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I watched the video. It doesn't appear to be anything new. It was posted in 2012, so it's over two years old. Very interesting. I'd have to say Mr. Blevins comes off much different than he does on the forum, although the content is pretty much identical. I'm not a wacko, a terrorist, a liar, or whatever insult Georger has invented for me today. If I kept changing the 2012 video, that would be pretty stupid, wouldn't it? It's obvious Georger doesn't care a whit about whether KC was Cooper or not. It's become both emotional and personal to him, and has absolutely zip to do with the Cooper case. He is obsessed without a doubt and that obsession has a name. But since Shutter doesn't allow stuff like that over at his discussion forum (a good thing), Georger comes here to empty his trash. His over-the-top, (and rather juvenile) posts prove that easily. No further comment is needed. Some kind of (what we used to call) "Socio-Affective Personality Disorder", is my guess. The terminology has changed since the 70's, when I was an Evaluator/Test admniistrator-designer working for the State.

Robert, You obviously haven't been reading the other site. A couple of weeks ago, we did have a discussion of Kenny as a suspect. We discussed it, pro and con, and believe it or not, you were not mentioned. Someday, someone is going to read one of your posts and go to your website and say, "I'm going to see for myself what goes on over there". And, when they visit "The DB Cooper Forum", they're going to find it's not anything like you describe. Why does anyone care what he thinks! About anything. Passenger #3534-54756378-B is not going to get to fly the plane no matter what he threatens or says! There are people waiting to take him into custody - We don't give in to "terrorists". That's the bottom line. I dont give a shit if they are tweeting or twooting or dumpster diving on some socalled Skydiver's website or not! The guy is some kind of Wacko and that's all there is to this! I am sure Slick Bob appeals to old women, kids, and the feeble minded! The telling fact for me is after four long years supposedly parsing, discussing, and improving/revising his research for 'Blast - The True Story of DSB Cooper ?' (a title which he says he knows is a stretch but did not pick (Porteous did?), Blevins now puts up a brand new video at http:, which clearly shows Blevins' never intended to change anything! ... and he is not going to change anything now! The whole thing was a sham from the start! Blevins' has gone right ahead and put up a brand new long tedious video of his original sermon on Kenny, that started this whole farce four years ago starting in August 2010! Take the time to watch this new long tedious video of Bob's! Or, maybe skip the meal and all the hazards, and don't! After watching Bob's new video, of his old video, drink your Kool Aid and join Rev. Bob and Adventure Books of Seattle in Paradise! Goin' to the chapel and we're gonna get married. Goin' to the chapel and we're gonna get married. Gee, I really love you and we're, gonna get married. Goin' to the chapel of love. Spring is here, theeee sky is blue. Whooooa! the birds all sing as if they knew. Today's the day, we'll say, "I do" and we'll never be lonely anymore. Goin' to the chapel and we're gonna get married. Goin' to the chapel and we're gonna get married. Gee, I really love you and we're, gonna get married. Goin' to the chapel of love. Goin' to the chapel of love.

There may be other aspects to this dispute that you are over-looking, Bobby. Suppose Georger and Geoffrey did have their conversation as Georger has stated. Suppose that Geoffrey tells you one thing and Georger another? Is Geoffrey always truthful, and to everyone? If so, then what is the truthfulness of his claim that his book's release a few days after Marla hit the Big Time was not orchestrated purposefully? Similarly, do you beleive that Skippy always tells the truth to you? Do you think he might lie to anyone else? I know that he has lied to me about his relationship with Geoffrey, and I called him on it, after which he laughed like a little kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Perhaps Skippy told Galen all the things that Galen is claiming. It boils down to the question: how does one know the truth, and how does one build a trusting relationship? How does one know that the people you're conversing with are telling you the truth? You hit the nail on the HEAD! These same thoughts have been in the back of my mind through this whole thing. People operate from all kinds of motives. Told ya so... By the way, did you actually READ Bruce's post? He's insinuating that Geoff Gray lied somewhere along the line. Let me get this straight. First you quote Gray extensively, say his quotes are '1000% truthful,' and now you are willing to agree that he might be a liar occasionally? Uh, okay. Would you like a bigger shovel? More rope? People don't trap you. You just don't know when to quit. You'll toss anyone under the bus in your pathetic efforts to avoid admitting you were wrong. Fine. That's your problem, and it's a personal problem. Given a choice between what Gray told me in his email when he saw those things I pasted over in my message to him...I choose to believe Gray's comments on that, not your phony, unsupported 'phone call' claims. When I see the email from Porteous last month after he saw the screenshots of Cook's BS, I choose to believe Porteous over Cook because I've worked with Porteous since 2009 and dealt with him more times than I can remember. It's the greatest golf course ever built. I highly recommend it! Remember - NO SNAKE HANDLING!

