestman lied to Blevins/Decoded ----- no relevance shown Gray credibility/article ----- not relevant FBI did not interview NWA employees ----- hearsay Paratrooper background ----- no relevance shown Amboy parachute ----- no relevance to Kenny shown Marla case ----- no relevance to Kenny Kenny matches FBI description ----- hearsay - FAILED! Had a Big Secret – he told Lyle ----- hearsay – never told You have failed on every point that matters, Blevins. Your case has no merit. Lyle started out with a good idea to make a movie script and you are continuing with that theme, having failed to show anything that connects KC to the DB Cooper case. So good luck with that good idea for a movie script. Polish that!

*** You keep avoiding the issues and the facts. Gray arrived at totally different conclusions about KC than you did and Porteous (your own PI colleague!) was one of Gray's sources! What in hell accounts for that? Moreover, Decoded bypassed Gray in favor of you as their consultant on Kenny! That is totally inexplicable! And you still keep avoiding the central issues that you yourself fed to the world on Kenny. So let's summarize. You issued "25 Reasons" why KC was DB Cooper, included in your so-called report to the FBI. The core issues you claimed (within your "25 Reasons") and what came of them are listed below. Unexplained excess funds ----- failed Missing on weekend of ------ failed/revised Cooper comic exposure Shemya ----- failed Witness said he might have been ----- hearsay Geestman lied to Blevins/Decoded ----- no relevance shown Gray credibility/article ----- not relevant FBI did not interview NWA employees ----- hearsay Paratrooper background ----- no relevance shown Amboy parachute ----- no relevance to Kenny shown Marla case ----- no relevance to Kenny Kenny matches FBI description ----- hearsay - FAILED! Had a Big Secret – he told Lyle ----- hearsay – never told You have failed on every point you claimed defined Kenny Christiansen as a Cooper candidate. Your case has no merit but instead you wallow further by now claiming "the case against Kenny can't be proved"!. Enough with the Blevins diversion. Im a little tired of slumming.

He found him viable enough to the point where he says in Skyjack that he was upset and disappointed about Himmelsbach's reaction to Kenny, and WHY: ***'I leave Himmelsbach’s farm in a huff. I haven’t gotten my blessing, and the world’s foremost expert on the case has dismissed my suspect. It’s true. Himmelsbach has a point. Kenny is on the short side for a suspect. Most witnesses pegged the hijacker to be between the height of five-foot-ten and six-foot-one. According to his military records, Ken Christiansen was five eight. According to an old driver’s license that Lyle had, Kenny was as tall as five nine. That jibed with the description at least one witness, paint company owner Robert Gregory, had given. And how much can we trust the descriptions of the eyewitnesses on the flight? Aren’t eyewitnesses notoriously wrong, especially in dramatic situations? And how could they really tell how tall the hijacker was when he was sitting down throughout most of the flight? In photos, Kenny also seemed to have a longish torso, which would have made him appear taller than he was. It was unfair to dismiss Kenny because of his height. Plus Himmelsbach didn’t have all the facts. Kenny was not fat. At least not yet. The mischievous-grin photo was taken years after the hijacking, in the mid-1970s, Lyle said. In the fall of 1971, Lyle claimed Kenny was in decent shape. About 175 pounds, the same as the hijacker. And what was wrong with the color of Kenny’s eyes? On military records, they are described as “hazel.” Flo Schaffner reported them to the feds as “brown.” On a hijacked flight, who could tell the difference between hazel and brown? As an expert, Himmelsbach presents his own problems. As a pilot, his bias is toward the airlines. He confesses to not investigating leads about inside jobs because airline people are “head and shoulders above the standards and values and the character of normal, average Americans.” Bull. Somewhere in the airline industry, there have to be a few criminal minds. And considering Cooper’s familiarity with airplanes, and the venom Northwest employees had against Northwest, how could the feds not look at insiders?...' It's too bad Gray never discovered the people who actually KNEW Christiansen at the time of the hijacking. Perhaps he would have had something more substantial to present to Ralph Himmelsbach. I thought he did well considering he didn't, and that he was unable to check Kenny's financials, as Porteous did. Once again you shift away from a poster's points and refuse to address or even acknowledge any of them! I believe Gray did find people closest to Kenny who knew Kenny intimately .... much better than Lyle his own brother knew him ... and you refuse to acknowledge Gray accomplished that! You have intentionally avoided one of the central facts in your subjects life - that Kenny Christiansen was gay and his life revolved around that, a fact Gray easily discovered. You are now claiming your work on Kenny was better research than Grays! I find that an astounding claim on your part! Your work is a sham and making shit up on Dropzone..

