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Or, an oscillation of the stairs ... is seen as an fluctuation on the gauge. here we go again and around and around we go and where it ends nobody knows ... Or, 'I remember we were closing on Vancouver/Portland when the pulse event happened. ... When the pulse happened we all felt it and Bill looked back and said out loud: "I wonder if our friend has left us?" But we weren’t sure. Or, "oscillation of cabin rate of climb indicator." Or, "Oscillation of the cabin climb rate guage seems reasonable. It is conceivable that the oscillation could be just an indication that the airstair moving up and down was directly causing pressure cycles. It is more likely that the pressure cycles resulted from the plane bobbing up and down a bit ("porpoising") as a result of the airstair functioning as an elevator as it moved up and down in the airstream. It could have been that the hijacker was doing something like jumping up and down on the airstair to test its "feel" or to try to get the stair locked down." Or, "These were minor oscillations. We detected on the guages only. We just presumed pretty quickly that it was Cooper fiddling with the aft stairs but we weren’t one hundred percent sure because we were already flying dirty, with throttles up and fighting icing and weather. A lot going on and it wasn’t totally smooth even before the oscillations started. What we noticed was the pattern of the oscillations was continuing and there was a very minor disruption of the slipstream. Scott said at first he wasn’t feeling anything for sure, then a little later he thought there was more drag and the nose was deviating a little. When the final bump happened and the oscillations stopped that sealed it. But even then we weren’t sure and we waited before calling anybody. " Or, .. .

Hey ... Happy Holidays. . . .

That is interesting - and new. Who they communicate their info to ?

Why is there no video of these speeches people can refer to - was CC21 a private affair or a public conference? Ive never known of a socalled "conference" for which there is no record! Pretty shabby affair...not to mention not helpful to the public.

The wiring was 'real'. Cooper took pains to show the bomb and explain it. Ordinance experts who have read the relevant passages agree ... nobody should have challenged Cooper assuming the bomb was fake.

(1) In response to her query as to why he had chosen a Northwest airplane to hijack, he said ‘he had “a grudge but not against Northwest Airlines” adding ‘that the Northwest plane just happened to be in the right place at the right time’. (2) She asked him why he picked Northwest Airlines to hijack and he laughed and said “It’s not because I have a grudge against your airlines, it’s just because I have a grudge”. He paused and said ‘that the flight suited his time, place, and plans.’ How you skip from that to a grudge against US Government Corruption in Vietnam and elsewhere.." is beyond me. Maybe his grudge was against camels or birch bark or Chevrolets ? Should we ask Dr Edwards to do a probability analysis ?

Hahneman is a good suspect - he always has been, compared to all the others. The problem with all suspects continues to be hard evidence. There have always been real suspects vs all the others who are "social media suspects" only. Something for people to waste their time with and talk about endlessly vs actual suspects ... and the real DB Cooper is probably still out there untouched by the FBI or Social Media Practicioners (SMP's) ! Its just a game people play on the social media. Its like 'is the world round vs flat vs oblate spheroid! On and on and on and on ... with people burned at the stake in the process. Funny.

Reply to Tim Collins re podcast: how did Jo learn about the Heisson store robbery, and other details/people, in the Cooper case. The answer is simple. It was Jo's contact who was an attorney in either Portland or Vancouver, I forget which. If Collins will go back and read my posts at DZ back when he was there supporting the Duane theory, I finally asked Jo directly about her contact in Portland?, the attorney she talked to weekly .... and all Hell broke lose. I had just revealed publicly one of Jo's major sources she used in her attempts to build a DB Cooper case for Duane. I forget the woman's name but will go back and see if I can find it. I can't believe Collins is still at this in support of Jo and Duane Weber. Jo had a number of sources she cultivated and used regularly, often daily for years, in her attempt to cultivate a case for Duane and herself. Remember the 'angel' that popped out of nowhere when Jo had been abandoned by a producer who gave up on Jo - that 'angel' who appeared magically out of nowhere to rescue Jo and give her a ride, was also one of Jo's regular contacts in Washington ... Jo just called the woman and the woman came to Jo's rescue. But in Jo's story it was divine intervention - just as Duane Weber was also DB Cooper. Who else! ? Its hilarious how gullible people can be... and how Jo relied on that to get what she wanted. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and nothing more!