Nobody's trying to 'discredit' your site. The site iteself, except for those outright lies by Cook, is fine. In fact, I have said repeatedly that I hope you guys accomplish something worthwhile in the Cooper case. The quote 'They deserve each other over there...' came to me in a private message from someone who was mostly referring to the users there who got banned from HERE for unwarranted and continuous attacks. That's what it means. I have visited your site occasionally when Greg the Techie Guy and I get together at his house. Then when I come back and visit THIS one, I notice that some of your users are dumping their lies and garbage at Dropzone. There's nothing you can do about that. But it does call those users' credibility into question. Georger for example, who continues to spout lies like Linda Blair spouting pea soup in The Exorcist. And if he does that HERE, how do you know the next thing he claims over THERE isn't the same thing? You don't. I can live with that, I've decided. I think anyone who isn't slanted sees through his BS easily. And I will tell you something. I don't mind criticism, questions, (if I can answer them) bad reviews, or whatever. But I will always stand up for myself against outright lies. When Georger claims that Geoff Gray spent three phone calls telling him very negative things about me, that is a LIE. When Georger says 'people who knew and worked closely with Kenny said he had a speech impediment,' that is a LIE. Not every note I took down on Christiansen is in the book. Not every question I asked about Christiansen is in the book. For example, since I already knew Kenny was gay when I was handed the assignment to do the interviews, (first thing I did was to read the Geoff Gray article) I also asked several people about his mannerisms. Let's face facts without getting into homophobia. It is a fact that you could work next to someone for years and never know they were gay. On the other hand, some gay folk hang their hearts out on their sleeve so to speak. Kenny was the former. You wouldn't know his sexuality simply by talking to him. He didn't have a speech impediment, a lisp, and he didn't talk in a feminine manner. I asked. And I asked several people about this. Some didn't know he was gay until I told them. I asked at least a dozen people who, unlike Georger's phony claims, actually DID know him. Georger is making himself look like a fool because his dislike for me is so intense that he has resorted to simply making shit up anytime it suits him. This is also why I no longer trust a lot of folks around here, and why some of your questions (not you, Shutter...OTHERS) go unanswered. Sure, I could tell you how Kenny got his house. I know all the details now. He paid cash for some of it, and financed the remainder. How much cash and how much financed? You can probably guess that, but I will present all updated info on KC on August 9th. Bruce Kitt and some other folk from the entity formerly known as Prince...just kidding...Northwest Airlines...will be in attendance. Except for 377 and Amazon and a couple of other folks, I couldn't care less if any of the people who post here show up. Besides. Why bother? You've heard 90% of it before anyway.

There may be other aspects to this dispute that you are over-looking, Bobby. Suppose Georger and Geoffrey did have their conversation as Georger has stated. Suppose that Geoffrey tells you one thing and Georger another? Is Geoffrey always truthful, and to everyone? If so, then what is the truthfulness of his claim that his book's release a few days after Marla hit the Big Time was not orchestrated purposefully? Similarly, do you beleive that Skippy always tells the truth to you? Do you think he might lie to anyone else? I know that he has lied to me about his relationship with Geoffrey, and I called him on it, after which he laughed like a little kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Perhaps Skippy told Galen all the things that Galen is claiming. It boils down to the question: how does one know the truth, and how does one build a trusting relationship? How does one know that the people you're conversing with are telling you the truth? You hit the nail on the HEAD! These same thoughts have been in the back of my mind through this whole thing. People operate from all kinds of motives.

