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Photo taken in 1979 in Salt Lake City. This guy was working in the old Business Administration Building - which also housed Church Literature and Visitors Centre. Other offices also occupied space at that time in the building. Duane had gone into look at the directory - and went down the hall. He said the man was just leaving. We went out and he set me up in front of the Assembly Hall and told me that he wanted me to take pictures - and when a man with a brief case who would be coming out of the building to our left that you cannot see (was set way back and lots of trees) I was to take that mans picture. Duane left the area so this man could not see him - why all the secrecy - why didn't he want this man to see him with me taking a picture. When the pictures were developed I put them in the album and Duane asked me where the negatives where - (I thought that was ODD at that time) and only recently found the significance of this photo. When and if you guys do - this case is over. I am still waiting for the confirmation of what I was told about who this was and what the emblem (chevron) on his cuff means. This outfit appears to be a civilian outfit with brass buttons and a chevron on the cuff - that was and is a clue. Only an elite few were allowed to wear this chevron on the cuff of civilian clothes. Who is this man, what does the chevron mean, and what was his past and why did Duane NEED this picture? I already have the answer to parts of this, but want verification. I want if from several sources - just because. I gave this to the FBI months ago and told them about it yrs ago with - Zero interest on their part. Reply> Just the tip of the iceberg, I would imagine. I mean you and Duane's behavior. Sinister. Two morons running around doing cloak-n-dagger. Did it ever occur to you, you might be arrested or at least questioned and placed on a list? And shouldn't the real DB Cooper be in hiding vs out snooping around taking clandestine photos of CIA people in public, in broad daylite!? This "Cooper" (Duane and Jo Snooper Industries) can operate overt and covert without risk or fear of detection, in spite of the fact one of them is one of the most sought out criminals on the planet and on the FBI's top ten list! All in Sault Lake City no less, where people are rather sensitive to being watched and photographed ( a relative of mine for example, who was in adminstraton at the major Bell Telephone complex there)! Duane must have been sensitive to the fact a lot of governmental work goes on in Salt Lake City, but you two morons are out there playing games and photographing people and it never occurs to you YOU are being photographed? And Duane is the real DB Cooper no less! I have thought all along there must be some reason why a seasoned FBI agent like Himmelsbach would take up the Weber case and give Jo his attention once her hundreds of phone calls began pouring in. Simple woman "just looking for the truth". (Its the way the Ingram fiasco began with one simple phone call coming in...) So H decides these two morons were worth looking at. So why not look at them since Jo is insistent, even as H knew Duane didnt even fit the physical profile of DB Cooper. It's enough to puzzle the average tabloid bottom feeder. But morons will be morons! Georegr

all is well so far as I know. Im caught in snow storm trying to get to Grandma's house. Have the Big Bad Wolf tied up in the trunk. Kids watching the Wizard of Oz in the back seat. Your chart is Great! I want to thank Jo for standing in for me the last several weeks while Ive been away - hear she's had some rousing dicussions with herself. That's good! Must run... Merry Christmas and Happy Chanukah to all, and a Blessed New Year. Georger.

Reply> Share with us how the Cooper affair became so sleazy. Georger

==================== Georger one cannot nip something in the bud if they don't know it is in bloom. I have NO control over what someone else states or derives from a conversation. What the hell do you care anyway - unless you are vested in a book you are writing....... Reply> In other words, mind my own business? Your and Duane's story belongs to you alone? You have harmed no one in your "pursuit of the truth"? Georger

Or, rather than working for the CIA, Duane had some friend he met while in prison in WA. This person alerted Duane to the Cooper story going on in WA and from that a interest developed and a trip? And that person (the guy he met in prison) was working for the CIA! (arent they all?) We now have three maybe four brand new threads: "I never agreed with or suggested that Duane participated in any search...I had a Boss who claimed he (the boss) participated in the original search." (1) Jo had a boss who may have been in the search for Cooper. Who was Jo's boss!? This may have filtered to Duane. "That is a bunch of bunk - I claimed Duane was Cooper from the beginning or that he knew who Cooper was. Himmelsbach and I "talked" about the different ways Duane could have been privey to the search area, but I never agreed to this, (2) Jo and H discussed if Duane had ever been in the search for Cooper. (3) Jo discussed that Duane knew who the real Cooper was. (4) Jo and H and others discussed all of this freely, seriously, according to Jo. But who is the instigator in all of these communications? Is H chasing Jo around for information about Duane? When you realise all of this may have absolutely nothing to do with the real DB Cooper or the DB Cooper case, but be ancilary and a creation by Jo Weber, that is when my detector goes off. As in, how many nuts can show up at a fire and all show too much interest and one claim responsibility? Is it just a Full Moon of what!? Georger