You should do your research first, don't you think? Where in the book Into The Blast does it give a value on the coin and stamp collection? Where does Lyle say anywhere publicly or in print how much it was worth? Exactly nowhere. Why would that be? Because at the time the book was released, I didn't know the exact figures. Maybe I guessed at it, but I never put any of those guesses into either the book or the KC report, which is the main thing. When I did discover the true amount, it became part of the report when I released it in December 2012: From the KC Report: ***'After Christiansen’s death, statements were obtained from the West One Bank in Sumner, WA showing the estate settlement that was turned over to his brother Lyle after Kenny’s death. (statements enclosed) They show a balance of over $180,000 in savings and $22,500 in his checking account. There was also a coin collection that Lyle Christiansen estimates a value on of about $30,000 in 1994 dollars...' That is a VERY accurate statement. In reality, the collection was appraised at $40,000, but I actually valued it LOWER for the report, because Lyle Christiansen did not receive the full appraised value when he sold most of the collection via auctions and a couple of coin dealers. He couldn't remember off the top of his head exactly how much he received in total from these entities, but said about twenty to twenty-five percent less than the appraised value. So I set it to $30,000 for the report. That's twenty-five percent less. Seemed reasonable. The exact amounts in cash left to Lyle were proven by bank statements provided by the West One Bank in Sumner, WA. (Attached) Georger ALSO says: That's right. But then he didn't look at Kenny's financials, did he? He really couldn't. He didn't have the same access to peoples' personal affairs that a licensed private detective might have. Gray only opened the door on Christiansen as a suspect in the Cooper case. He was never able to come to a definite conclusion. One thing that hampered Gray was that he didn't know or interview any of the people who were Kenny's closest friends, or the people who knew him best. He interviewed a few people who worked with Kenny, and the 'Mac' guy who lived with Kenny off and on later in his life. And Himmelsbach. But he never found out about the Geestmans, Dawn Androsko, Helen Jones, or the people who really knew Kenny and called him a friend...(wait for it now)...for Kenny's entire life. If Gray had discovered these people, I doubt he would have stood silent on Bernie Geestman's continual lies. I've always said it would have been better if Gray and I had interviewed these people together. Unfortunately, Porteous (as the main author of the book) made a private decision to keep Gray out of the information loop. Later, to sort of make up for this, I gave Gray the flash drive with all files we had on Christiansen. That is correct. At least that's what Kenny told his brother. But it is also correct that these original purchases were made shortly after the hijacking...when Kenny was making $512 a month or less before taxes. The real question is whether these things make him the hijacker. I say no. You want to know? Question the witnesses. Urge the Seattle FBI to bring in Bernie and Margie Geestman, Helen Jones and her daughter, Dawn Androsko, and perhaps Ann Grimes, the last owner of Kenny's house before he bought it. The truth on Kenny, and his whereabouts over Thanksgiving 1971, would emerge fairly quickly. Maybe next time you should just ask me about these things privately so you don't end up with both feet in your mouth... EDIT: Funny thing how you keep quoting Gray with this or that, this conclusion or that. He's never said anything publicly on those points you mention. However, he HAS denied that he's ever made negative comments about me, as you alleged. Would you like me to post his email for you? As far as Gray not being involved in the allegations or explorations into Kenny Christiansen, that is inherently ridiculous and denies reality. He was the first to publish anything about Christiansen, and the book that followed not only BEGINS with Kenny, but heavily explores the idea he might be Cooper. Kind of hard to get away from that fact. Nonsense. One thing that hampered Gray was that he didn't know or interview any of the people who were Kenny's closest friends, or the people who knew him best. He interviewed a few people who worked with Kenny, and the 'Mac' guy who lived with Kenny off and on later in his life. And Himmelsbach. But he never found out about the Geestmans, Dawn Androsko, Helen Jones, or the people who really knew Kenny and called him a friend...(wait for it now)...for Kenny's entire life. I think Gray would take strong exception to your statement above underlined. In fact maybe it's you who failed to interview the people actually closest to Kenny! In fact Farflung and others have challenged you on this very point - you have always avoided any answer! So let's summarize. You issued "25 Reasons" why KC was DB Cooper, included in your so-called report to the FBI. The core issues you claimed (within your "25 Reasons") and what came of them are listed below. Unexplained excess funds ----- failed Missing on weekend of ------ failed/revised Cooper comic exposure Shemya ----- failed Witness said he might have been ----- hearsay Geestman lied to Blevins/Decoded ----- no relevance shown Gray credibility/article ----- not relevant FBI did not interview NWA employees ----- hearsay Paratrooper background ----- no relevance shown Amboy parachute ----- no relevance to Kenny shown Marla case ----- no relevance to Kenny Kenny matches FBI description ----- hearsay - FAILED! Had a Big Secret – he told Lyle ----- hearsay – never told You have failed on every point that matters, Blevins. Your case has no merit. Lyle started out with a good idea to make a movie script and you are continuing with that theme, having failed to show anything that connects KC to the DB Cooper case. So good luck with that good idea for a movie script.