Robert, I re-skimmed both Geoff's article and the book "Skyjack". I don't see any reference to Kenny's finances. Further, I think we had talked about this last year, so I asked Geoff directly at the 2013 Symposium whether he looked at Kenny's finances at all. He said he didn't. So, I have to think that information originated with Porteous. Regarding your witnesses, you still don't have any that will say definitively that Kenny was the hijacker or even that they know who is. So, far, I sense a lot of rancor between the former Geestmans, but nothing specifically about the hijacking. Yes, I do know I'm replying to my own post! RobertMBlevins, This is something we discussed on the forum last year and because we didn't nail it down, it's coming up again now. Can you confirm the issue of Kenny's finances (he bought his house for cash, he loaded a large sum of money to Bernie's sister, etc.) originated with Skip and/or you? You pointed me back to Geoff Gray both last year and this year, but I found nothing in his article or his book, and he denies ever looking into it. If we can nail down the genesis of that claim, it will be easier to validate. Thanks. I asked Geoff about this myself years ago and he told me he didn't look into Kenny's financial life at all. He didn't mention Porteous at all to me. Ive never communicated with Porteous. My sense is it is Blevins only who comments about KC's financial life. Maybe relying on Lyle's statements about KC's estate? As we know, Smokin99, Orange1, Farflung, and Shutter who questioned and broke the matter of KC's finances with actual research. Blevins waffled. Then Blevins comes out months later saying Lyle has now revised (lowered) the value of Kenny's estate and his socalled stamp & coin collection. Smokin99 did some excellent work on this, - as usual!

And he said all those terrible things about me, did he? Would you like me to post up Gray's email on that subject? I copy/pasted some of your claims and comments to him in an email. He had a response. Would you like me to post it publicly? All you have to do is ask. I'll bet even your friends would like to see it. Otherwise, stick a sock in it. Put up or shut up, as the saying goes. What you actually owe me is a retraction and an apology. Not that I'll ever get it. Nobody owes you anything SFB! Pluck your magic twanger, Frogy. btw: Here is what a hole looks like! Maybe you can find the remains of your Cooper theories, your book 'Blast - The True Story of DB Cooper!, and all the rest of your crap in it.

I don't think so. And you don't get off that easy. Again... True enough. Still, I hope you guys turn up something good on the case. But you'll probably do better if you stop worrying about me and cease engaging in Attack Dog Mode stuff at Dropzone because you feel threatened by me. Don't bother to deny this, your very presence and your extensive posts on the matter make it obvious. (*laughs*) Everyone sees it except for the Attack Dogs and the Cooper Royalty who hang out there. And few from the public are listening to you. They know fair and not-fair when they see it. You have to give them credit for intelligence, which is something you forgot.

I don't think so. And you don't get off that easy. Again... True enough. Still, I hope you guys turn up something good on the case. But you'll probably do better if you stop worrying about me and cease engaging in Attack Dog Mode stuff at Dropzone because you feel threatened by me. Don't bother to deny this, your very presence and your extensive posts on the matter make it obvious. (*laughs*) Everyone sees it except for the Attack Dogs and the Cooper Royalty who hang out there. And few from the public are listening to you. They know fair and not-fair when they see it. You have to give them credit for intelligence, which is something you forgot.

Take your pick, Dick. You mean dumping your trash at Dropzone? (and other places) You are what you eat! Cut your losses soon before you cause a riot at Auburn WA!