Lets take a concrete example of a Bayesian analysis, socalled. Evaluations/predictions in a Bayesian analysis are based on a statistical chain of events in time. Deviation from the chain requires a decision or some prior event or data with a large statistical bias, such that at some point in time there is a high statistical probability of a change. The FBI flight path is just such a case. See photo attached. According to different people 305 was faced with a decision at the Toldeo intersection. Go left (east) or continue (south - the west path). How does Tim's Bayesian analysis make that decision, based on what? How does it predict where the plane will go, based on what? Moreover, if 305 had vanished off of radar just after passing Toledo, where would Tim's Bayesian analysis predict we would find the plane? This should be enlightening ? If Tim's analysis is a Bayesian analysis of the flight path then Tim must have predictive data which decides which direction 305 will go AT the Toledo intersection ? But I am in the dark about what precisely Tim is claiming to have done, that requires a Bayesian Analysis, if that is what Tim has actually done ?

Where's Tim's (PLF) bayesian analysis ? Where and when did he do that? Can people see it? A bayesian analysis of what !? *Bayesian inference is a method of statistical inference in which Bayes' theorem is used to update the probability for a hypothesis as more evidence or information becomes available. Bayesian inference is an important technique in statistics, and especially in mathematical statistics. Wikipedia

Sorry not the same guy - how do I remove this post here ? Cant find a REMOVE button ?

The subject of the 302 inquiry is: how did a movie producer get a "printout" of this alleged recording, and from whom. The assumption being made is: the recording is real! Made by whom ? The FBI wants to know who supplied confidential information to this 'movie producer' - what is the source ? Names are used but of course they are redacted...

Well if this is the case that would be news. A cockpit voice recorder? That IS news. Unclear if it picked up 'the Cooper'. When and how will we know if it picked up 'the Cooper' on the interphone? Does anyone have a spectrogram of Cooper's phonology .... of course not. Cockpit recorder is a mic in the cockpit not the FDR... and the wings and wheels are not cockpit recorders. I git it! Does 377 have a manual for this cockpit recorder ?

Moreover - as TK believes, there is no way money can appear on a sandbar near Vancouver without some intervening story: Cooper survived and walked south, Cooper died but his money was discovered ... the plane did not fly over Tena Bar, the money did not fall at or near Tena Bar, . . . that gap may never be filled. Given the facts currently understood, Cooper did not jump over or land in the Columbia River. (nothing supports a Columbia landing. Tosaw tried but could not get that theory to work!)

Sounds like the money was in a large paper grocery bag! Or maybe H was just expressing an opinion? Maybe H had no personal knowledge. Lots of options of course. You keep reciting the options that fit your narrative. You sound unsure ? (laughing) Its also strange Rataczak would divert from his lecture to zero down on how the money was wrapped? Jo Weber must have called him and asked .... ?

Come on, Georger. A lot of that stuff you said there just isn't true. Like anonymity, rules, and the revealing of names. The last time I revealed who you were (figured it was fair since you kept entering subject lines with my name on them) the post was removed by Quade and I was warned. That is the rule: anonymity rule here. No personal info posted. You are correct above. The same should apply to aka Amazon. Complaints have been filed. Amazon uses a nym. Is anonymous. Shall we violate her anonymity? I can. I can also file a complaint with her isp.

Now you're talkin'. Even a Torah reading would be cool. Or Revrun JW. could lead a seance where DB could communicate with us from the Big Beyond. Set the story straight, so to speak.... And your posting it again is not helpful. Never contact me again! It's a baldfaced attack against me by Aamazon to shut me down by a clear violation of the rules here at Dropzone, if there even are any rules here! Rules for us. No rules for Aamazon, Blevins, Weber, and Danielle. It's pure spite on Amazon's part, I guess to redress some grievance she has _ against me? The lady who once said she had been kicked out of more (places) than . . . It's a clearcut violation of the rules she has repeated at least three times here. And the rest of the story is! Amazon herself HIDES under the anonymity of "Amazon" here! Only a handful of people know her name. But if I released her name here - all hell would break lose! I would be banned in seconds! Amazon is nothing but another Dropzone HYPOCRIT who is allowed to violate the rules, while the rest of us are held to different higher standards.! _ _ _ Any feedback yet on having turned Danielle into authorities in Atlanta for its threats made against Geestman and others here at Dropzone? Just one more clearcut violation of the rules which Mods here chose to ignore here What's next? ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and Hamas spreading their venom and bullshit here on the Cooper Thread at Dropzone.com ?