That is a bunch of bunk - I claimed Duane was Cooper from the beginning or that he knew who Cooper was. Himmelsbach and I "talked" about the different ways Duane could have been privey to the search area, but I never agreed to this, REPLY> Which search area are you talking about? Merwin Lake the original search area 71-72 or Orchards a later search in 1975? Your talks with H did not happen until the 90's? I claimed Duane was Cooper from the beginning or that he knew who Cooper was. Himmelsbach and I "talked". REPLY> How would Duane know who Cooper was if he wasnt Cooper himself? Georger

I never agreed with or suggested that Duane participated in any search...I had a Boss who claimed he (the boss) participated in the original search. If someone introduced that as a way of Duane knowing the area - I might have said maybe and checked it out with the same results I got today - except I went one step further this time. As always that did not explain the things I saw and held in my hands. ----------------------------------- Reply> So "your boss" participated in a Cooper search? Not Duane. And from this it became Duane? Why didnt you nip it in the bud when it became public knowledge? Or, you have also stated Duane may have know WHO Cooper was. How would that be possible and when would he have known that? Georger.

My information has not come from Sluggo. You can bank on that. My information comes from the State of Washington, where a lot of people dont see you as the owner of the Cooper legacy. These people say flat-out it was YOU who started the idea that Duane had done a search at Orchards in 75. That you are evidently recanting is no surprise. Its not the first time. You are always so cock-sure of yourself, day to day, its no wonder conflicts emerge. Nobody can't follow your machinations. It's too wearing! Good luck. Georger

You don't even need to get a printer. You can self publish on the web pretty cheaply or freely nowadays. Get your message out. However deep the conspiracy goes, heads will roll. The American people will back you up when you lay it out for them. I agree. Take it right to the top of Walmart. Tinfoil is hazardous.

Jo Jo Jo! You are the one (primarily) who originated the idea that Duane had been involved in a search "with the FBI" around Orchards 1975. This predates Sluggo by years, so far as I know. That Sluggo would pick up on this later, working with your papers?, makes some sense. Only Sluggo can explain where he developed the idea and how, if that is the case. I have no idea if Sluggo even believes this, or if he does how firmly he believes it. And he may very well have heard this from people in Washington ... who seem to be aware YOU first peddled this story! I have said a thousand times YOU are NOT the centre of the Cooper universe. But, in an earlier epoch people were listening to things you said. The irony of the whole thing is it appears at the time you were attempting to piece togther some connetion between your Duane and the Cooper case. Then you abruptly began claiming "Duane was Cooper"! That astounded a number of people. So, as far as I can tell historically, you hav had it both ways. (1) Duane was not DB Cooper but only involved in trying to find or search for DB Cooper, and (2) Duane was DB Cooper. Make up your mind! You only have yourself to blame. Georger

Reply> The "seed" is in WA and has nothing to do with Sluggo, or with you. If you think, you already know that. X told you and I am not referring to Sluggo. You are not the centre of the Cooper universe. Never were and never will be. Georger

QuoteJo, I think Georger is referring to the skull inside Cooper's head, not in an attic. Reply> Jo is just avoiding the issue, playing the dumb blond card. .... until she can drum something up to try and counter the facts. But these are facts. No debatable conjecture. If Jo has Alzheimers or something and really cant think, is impaired, then of course that is another reason to question everything she says. I should have brought this all out the first post I made hre at DZ. Would have saved everyone a lot of time. I apologise now I didnt! (Had I known I would have!) Even this forum has to have some integrity. Georger