Following Georger's advice, I've been going back and reading the thread. Robert, do you know when you first pointed out you had other interests and were done with DB Cooper? August 22, 2010! And, I didn't just find one random one, there are several! http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3930600#3930600 "Sometimes I just get tired of chasing this stuff, and I will be honest here: I will be glad when the History Channel guys finish filming (Sept 8-12 in Seattle) and the modifications to the book are uploaded. Then I can move on to something else. My next project is a series of interviews with a young lady who was in horrible car accident in Tacoma at age 19. " Don't tell us you don't have the Cooper curse! I didn't even know that! Amazing! Didn't he just register on Aug 1 or 10th or something like that of 2010? And didn't YOU register even EARLIER? So what? You're right. I've always had other interests besides Cooper. Anyone who doesn't is obsessed or crazy. I am neither. I've already taken all the actions I need to in order to extricate myself from Cooperland. The script, the screenplay, the book for free (final edit), the KC report for free (same thing). And then Kenny Peter Christiansen can become someone else's problem. I did all I could, and provide enough information so that someone in the future, should they choose to do so...could finally get to the complete truth on him. I would call that better than anyone else has ever done on a suspect in the case. No man is an island, but one man can make a difference.

Following Georger's advice, I've been going back and reading the thread. Robert, do you know when you first pointed out you had other interests and were done with DB Cooper? August 22, 2010! And, I didn't just find one random one, there are several! http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3930600#3930600 "Sometimes I just get tired of chasing this stuff, and I will be honest here: I will be glad when the History Channel guys finish filming (Sept 8-12 in Seattle) and the modifications to the book are uploaded. Then I can move on to something else. My next project is a series of interviews with a young lady who was in horrible car accident in Tacoma at age 19. " Don't tell us you don't have the Cooper curse! I didn't even know that! Amazing! Didn't he just register on Aug 1 or 10th or something like that of 2010?

No worries, Andy. Nice school you go to by the way. I saw pictures of it in a news article. If it gives you any comfort, Geestman's family mostly isn't talking to him anymore. His sister Dawn, Dawn's daughter and her three grandsons...all think he was involved in the hijacking. They are not happy that he called his sister and told her to take everything back she told me in her interview. Here's a picture of his sister Dawn, at the time I spoke to her at her house on Fox Island, WA. (attached) Dawn Androsko told Marisa Kagan of History Channel that she wouldn't take back what she said, but that she couldn't bring herself to go on television against her brother. Neither would witness Helen Jones. Jones told History Channel she was frightened of Geestman. But the old lady has guts. She drove up to where they were shooting film in Bonney Lake and spoke to Pete Berg. Jones tells Berg that Kenny smoked Raleighs, and that Kenny admitted to her six weeks after the hijacking that he had been with Bernie Geestman the entire week of the hijacking, when the two men disappeared. Geestman claimed they went camping. This is doubtful at best.

Okay, I will accept that, except the part about 'alternate reality'. I do have respect for you, mainly due to your background etc. Unlike others, at least you haven't engaged in cheap character assassination and lies. However, I think the question on the flight path is legit. As well as the question on how a minimum of three bundles of the ransom cash could have somehow stayed together for a float down the Columbia that would have lasted for miles. It's either that, or the theory that 305 was miles west of the stated flight path is correct. I have sent Bill Rataczak an illustrative map I created from the maps available at Sluggo's website. There is a message that goes along with it. You've seen those maps, I'm sure. This particular map shows the flight path, the location of Tina Bar, and has a question on it in a special box. I simply ask Mr Rataczak whether the black line showing the flight path is accurate, or whether 305 either overflew Tina Bar, or was west of the freeway at any point north of Vancouver. I explain in the message why I am asking this question. (Because there are theories saying the stated route is incorrect and that 305 may have overflown Tina Bar, or was miles to the west of the stated path) I think this is a VERY legitimate question and I look forward to Mr Rataczak's response. I also provided my contact information, in case he wants to speak about this personally. SIDE NOTE: That NB-8 is still for sale at eBay. Last time it was up, the only bid was mine and I withdrew it. What would I do with it anyway? During the time it was up, I sent a message to the seller asking him if it was complete. He replied the canopy, etc is packed inside and he now shows pics of the packing card. Your chance to own a duplicate of the actual chute Cooper jumped with. Or very close. In a PM, 377 has said the asking price is worth it, as long as the chute is complete. Apparently it is. Be sure to tell him you are a personal friend of the Palmer Family! As long as you're trying to embarrass and trap people (as Gray predicted you would do!), why not make a jackass and trap yourself too!? Send Rataczak copies of your personal moose and turkey calls? Really warm the guy up!