Well it's totally obvious Lyle and you are full of it! From your and Lyle's original statement of a stamp and coin collection valued at $200,000! you now reduce it to $40,000, which is actually worth and sells for some fraction of that. And of course we still don't know (havent been given) any specifics of the contents of the so-called collection. The 'collection' has suffered deflation: From $200,000 > $40,000, to probably $5000-$8000 actual value or less ... for a lifetime of collecting. And the unspecified contents could be anything. Thus, your claim of Kenny's unexplained wealth falls just like the rest of your claims have fallen apart under scrutiny. Of course Gray never reported finding any signs of excess wealth in Kenny's affairs. Lyle even adds: Lyle says that a great deal of the money that was left behind in Kenny's estate came from the sales of land he had purchased years earlier. Where is this great excess of wealth you and Lyle still hang on to claiming? I am beginning to wonder why Gray even bothered with this (the Kenny story) not to mention you? It looks to me like much to do about nothing and no relationship at all to the DB Cooper story. Kenny Christiansen was an employee of NWA and that is all he was. Neither you or Gray have even shown that Kenny ever mentioned the DB Cooper hijacking - to anyone! Because in reality Kenny's life concerns were a thousand miles away and elsewhere, just as Gray convincingly showed in his original article on "Temptation and Speculation"! So your debate is with Gray! Not us or here. Gray's book was not an advocacy for Kenny. As he described it at the last symposium, it discussed four suspects -- Kenny, Duane, McCoy and Barb Dayton. I asked him if he had a current favored suspect and he said he was most interested in Peterson. Gray's article did not look at Kenny's finances at all. So, I don't see Gray really entering the debate. Gray got into this matter via Porteous who was handling Lyle's idea that his brother's story would make a good DB Cooper movie script. Gray's article does not mention Kenny having excess unexplained funds or KC's estate because neither Lyle or anyone else had raised that issue at that point. I'm not even sure if Gray looked at Kenny's finances, however its rather clear Lyle had not made any claim of unexplained excess funds collateral to Gray's first article. The only mention of Kenny's finances was through Gray's interview with several young men Kenny had lived with, who told Gray that Kenny had been 'generous' with gifts, and the like. But again no mention by anyone of 'unexplained excess wealth'. 'Unexplained excess wealth' seems to have surfaced with Blevins entering the picture. During one conversation with Geoff he told me he had more material on Kenny than was covered in his article, but he would never publish it, because as you say, Geoff does not consider Kenny a viable suspect based on his investigation of Kenny. So Gray is a part of the debate. He did prior research on Kenny. He says he will not publish further on the topic of Kenny because there is no point. Gray did not find Kenny a viable suspect in the Cooper case.

Well it's totally obvious Lyle and you are full of it! From your and Lyle's original statement of a stamp and coin collection valued at $200,000! you now reduce it to $40,000, which is actually worth and sells for some fraction of that. And of course we still don't know (havent been given) any specifics of the contents of the so-called collection. The 'collection' has suffered deflation: From $200,000 > $40,000, to probably $5000-$8000 actual value or less ... for a lifetime of collecting. And the unspecified contents could be anything. Thus, your claim of Kenny's unexplained wealth falls just like the rest of your claims have fallen apart under scrutiny. Of course Gray never reported finding any signs of excess wealth in Kenny's affairs. Lyle even adds: Lyle says that a great deal of the money that was left behind in Kenny's estate came from the sales of land he had purchased years earlier. Where is this great excess of wealth you and Lyle still hang on to claiming? I am beginning to wonder why Gray even bothered with this (the Kenny story) not to mention you? It looks to me like much to do about nothing and no relationship at all to the DB Cooper story. Kenny Christiansen was an employee of NWA and that is all he was. Neither you or Gray have even shown that Kenny ever mentioned the DB Cooper hijacking - to anyone! Because in reality Kenny's life concerns were a thousand miles away and elsewhere, just as Gray convincingly showed in his original article on "Temptation and Speculation"! So your debate is with Gray! Not us or here.