You are now referring to the old skull kept by the old woman in Colorado. What in HELL does that have to do with this or anything? I know more about that skull than you do or ever will! We are talking about DUANE'S SKULL ... CONCLUSION: The only possible connection Duane Weber may have had with the Cooper case is some interest he formed in the case during Duane's time ind Washington. Perhaps something related to his prison time or someone associated with his prison time in the State of Washington, that Duane kept up with after his release from prison in WA. There is the persistent rumor Duane was involved in an FBI ground search for Cooper in 1975 at or near Orchards WA. The details of that if it is true, are a total mystery to me. I know nothing about this outside of it being a persistent rumor which first sprang forth about the time Douglas Pasternak was doing his research on Duan Weber. But Doug Pasternak says nothing about this in his article. Jo is playing games here. She knows very well what physiological traits are. She has no trouble discussing forensics in other matters (like the Caylee Anthony case in her home state right now!). Jo simply does not wish to discuss basic forensics when it comes to her case, the Duane Weber case. Jo isnt dumb. Jo is selective and opportunistic. Georger

No I remembered everything Jo had said before about the glasses. It was garbage when she said it, and it's garbage now. And those sunglasses she posted aren't a good match in my view. I am interested in finding a good match for the sunglasses, circa 1971. If anyone finds pics, post away. I was thinking about the old Oakley razor blades. You know how guys who wanted to appear "hi energy" etc used to wear them. I wonder if the older Cooper picked the wraparounds because of some self image thing...thinking about him being a risk taker also. It kind of goes against the image of the middle-aged downtrodden guy in a black suit. So the sunglasses seem interesting. (as does the choice of clip-on vs real tie) I have no idea but Im even wondering if wrap- arounds were that common in '71, except in urban areas? Most men wore standard rim sun glasses, shooting glasses, tc. Jumpers might have preferred wraparounds if they could get them? Who in the PDX/SEA area sold wrap arounds? Maybe Im all wet but its a question. Georger

Actually I did see that and guessed that is what you were looking at. But come on Jo, MANY people have that expression when they are angry. There is a reason that cartoon caricatures of angry people are drawn like that - like this for example: . This has nothing to do with expressions or with glasses but with basic bone structure and proportions. It's like arguing a house cat is a camel. People have skipped over this for years. That's fine but no more. Georger

Raleighs came with a coupon. People collected them (like Green Stamps), to be redemed for merchandise. Its a very long shot, records may not even exist, but if we had an area it might be something to look for .... there were even a few redemption centres around the country you could walk in to ... some of the Green Stamp centres also redemed Raleigh coupons etc... Georger

from . Jo. You have had quite a ride. Huge investment. Your whole ploy has been based on the assumption Cooper was such a mystery and so poorly defined, with 1000+ candidates later any damned yo-yo candidate could work. Sorry but you went too far when you are trying to compare ectomorphic skull (with kidney disease no less!) with a mesomorphic skull! Jesus Christ lady! We arent totally stupid! This is child's play. Beginning arithmetic. Elementary. So just go ahead and keep yammering and accusing and damning Ha Ha Ha. I trust people (with a brain) to know the difference and you can continue to entertain the rest. It's your destiny. Im sorry but this is the very best I can do for you. Good luck. Georger.

The Vegas System was done using multiple photos and I can say without a doubt this little experiment and all of this drooling Snowman and Georger are making will not hold up against that system. I have already explained the glasses - Duane needed them for close up and not for distance - DO you know what FAR sighted means? He could shoot a pine cone out of a tree without his glasses. He culd see a fox without his glasses - I always missed them. I didn't meet Duane unti 1977 - and any photos I have of him from before that have been acquired by asking and some that were volunteered. If you were Cooper would you want pictiures of yourself out there without glasses and with sunglasses on - would you want anyone to even get a hint you were Cooper? NO. As for the mouth of the prison photo - He was Mad as Hell wasnt he. Some of you are so set in your opinion that Duane was NOT Cooper that you failed to see the obvious - you focused on the expression and the lower lips - what you didn't see is the turn at the corners of the mouth. Then look at the other photos and note the lips are very similar to the composite - put a slight pout of agitation on the regular lips along with the down turn corners and you have the mouth Rose was trying to draw. The only way to know for sure - is what no one has done - Do a photo line up with Tina using ALL of the suspects with multiple photos of each and look-a-likes, then add in a few decent matches from the general population. These pics to be used should be chosen by surviving memeber of the families - then we will know a fair representation has been done. If I had photos (multiple pics of all the suspects) and other look-a-likes I would try to go to Tina myself...but if i did that the FBI would refuse anything gained from such a meeting. Frankly I think about it a lot, but then I ask my same question every tiime. What if she were my daughter? I have not ever given up that little piece of hope that one day she and I will meet privately, but after all these yrs it will not happen. She has a right to a life with privacy and I will not be the one to take it away from her. Once again you grasp for things which have no application here. Its over Jo. Georger.