Blevins, all of the above has been discussed before on this thread. There is also information supporting a flight path over Tina Bar that has not been discussed on this thread previously. Your only reason for claiming another flight path is because you need to have Cooper survive the jump in order to push your KC allegations and sell another couple of books to some suckers. Robert99 Allegations by Georger? That's another subject entirely. And this isn't about selling a book, either. That item will become freely available for a click within about sixty days anyway. No. This is about creating alternate reality in order to explain the Tina Bar money. And I think it's perfectly legit to offer up this alternate reality you've created to someone else for examination. Like say...a member of the actual flight crew who was on board 305 that night. Does this frighten you or something? I mean the possibility that Rataczak might laugh that idea off...that 305 was actually several miles WEST of the Interstate 5 freeway when all information on the true flight path says otherwise? Because this would have to happen in order to explain your scenario on the money. I have seen 'discussions' on this subject. I have heard talk about flight simulators. This is all well and good. But nothing substantial has been presented to support that idea. Like I said, let's allow Rataczak the opportunity to either confirm or reject that theory. *Prepping up map with illustrations* *Results will be announced August 9th* Oh the drama of it all! Chinese waiter sends Rataczak "documents" to examine! Send him your baseball hat and a singed book too! All the Cooper smurfs are doing it.

Really? Okay, Professor. Explain to us exactly how at least three bundles of the cash somehow washed into the same exact spot miles from the known flight path. Maybe they were tied together with little strings on their trip down the Columbia and picked out one little spot on Tina Bar later to hang out together, start a fire, and make smores. You keep ignoring this fact. And so did the Seattle FBI. In August 2010 I spoke to FBI agent Bob Fuhriman about this scenario for over an hour. I asked him the same question and whether the FBI wondered about that too, at the time they found the money. He was surprised. No, he said, they had NOT considered that idea. Nothing else was ever found at Tina Bar. No chutes, no other bills along any part of the riverbank, no body, no briefcase, nothing. Just three bundles of bills. Plane is OVER THERE. Bills are HERE. Miles away from where the plane actually was. If they 'floated' somehow to that spot, how did these bundles stay together for miles and manage to land in the same spot? You say...oh...maybe Flight 305 was over Tina Bar, and not miles east of that location, and that's how it happened. But that is against the evidence, and totally unproven. I will be sending this question to Bill Rataczak tomorrow afternoon and he has agreed to answer. If he says 'not a chance, we were EAST of the Interstate 5' then all that bullshit about sand grains goes back to the drawing board because you'll never convince me that MORE than one bundle, or LESS than MOST of the money ended up in the same spot without human intervention. If most of the money, or a great deal of it was found, you could surmise Cooper pancaked nearby. One bundle or less, you could surmise it somehow floated there from miles away. But THREE bundles together is hard to explain. Tom Kaye has also pointed to human intervention as the most likely means the money ended up there, and he finds no problems with the current stated flight path of 305. Neither do I, although I await Rataczak's response. Maybe you should go back to making up lies and rumors about Kenny Christiansen and quoting phone call slander that doesn't exist in reality. What will Rataczak say? Find out on August 9th.

