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It's far more likely he just knew the door could open. Most people did since that wasn't an uncommon way for people to enter and exit the aircraft. It was fairly common knowledge. If Cooper was a whuffo, then that's really all he needed to know in order to ask for parachutes. Since he didn't seem to know jack shit about parachutes, there's no reason to assume any special knowledge of anything else either. Hell, how many times have we heard skydiver ask if such and such a plane was possible to jump from? As long as it has a door of any type, most people are going to assume some type of exit can be made and unless it's right over a prop or in front of an engine, they're probably right. In other words, assuming special knowledge of the plane as a jump platform is a blind ally as far as finding him. Logically . . . of course. I agree with this viewpoint. In addition Cooper demonstrated he needed help getting the door open - asking a stew to do it no less!. (This assumes she would know or had done it before?.) The only caveat is he asked "no cabin pressure". That may imply what?

Duane DID NOT confess on his death bed and I am sick of trying to correct this image. Yes, his kidneys where failing, but he had been in the hospital for about a wk and a half. He told me to bring his brief case to him and he presented to the DR and his nurse and the HOSPITAL Administration papers I did not know existed. Right to die and other papers - he asked the Dr. to note the DATE they were signed. This was in March of 1995 and the documents where dated 1990 Without diaylsis he expired 11 days later...with a little assistance from the staff - if you know what I mean. I did not know these documents existed as I never pryed into his affairs - and did not know the combination to his briefcase. So Pasternak is wrong? Your earlier posts all through this thread are wrong?> What are you saying NOW? What are you and Sluggo talking about? Whats the big secret? Why the sudden revision on long standing discussion?

Mr. Pot . . . Mrs. Kettle. The entire topic is a waste of time yet there are a number of people involved. Why? Because it's what they do. You will no more find the answers in this thread than on a Ouija board. In fact, you might find better answers on a Ouija board, but that's not going to stop the people involved from continuing to post here. You have a valid opinion.

A very thought provoking post G. I like it when people think out of the bax and question so called "expert" conclusions. Maybe all the money was there but they only excavated about $5800. Hmmmm. I'd like to hear TK's views on the money fragment deposit scenario. Has he stopped working on Norjack or is TK just working in silence? I think Bruce is off to a good start with is manuscript, but Cossey fed him BS about a "Paradise chute" IMHO. I've given Bruce some edits to clean up the glaring gear errors. If Bruce wants to get the maximum chance of publisher acceptance he should leave out the CIA MK Ultra stuff, at least on the initial submission. The SOG stuff is OK. 377 I have no idea what Tom Kaye is doing. I think Bruce does not understand what-all Cossey said. I think Bruce gets things confused and sometimes hears what he wants to hear .... but he has made some provocative points, as usual. Whatever amount of money was in the beginning at TBar, the portion Ingram pulled out was not just laying on the surface - he had to pull 'the clump' out. The previous high tide had not brought in 2-3" of sand along with the 'clump' of money. Tides on the Columbia don't deposit 2-3" of new sand + debris with each tide (but flood will). All the tide does is wash lapping water over the surface as the tide water is rising on the bar. I dont know why anyone would claim tides bring in a lot of debris and sand, like a flood. All the Fazio's have done is make an association, between the last tidal event, fragments along the tidal line, and the finding of the money by Ingram which is merely coincidental to the last tide. The money was already under the sand prior to the last tide just before discovery, and the tide before that, and so on. The salient fact is: that there were so many fragments to be seen along the last tide line, speaks to a volume of money well in excess of the $5800 in serial numbers identified. The money was in place under sand, prior to the last tide. A reliable date of deposit is c. 1977. Bruce also mentions silver nitrate contamination on the bills from finger printing the FBI did. We already knew about that. Bruce mentions silver grains on the money - he evidently got that from Tom Kaye. But there is nothing unusual about this. All of the soils along the Columbia are ladden with silver grains.

Jo has denied that Duane’s statement about him being Cooper was a “death-bed” confession every since my first contact with her (in 2003). Others have used that terminology (authors, journalist, i-Net posters, etc.) but Jo has never said it. I have documentation to prove that she has attempted to curtail the use of that term. Pasternak's article says it was a 'death bed confession' ?? Jo & Pasternak worked together for that article. Now , if Duane was in the hospital and died during that hospitalisation, and during the same period told Jo he was Cooper (as she describes him doing), is that not a 'death bed confession'? What is Jo's point about saying it was not a death bed confession? Is Jo changing the story and now saying he made no confession as she previously described, or, that it was on a sunny day in the park with Duane fit doing hand stands and not in a bed dying? What is this 'minutia' all about and why so suddenly crucial? Why are we visiting this suddenly so late? Is Jo now saying it was a pre-death confession while in bed but not really in bed - where he died accidentally of some unknown cause and it wasnt several days later ... ? What is this all about? By the way, if Duane Weber was NOT DB Cooper in any event .... whatdoes any of this matter? Why is Jo Weber important at all? Because she could sue somebody and make more calls to the FBI complaining about Larry Carr because she has nothing better to do with her time? WTF is this all about? Why is this woman consuming so much of the world's time? Why do cities mandate yellow sodium lights? Why do rainbows drive Fords? Why do unicorns only run down hill? ? Is Jo Weber a LOST KENNEDY?