We're not going to do that after all. Not at this time, anyway. I don't see the point of it since we haven't completed our investigation into KC yet. I saw Georger's usual hateful garbage posted above. I read a couple of bits from my sci-fi book and a couple of flash fiction stories to a small crowd. Fairly harmless stuff, no mention of Cooper or the book. 'Shifting his eyes' meant I was looking down at my notes, by the way. And I don't care whether you liked the video or not. You're in negative mode 100% of the time, scrabbling, sniffing, and searching for anything you can scrounge up so you can post more non-Cooper negative Blevins Attack Dog Shit. You're like Oliver Crangle from the Twilight Zone episode 'Four o'Clock'. So your comments are expected, typical...and yes...predicatable. 9 He who has ears, let him hear." 10 The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?" 11 He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and he who has more will have more abundance. But, whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; and hearing, they do not hear or understand. They do not know me. They only think they know me! Then he said: he who has eyes, let him see! 5 For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they do not see with their eyes. They have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts. To those who are stricken I say: And a session with Golda would heal them! Then blessed would be your eyes because they see, and blessed your ears because they hear. Restore by a session with Golda! Go see Golda and all shall be restored. Golda, who is no mystery to anyone, wrote and asked for the link to the Blevins video again, so here it is, Golda. That all may see with their own eyes and know. Blessings to all and upon you, Golda! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsuE_2f-fyM

No. I say we call it like it REALLY is. Georger engages in post after post at Dropzone where he does absolutely nothing except serve as the Designated Blevins Attack Dog. That, my friends, is a fact. And that fact is proven by his own words, his subject headers, and posts. Any positive or contributory posts he makes to this thread on Cooper are few and far between. Mostly they are Blevins-oriented. He's gone after me, my cat, Gayla Prociv, AB of Seattle in general, B and G Housecleaning, whatever he can think of or lay his hands on elsewhere. He is no longer about investigating the Cooper case, at least not here. This is an obsession on his part and he doesn't mind pulling out the stops in this quest. Right now I'm answering these things and at the same time trying to burn a DVD for my mom of my reading for Auburn Days. I promised her one. Crowd was small by the time I took the stage, but no problem. Everyone had fun. I'm sure if I posted the link to the video from YouTube, (because Andy aka Danielle 1010 asked) Georger would find fault with that as well. He is nothing but predictable. That's for sure. Cops stopped by the theater today. They've seen Galen Cook's crazy Porteous posts from the alternate site. They asked us if he had come to the theater. I was nice. I said no problem. But the fact I had to do that at all just shows what Cooperland can be about. Sometimes (just sometimes) things need a second look.

No. I say we call it like it REALLY is. Georger engages in post after post at Dropzone where he does absolutely nothing except serve as the Designated Blevins Attack Dog. That, my friends, is a fact. And that fact is proven by his own words, his subject headers, and posts. Any positive or contributory posts he makes to this thread on Cooper are few and far between. Mostly they are Blevins-oriented. He's gone after me, my cat, Gayla Prociv, AB of Seattle in general, B and G Housecleaning, whatever he can think of or lay his hands on elsewhere. He is no longer about investigating the Cooper case, at least not here. This is an obsession on his part and he doesn't mind pulling out the stops in this quest. Right now I'm answering these things and at the same time trying to burn a DVD for my mom of my reading for Auburn Days. I promised her one. Crowd was small by the time I took the stage, but no problem. Everyone had fun. I'm sure if I posted the link to the video from YouTube, (because Andy aka Danielle 1010 asked) Georger would find fault with that as well. He is nothing but predictable. That's for sure.

My personal problem is I have never liked con artists and liars. Do you qualify?