Really? Okay, Professor. Explain to us exactly how at least three bundles of the cash somehow washed into the same exact spot miles from the known flight path. Maybe they were tied together with little strings on their trip down the Columbia and picked out one little spot on Tina Bar later to hang out together, start a fire, and make smores. You keep ignoring this fact. And so did the Seattle FBI. In August 2010 I spoke to FBI agent Bob Fuhriman about this scenario for over an hour. I asked him the same question and whether the FBI wondered about that too, at the time they found the money. He was surprised. No, he said, they had NOT considered that idea. Nothing else was ever found at Tina Bar. No chutes, no other bills along any part of the riverbank, no body, no briefcase, nothing. Just three bundles of bills. Plane is OVER THERE. Bills are HERE. Miles away from where the plane actually was. If they 'floated' somehow to that spot, how did these bundles stay together for miles and manage to land in the same spot? You say...oh...maybe Flight 305 was over Tina Bar, and not miles east of that location, and that's how it happened. But that is against the evidence, and totally unproven. I will be sending this question to Bill Rataczak tomorrow afternoon and he has agreed to answer. If he says 'not a chance, we were EAST of the Interstate 5' then all that bullshit about sand grains goes back to the drawing board because you'll never convince me that MORE than one bundle, or LESS than MOST of the money ended up in the same spot without human intervention. If most of the money, or a great deal of it was found, you could surmise Cooper pancaked nearby. One bundle or less, you could surmise it somehow floated there from miles away. But THREE bundles together is hard to explain. Tom Kaye has also pointed to human intervention as the most likely means the money ended up there, and he finds no problems with the current stated flight path of 305. Neither do I, although I await Rataczak's response. Maybe you should go back to making up lies and rumors about Kenny Christiansen and quoting phone call slander that doesn't exist in reality. What will Rataczak say? Find out on August 9th.

Yup. I would add, if anyone here champions a suspect and refuses to conduct reasonable follow-up investigatory work - such as Bobbby does with Bernie - then they better be ready for getting their feet placed to the fire with frequency. Hiding behind the rhetoric that such investigatory work is the job of the FBI is just that: hiding. Not only am I in complete agreement with Dannie Ten-Ten and his/her distain for lies and liars, I also can't stand scaredy cats. I already did my job regarding the witnesses involved in one Kenny Christiansen. In case you don't realize it, my life does NOT revolve around DB Cooper. I spent and/or lost a total of about $13,000 over a period of 18 months investigating Christiansen. And in the end, with the help of Skipp Porteous, and the research done by others like Geoff Gray and Tom Kaye's team, I came to a few conclusions. Yes, I suspect KC was the guy, but that is not yet a fact. Why should I toss out additional funds running around the state continuing to investigate these people. I've presented quite a bit on them already, enough to satisfy me that one Kenny Peter Christiansen belongs solidly on the suspect list. All I hear are complete rejections of the evidence, an effort to shut me out from other discussions, and serious efforts at places other than Dropzone to trash me and mine personally on the internet. I hear lies being told about me and stated as fact, such as Georger's constant baloney about Geoff Gray and phone calls, and whatever else he cooks up this particular week. Last week it was 'according to people who knew and worked with Kenny very closely, he had a speech impediment..." Next week, who knows what he will dream up next. And if I were to explore the case against Christiansen further, I wouldn't post the results to a website anymore, I can tell you that. Some of you can't be trusted. You've shown that. I know quite a bit more about who and what and where they've posted their bullshit...more than you think. Fine. My attitude is ... do your own work. I gave you the tools. Most of you are firm believers that it wasn't Christiansen. That's fine, that's your right. But if so, don't come to me with 'you should continue to investigate him,' because that is bullshit. Just write him off and move on. I think some of you are just pissed off because I cut you out of the information loop. Well, sorry...but that's what happens when you can no longer be trusted. My plan is to re-edit the book, clean up the KC report, and then release both of these to the public for free. I feel this is my obligation to the public, who may end up figuring out the whole Kenny thing on their own. Gotta give 'em the tools, though. The Kindle version will remain for sale, but at the absolute minimum rate. The only reason I'm leaving the Kindle is because Amazon will reach many more people than I can simply through our website. I'll do the screenplay (it's about 70% complete now) because I promised a couple of people I would finish it. And then I am done with Cooper. Five years is enough. I have one book ready for release, (which I am VERY excited about) and a series on the way in 2015. Cooper is not life. THAT kind of thing is my life. Editing for others, writing, working my day job. A few years from now I'll be retiring to New Mexico and continuing all that with the exception of the day job. And if you guys ever learn how to work together and stop backstabbing each other off-world (away from Dropzone) I would have a stroke. Cooperland is so full of bullshit (like Vietnam, i.e. 'Platoon') you need wings to stay above it. Here's what I owe you: Exactly nothing. Got anything on 'sharp sand' and the rumor of Cooper fecal matter? Could it be Kenny's fecal matter!? Did Lyle plant the money and fecal matter?