Im glad you are taking what I said in stride. I was too critical so read your work a second time and now see where you went wrong. You could cut out the first half and not lose a thing because the whole work is very repetitive. The second half is better than the first half - your second half contains the real meat of everything you are trying to say - the first half is just polemics, so trim it all down by 1/2. Thats my opinion. Yes. The topography at Tbar has changed. Some say as much as 3 foot loss from after the dredge work in '74. But the slope is not the central issue .. If you have something buried and its finally being exposed through top erosion, no matter when it was deposited (71, 74, 77), stuff near the surface from that deposit is going to be washing free with every high tide or rain, snow melt, etc. The fact that anyone saw debris at the last high tide mark (line) simply means there was debris already there for its pieces to be moved around and re-positioned on the surface in accordance with the last water event. If this was a high tide then pieces moved to the high tide line (just as observed). If this was rain then pieces moved around randomly and some washed into the river with runoff. etc. If the high tide line was above where the money was buried, that is where you would expect to find pieces of money (at the high tide line) - which is exactly what the Fazios and others saw. That does not mean it was the tide that brought the money in onto Tina Bar. All the tide did was move pieces around that were already in residence being exposed in the surface sand, from something buried deeper ... A high tide alone cannot explain the forensics of the money find at Tina Bar. The high tide can explain pieces of money found along the high tide line "if" you assume money was already in place and was eroding out ... If Brian had found the money in November 1979 then the last high tide prior to that would have probably shown fragments along that high tide mark. Very likely this money was in place for several years, finally exposed by erosion, fragments being washed around with some lost back into the river. I believe at minimum, Tom will agree with that scenario. If this scenario is true then very likely there was more than $5800 there in the beginning, perhaps a lot more than $5800. It all depends on how long bundles had been being exposed to the surface and were weathering away.The sum total of what Ingram and others found in Feb 1980 was more than $5800, in any event because some bills had not been separated and some fragments had not been examined. The $5800 is based on serial numbers identified in 1980 by the FBI. The auction company has identified at least 15 more serial numbers only recently. The FBI may not have all of their fragments separated yet so there could be more whole or partial serial numbers yet to come there. And, who knows what the insurance company bills and fragments contain. This $5800 dollar figure is a minimum. That is why I always address this issue with the words ... " a minumum of $5800" because that is the literal truth of the matter. Lastly, when you write your final draft be sure to include REFERENCES! Use footnotes throughout your essay and credit the sources of the information you are presenting. Include your phone conversations with various people in your list of references & credits. Just do as you would do in rhetoric 101.100. Cite your sources...

Been there done that. Throw some sand and cinders out on that ice if you can ... black coal cinders will melt ice about as fast as anything nonchemical will ... We couldnt function without chains on the tractor here ... especially if the horses are any distance away and you have to haul hay and water to them ... we finally have had 3 40* days the first since November of last year. Its been a long brutal winter here ...

You say: Al states empathically that shards of money were found along the tide lines only, and not buried deeply in the sand. He cites his position as the backhoe driver the feds hired to do the digging as proof that he knows what they found and what they didn’t. “I should know, I was there, right on top of the digging,” he says. Al Fazio is convinced the money washed in via Columbia River tidal actions, and that the bundles were covered with only a bit of sand, all done by natural wave action. No burials and no dredge. Further, he says the shards were actually part of the original bundle, but that tidal action and drift wood tore-up a few of the surface bills and floated to the tide-line. However, Al also told me that the feds had beat him to the beach and the money discovery because he was at a cattle auction, and when he returned he was denied entry to his property by the feds who had surrounded his property. - see attached -

its too sad to think about -

will read, thanks. Bruce, In the first four short paragraphs alone I find what I count as 7-11 major suppositions and 4 erorrs of fact. I dont know why you insist on coloring everything with your own opinions and continue to alledge facts which you clearly cannot know are facts - just in the first 4 brief paragraphs alone. I will read the rest. Also: put your name in the title of this Doc so people know where and from whom this came? Most authors do that. [edit] I read it all. Its trash. Your tome is an essay from your agenda, not a work of scholarship. Should we hav expected anything else? You are clearly unqualified to be making most of the judgements you make in this Gospel According to Cousin Bruce the Clairvoiyant, who uses Mind Control? Give us a break! On the plus side, your global far reaching essay does address many of the standing 'questions' in the DB Cooper case, which solid research might illuminate. You managed to touch on almost all of these questions, in your search for perfection. What the world needs Bruce is answers, not opinions and allegations - that is the difference between your essay and scholarship. A person reading your essay could use what you have written to make a list of the important questions in this case, and then examine those questions one by one, soberly in the cool light of the day. Good Luck.