Quade would ban me in a heartbeat if I violated the rules. You just don't like hearing the truth, or admitting when you're wrong. I'll give you this much. You lash out at pretty much everybody...me, some autistic kid from Atlanta whom you agreed was me without even checking, and God knows who else around here. You practice Equal Opportunity Employment with that. It's something, I guess. This way I don't feel singled out. ***'They deserve each other over there...' (the alternate site) True enough. You always get the last werd - I also think Geoffrey Gray's name will forever be linked to yours due to your book and your four years of lengthy posts linking you with Gray. It's like Gray is your best 'bud' to hear you tell it! And I think that may have been one of your intentions all along, to piggyback on Geoff Gray's book and work! Gray actually said you might do something like this and I think he was expressing a real concern! You piggy-backed both Gray and Marla! Nice strategic move! You may have achieved those goals for better and for worse. Gray won't even talk about you, except in closed circles. And Gray is not happy. I don't think he expected the wide impact that you worked to have. And of course your methods and works are totally antithetical to Gray's methods and work. Gray is a professional writer while you are a backyard mechanic, if that. It will be interesting to see how this all washes out down stream. It was not just Gray but Gray's publisher and other significant others.

I'm far from embarrassed. Trust me on this. The truth is you don't have any answers to my previous statements. I think they are self-explanatory. If you spent even half the time you do trashing me and falsely quoting famous writers ABOUT me, and used that time to work on the case...you would have solved it by now. THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU! YOU NEVER COULD GET THAT! But as lazy as you are I can accept you don't care and never did care anyway. You and Porteous thought it would drop into your laps. So your net loss is zero. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. The Venom Magnet. Right. How do you know what Porteous and I think about anything? You're just pissed because I called you out on your phony Geoff Gray quotes and got a response from Gray on them, then pointed out that Galen Cook, (another guy you like to quote) lied about Porteous and I in public posts...and that I was smart enough to take the screenshots and ask Porteous about them. That's why you're angry. You know it. I know it. Anything else is bullshit. You want proof? I will post the screenshots and the emails for you, or send them to you privately if you wish. Both of you got what you deserved. You really do owe me an apology, in my humble opinion...and Cook should straighten it out with Porteous on his own. Your situation reminds me of the scene from the film Dillinger with Harry Dean Stanton playing the part of Homer Van Meter: Well you do have a mouth on you! Quade allows you to say and do anything. I think you have found a homey at this biker bar. We'll send County Health around in ten days to see if you need biker bar assistance. Robert M Blevins against the WORLD - whoever he is!

I'm far from embarrassed. Trust me on this. The truth is you don't have any answers to my previous statements. I think they are self-explanatory. If you spent even half the time you do trashing me and falsely quoting famous writers ABOUT me, and used that time to work on the case...you would have solved it by now. THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU! YOU NEVER COULD GET THAT! But as lazy as you are I can accept you don't care and never did care anyway. You and Porteous thought it would drop into your laps. So your net loss is zero. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. The Venom Magnet.

Robert says: Community college worked fine for me. ***Aren't you just another con artist at work? Robert says: No. That's a fairly nasty thing to say to someone when you have no proof of same, by the way. Never stopped you before, though. Robert says: Never said the interview didn't happen. I said you offered no proof of it, and it was highly unlikely Lyle Christiansen would say he 'knew' Kenny wasn't the hijacker. Not only does he have zero way of determining that anyway, but his actions over the years don't reflect that view at all. He certainly DOES believe his brother was Cooper. After all the letters, documents, pictures, emails, whatever, he sends each month trying to assist in finding out the truth on Kenny...this sort of goes against your lame, standalone, 'interview' claim. Robert says: *Yawn* Robert says: Not lately. Yes, a while back I used a proxy to check out those lies Galen Cook was posting at the alternate site. If Galen wouldn't have started creating lies off the top of his head, I wouldn't have had to take the screenshots and show them to Porteous. Skipp said he hasn't talked to Cook in years, and that they never discussed me anyway. Porteous owns 50% of the rights to Blast. He knows we're working on the script. He's listed as the third writer on it. Why WOULDN'T we work together and get along... (duh) Who is 'we'? Check what you want. I don't owe you a damn thing, LOL. More false facts above .... wont go into them to embarrass you. Predictable as Sunrise... indeed. You answered nothing of substance as usual. Play it again Blevins-I. Say hello to Blevins-II!

What is this? *Thread is not restricted to those with a college degree* This is a case where I have to wave and get your attention. Remember in Aliens at the end when Ripley waves her arms at the alien and yells, "Here! Here!" to get the alien away from the kid? It's sort of like that. Just go back to picking on me. You I can handle.

But, Lyle) actually came out and said Kenny was DB Cooper. It just seems like a lot of speculation. That's not what he told Mike Simmons and a large audience on air, publicly. That is a fact Blevins wont touch with a 2000' pole except to deny .... except to call Simmons a fraud!? Simmons issued a public affirmation on this! Not to mention the program tape and transcript. Gray accepts Simmon's account. Why won't Blevins?

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