What I've read is that the Palmer report claims the money was found above the dredge spoil layer. I also heard Galen state emphatically that the money didn't arrive until shortly before discovery. Plus, this is the scenario I've heard Tom Kaye espouse. Does this satisfy your question, G? The bigger question, G, is what did the FBI do after the Tina Bar money find? Can you speak to that? What evidentiary process did the money find trigger? Dorwin indicated that the feds didn't do too much, and were basically passive - only following up on leads when they came it. Do you know if any agents went looking for more money? Plus, do you know why there are no shards up in Seattle currently? Or how the Seattle FO learned of the money find back in 1980? One thing at a time. The choices are: (a) The money was part of the active upper layers only, so arrived on the site with those upper two layers. Palmer judged those sand layers as arriving with the last high water at Tina Bar in 1979. (b) The money was part of an eroding lower layer which had finally eroded enough to expose the buried money, and was covered over with several upper active layers of sand. In the first case Palmer is entirely correct; in the second he is only part correct. Palmer did no lab work to substantiate his opinion. He relied on his experience alone and he states this explicitly. Other lab work that was done does not resolve the issue and is confusing in that it states 'round sand indicative of Columbia river water 'silts' was found between the bills - but these silts are not identified in terms of where they fit in Palmer's strata chart. Making matters worse there are statements like 'fragments at three feet', and the like. What stands out to me is the fact of 'round river water sand' (which matches Columbia river water silt sands) being found deep within the bundles between matted bills which the Ingrams had not been able to separate and clean. It would take some time for sand to work its way in between bills, if that did not happen early in the life of these bundles once Cooper lost control of them. That to me indicates those bundles had some long-term association (history) with the Columbia river basin and Columbia river water silts specifically ... versus being somewhere else in someone's possession in a non-Columbia context to be buried by someone years later at Tins Bar. For example, if 'sharp sand' had been found between those bills vs. round sand, then that speaks of a brand new scenario involving geology which is of a rather specific kind (and location). Sharp sand was not found between those bills which eliminates one possible scenario -

Tell me Dannie Ten-Ten, what do you think of my hypothesis that I posted here months ago about the money find at Tina Bar and the lack of evidence retrieval in the Ariel-Amboy area? Specifically, I wondered if the announcement by the FBI that the drop zone was over Ariel was an intentional act by the FBI to mislead the public and the media, and send them on a wild-goose chase away from the real drop zone further east and at higher elevation. I say this because the FBI agent Gary Tallis told me that he was an FBI spotter on helicopters for two weeks after the skyjacking in that eastern area, which was long after the ground search in Ariel was suspended. Plus, the guy who was leading the ground search in Ariel-Amboy told me that they only searched about five percent of the area, leaving most of it untouched until the feds came back five months later with the 200 soldiers from Ft Lewis. Why did they wait so long when there was no snow on the ground in Ariel? Further, there are compelling reasons to suspect that the money found at Tina Bar was planted there about 12-18 months before discovery in Feb 1980; ie: Palmer report. Was the money placed there by the FBI who found it up on the slopes of the Cascades, and they wanted to divert attention away from whatever took place there after the skyjacking, keeping pesky guys like you and me away from nosing around the events of early December 1971 east of Ariel? Perhaps the money was planted at Tina Bar to create exactly what has happened - mass confusion among researchers. Certanly the lack of any credible follow-up investigation by the FBI in the Tina Bar area, ie: combing the shoreline for more money, talking to fishermen, etc., suggests that the feds weren't too excited by the find. Sadly, Dannie Ten-Ten, there may be a lot of lying going on in the Norjak investigation. And we haven't touched on Earl Cossy's murder, yet. What are these "compelling reasons to suspect that the money found at Tina Bar was planted there about 12-18 months before discovery in Feb 1980; ie: Palmer report. " ?