Duane was FAR sighted and did not need prescription glasses for the jump - this was to his advantage. He could drive without glasses. And yes he had sunglasses and he had prespription sunglasses during our marriage - but he was older and your eyes change as you age. I do not know if he had prescription sunglasses prior to our marrage in 1978. Attached is a pair of sunglasses he owned in 1971 - and this is not a staged photo...the woman was his wife and they both owned a pair of these glasses - you have seen this before and we discussed all of this before...in detail. The photo was taken around the same time as the dye hair (polaroid shots). I am attaching a second photo of the glasses she is holding - dead ringers aren't they - This photo was taken in the fall of 1971 in Georgia - I believe this is the Sandy Springs Market. This is the closest I can come to the glasses being in the LDS safe in Salt Lake....HAHAHA. Snowman are you getting Old Timers - we have gone over and over all of this before - I am the one who is supposed to be delusional and crazy, but my memory is a helluva lot better than yours. Reply> Glasses? What have glasses got to do with physical anthrpology? Are you now saying Duane was a chimp, bonobo, or lemur? HA HA HA ! Georger.

QuoteYou are using a very old prison shot that was scanned by the brother and squashed - The shots before and after are not like that. There was total distortion of the head and face on that one prison shot but it was used by the media in the beginning becaue we didn't have anything else except the other photo I had. You are also using the BING CROSBY composite - the witnesses will tell you it was a no Bananas thing. This is how Cooper got away...by the time the FBI put out a decent composite, Cooper was gone - he had changed his looks -longer hair and dental work - gained weight and Ha Ha Ha they would never catch him now. HA HA HA.[/repl Reply> Your word is worthless.

I've been thinking about the idea of the sunglasses possibly being a special purchase just for the hijack, i.e. a disguise. This was when I realized, from the sketch and description, that they were wraparound plastic. Not aviator style, not Ray-Ban Wayfarer style. I was wondering why a 45 year old man in 1971 would purchase wraparound shades. My bias thinks they would skew younger. But maybe they were bought just for the hijack? I don't have a picture yet of wraparounds from that era, that I think are a good match. I guess Jo will be telling us shortly about Duane's wraparounds, in the safe at LDS headquarters. Shalom. Happy Holidays. Georger

Duane has completely different cranial proportions. Complete different ear & lobe proportions. Now, would it not be hilarious that we have been sitting here for months dicussing this seriously? And Jo has ben at it for ears, and they arent even the same primate! ? Hilarious! I am now going to really split this shit open. Where, oh Jo?, where is a good photo of Duane? A straight up facial shot? A why withold that for 13+ years? And anyone spent 5 mins discussing this over the years without even so much as a real photo of the guy? Get off the grift, Jo Blo! most of the comparisons I've seen have Duane wearing glasses which doesn't make sense to me. Jo was hard pressed to find any pictures of Duane without glasses of the right age...because he wore them all the time. Remember I dismissed Duane solely because of that. I couldn't understand these "matches" done at Vegas with glasses on. I always noticed these diffrences but just didnt say anything, to let Jo go on with her agenda. Ckret told us in the beginning where this was at, but Jo continued with her neurotic demonstration. Maybe Jo will now come up with some new photos of Duane, but there is no resemblance between Duane and any Cooper photo I have, and I have them all. That includes the Schafner remake. With or without sun glasses, cranial proportions etc. don't lie. Georger.

Duane has completely different cranial proportions. Complete different ear & lobe proportions. Now, what does it say to have discussed Duan for months - at Jo's urging. Not to mention the years Jo has ben at it, and they arent even thesame primate! ? And why in all these year has Jo never given the world a decent photo of Duane to look at? I mean if she wishes to explore Duane being Cooper, or wants to prove that, did she even give the FBI a decent photo, and at we we ...... scum to be served slop? Its hilarious. Georger

A few thouand phone calls more pestering the hell out of people wont matter. BARADA NIKTO, GORT!