Actually, no. It was Geoff Gray in his 2007 New York Magazine article who first mentioned Kenny was gay, which he probably got from the family, since everyone in his family knew his orientation from the time Kenny was sixteen onward. And I never made any mention of anything else, simply because after all the investigation I did on him, there was nothing else to mention regarding his sex life. Sixty-five plus witnesses later...still nothing. And you can bet I checked out that possibility thoroughly, especially after I read the Geoff Gray article. Whether he was Cooper or not is still open to question, of course. Some of the people I interviewed on Christiansen had known him for decades. None of them even mentioned a hint that he might be raping young boys. None. Georger says in part: ***'I'm still looking for the "someone responds to you in a reasonably intelligent way", but can't find it.' I see. This comes to me from the same guy who posts up Boots and Pants and Aflac as a response. Sure, you can go with that story if you wish. Well smartypants n boots: it is a FACT Porteous told people Kenny was gay and more, how did he say this .... let me go look at a few emails .... ah yes here's one, quoting: "That KC was a gay man and liked boys. I asked Skipp what kind of a suspect he was entertaining and Skipp said, "well I didn't pick him. But we know he liked and (groomed) boys. Yes, the usual thing. Gifts were involved............" Porteous is thinking about a book and confides to the recipient further .... but I wont quote that part. That straight from a person who Porteous confided to ... before you even existed. Want me to look up more? But I will say this. At one time you were supposed to be just a publisher, someone to publish for Porteous, not his writer! Someone else was going to fill that role. Your be the writer came later. You were simply supposed to be a sidelight in any event, an anecdote, not even a full fledged partner! Somehow Porteous went to the side and you became Major Domo Owner of the whole Kenny schule! Wow! Nice piece of work. How the fuck did that happen! Care to explain? Porteous and Gray came before you. That is a fact currently being played at the Riviola. Pants n boots! AFLAC!

I'm still looking for the "someone responds to you in a reasonably intelligent way", but can't find it.

What toll? A toll on you? You either don't know a damned thing about how I work in interviews or info-gathering, or you just don't care. We have literally hundreds of pictures, documents, witness statements, and notebooks filled to the brim with (you guessed it) NOTES. Most of them are pretty well organized now. If anyone I questioned feels 'stressed' it certainly isn't because of me. What's pissing YOU off is that we're now working with Geestman's family as well, and not telling you a thing about the details. Too bad. You have no idea what you are talking about here. Except in the case of Bernie Geestman, I am free to re-interview almost anyone I have interviewed previously. They are always free to say no, but most would say yes. In fact, you have a lot of nerve harping on me about this when the only thing I ever suggested regarding Christiansen is the same thing you've been doing with other suspects...investigating him as possibly being DB Cooper, which might actually make him a hero to almost everyone except law enforcement. On the other hand, when it is convenient for you, then you go along with the idea of accusing Christiansen of being a child molester...a person who would certainly be universally hated by nearly everyone. It's a cheap shot, and not fair to his family. We're not talking about proof, or even a lack of real evidence. We're talking about something completely made up without even a WHISPER of the slightest evidence, even after multiple interviews with people who not only knew Christiansen, but in some cases LIVED WITH HIM for years. You want to go down that road with Bruce Smith, feel free. It's one thing investigate a guy for Cooper with the full cooperation of his family, and quite another to start tossing out unsubstantiated bullshit like that. And that's exactly what it is, Georger...BULLSHIT. I've interviewed more than 65 people who knew Christiansen very well. You can't be a 'nice guy' and a child molester at the same time. Being gay is not a crime, and even McWilliams never saw any evidence of what Bruce hints about Christiansen. In fact, McWilliams told Geoff Gray that KC had adult relationships, not with kids. From what I know of KC, (and that is actually MORE than Geoff Gray knows because he never talked to the people who knew Kenny the best, although I updated him later) Kenny just liked helping kids out sometimes. Doesn't mean he raped them, sir. There was absolutely no hint of inappropriate behavior on his part. NONE. These things I discussed above are much of the reason I cut people like you and Smith out of the information loop. I no longer trust Cooperland or so-called Cooper Royalty because some of you need more than two hands to grind the many axes you carry. Some of you will stoop to the lowest stuff imaginable in pathetic attempts to discredit others. That's your way. What's really bothering you is the idea we might be right. In the world of Cooperland, that is the ultimate fear. That some renegade, a newcomer like me, might be able to figure it out and all your work would have been for nothing. It is the worst possible outcome for you, so you will try almost anything to avoid that. You know this, and so do I. Your very words have proven that easily. You've gone after Gayla, AB Books in general, our housecleaning biz, and just about everything else that has zip to do with KC or Cooper. And when you did that, you sacrificed both credibility - and in my humble opinion - a bit of character. When we finally wrap our current investigation into Christiansen, I will present what we have on him, but not a second earlier. Then you can attempt to shred it all you like based on its merits, or the lack of same. Nothing you say will stop that, or even slow it down for a moment. But like I said before I wouldn't worry. Many have been investigated and so far none of the suspects has panned out. Kenny might join their ranks as well. OK. Thanks for the advisory. Boots n pants. Pants n boots. Boots n pants. Pants n boots. AFLAC!