Total self-serving mealymouthed personal rhetoric! No issues of censorship, civil rights, or 1st Amendment rights are involved in this - just the opposite! Actually everyone else is demanding their rights for a change! Along with Jo Weber, Blevins has been allowed more latitude to slander people and things, distort and disrupt, post his personal off topic garbage, and even engage in internet games with multiple registrations here - more than anyone else in the entire history of this Dropzone thread! The central issue here is 'what is this thread for'? If you being entertained and informed watching Robert Blevins and Jo Weber in their long protracted messy search for themselves and their personal identity in life, then you are in the right place! Because nothing else CAN happen here. The Personal Identity Thread Dropzone, formerly called the DB Cooper thread!. Love it or leave it. Blah blah blah ....

Quade, Please do the human race a service and get the Danielle1010 nutcase out of here. Robert99 Whoa, Robert Nine-Nine, I think we're just observing the therapeutic application of the f-bomb. Yes, it has been liberally applied, but still.... Just sayin'. If he/she/it/whatever is under the age of 18, in some places permitting such behavior might be considered as abetting the delinquency of a minor. Yeah. Well...if you hadn't blocked PM's (I didn't realize I was so threatening to you, annoying, or dangerous...sorry) then I could have explained a few things to you. His real name is Andy and he's a nice kid from the Atlanta area. He goes to a special school, a rather upscale one by the way. Why don't you just gently correct him instead of calling him a nutcase and asking he be banned? I could tell you more...but you're blocking messages. That's your perfect right of course. But it kind of keeps you out of the info loop when you do that, and makes people have to go public on you. Me? I ain't afraid of people. It's not like their messages are going to jump out and bite me LOL. I only ban people off the message or email when they get weird or threatening. Only guy on that list here is BK. Reach me anytime at adventurebooksofseattle AT G Frickin Mail Dot Frickin Com. It seems funny this is the one and only time I've ever seen you pick up a nasty post and call for someone to be banned. Nothing but attacks half the time around here. Never see a single word from you on that, do we? Double standard in place for sure. If you're going to come after someone for attacks or using the F bomb, be an Equal Opportunity Complainer. As far as the map with the arrows and text I sent to Rataczak, it's my intention to put the crash-and-burn once and for all to your theory that Flight 305 was anywhere near Tina Bar as it passed that point during the flight. In fact, I think it was at least six miles EAST of Tina Bar and on the EAST side of Interstate 5 at that point. Which means the money didn't fall from the sky or go into the river at Tina Bar. There's always the chance you could be right, of course. We will see if Rataczak agrees with you. I'm told that Rataczak has done extensive research for years and has a great deal of notes, etc regarding some of these things. And that he knows EXACTLY where 305 was at all times between Seattle and Portland. He says he's even pretty sure when Cooper jumped. He says he just doesn't know where Cooper landed. Well Danielle, you must be counting on a long life! You're going to do what!??? Put the crash and burn to Robt99 on matters of flight paths etc? Sounds just like something Danielle would say!

Quade, Please do the human race a service and get the Danielle1010 nutcase out of here. Robert99 A MannyK says Danielle is Blevins - who did the same thing posting surrogates on his Newsvine column ? We already know Blevins has broken into several websites where he was unwelcome. He got booted here by Quade for having two accounts. Dannielle come clean

Really? Sure they are. All I see from you is a lot of dancing and double-talk. And I think that's what everyone else will see as well. You've been called out on several issues now. You have no answers. Some relate to character. (i.e. outright lies) Fine with me if you want to go that route. But when you do, it sounds a lot like THIS.

Wouldn't he ask for copies ... if he was from another planet!? Souveniers? Betcha never thought of that one! ?