Jerry: I don't eat at BK - they can't feed me - and don't understand what Burger with on Bun in a Bowl means - I am serious Celiac Spue - and that mean not ONE grain of Wheat or any other gluten. Sorry about the ribs - remember I had 12 breaks in 2000 right before I went public. 377: I suggest that you buckle your seat belt because there is no concoction in what I am doing and no unambiguous facts. The Mickey Mouse "thing" is very real. Sluggo: Yes I suggest you slowly digest what I am saying here - Did I tell the FBI everything I knew and IF I did - did they even listen OR do they not have the orginal transcripts from the witnesses? You read into this what you will? Your maps really helped, but right now I can't reveal exactly how - but, this will be the first thing to become public within the next few wks. Yes, I have a gag on me right now so ALL I can do is throw out the riddles - or hints - hoping one of you grasps the meaning, but unless you were involved in the crime, or current priviledge Agents of the time or one of the witnesses - you will have NO idea what these riddles mean. Weber was in Goldendale, Washougal, The Dalles and Hood River - want to wager that one? If you do be sure you have DEEP pockets. For pocket money he cleaned a store in one of the areas.

and I want everyone to know he was out looking for a horse, on glare ice, worried about the horse's welfare ... turned out the horse was fine ... and looking for him! It never fails. No good deed ever goes unpunished.

Not a lot. At that speed there isn't a lot of air to push against. Good point Quade. My bad for not considering reduced airflow at low fall rates. Hmmm...maybe these levitators could vector their mysterious force sideways to turn points? Cooper and his rig do seem to have disappeared. When they are found it will likely be in another dimension full of single socks, threaded nuts, tiny screws and other things that I SWEAR have truly disappeared. 377 well not really. Its pretty clear Quade doesnt understand QM either. Under FE/QM extra molecules of air are "created" as a mere function of slowing in violation of CL37 in an 11 dimensional space. The extra (needed) air molecules are created out of the Maldum Fornax. All the "being" has to do is will it. Of course the energy required to do this consumes several stellar systems - all in the moment of 10- quadrilionths of a second. That is nothing. Like the Geico ad says: "It happens to me all the time".

georger must despair even more at the mathematical illiteracy of the masses, when it is all available to them over the internet!!! Not really. I just go to McDonalds. For every $5.99 meal I buy I get $5.99 back when I hand over $6.00. I use Field Effects to!

Not a lot. At that speed there isn't a lot of air to push against. Not even a TINY bit? Remember, we are in the land of Field Effects and the Indiana & So. Dakota Moral Legislature - an exercise in Levitation itself. All being financed by Wells Fargo-Americas Servicing and the Obama Obfuscation who want a solid landing in their favor, and to hell with everything else. The central issue is: who gets to land safely. Field Effects only work in an Inflationary Universe.

Just wish it were more powerful. An adjustable superonducting gyro in the back pack could get you up to jump altitude, let you freefall and slow you down for a landing. I don't like carrying liquid helium, but I dont like paying $22 for a plane ride either. A Cooper question: Has the so called Cooper tie DNA been compared to DNA that the FBI has on file for other people? I hear there is a huge DNA database. Perhaps it isnt complete enough to ID a suspect but can be used to rule out a waanabe. 377 With the near complete collapse of science in American mainstream life is it any wonder the Indiana Legislature voted to have pi = 3.0

You need to look at this. http://www.math.rochester.edu/about/newsletters/spring98/bees.html I know this will keep you up nights. That is why Im giving you this. Knowledge is like acid.

HERE is one of the best investments you can ever make: http://www.amazon.com/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0809058405 http://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos/ http://www.complete-review.com/reviews/maths/paulosja.htm I happen to know John was asked to get involved in the Cooper case. John declined, respectfully. Good luck with your studies -

Strikes home when your mates on the right a left dissappear. There on Monday. Gone on Tuesday.

High praise indeed. We mortals can only aspire to Gortdom. Had a good email chat with Galen Cook. Nothing new, but he is seriously pursuing some leads and has the legal skills needed to open some doors. These things move slowly hence the delay in publishing his book. As before, he thinks he has the right suspect, Gossett, but is still open minded. He is no nut case, far far from it in my opinion. Jo keeps promising to blow the lid off the case. Is it just another tease? Probably, but hope springs eternal. 377 I also have enjoyed discussing a few things with Galen, over at Sluggo's site. Galen has a good handle on the winds situation 11/24/71 - Im impressed with Galen.. Jo who?

Funny & accepted. Master blaster OFF. Parada Flickto. What are we going to do with these humans?

Translation & summary ?

No reason to burn it, just covering it would be enough. If we found the rig and no body it probably wouldn't lead us much closer to who Cooper was. I do think it or at least the metal pieces (if it was burned or rotted) of it are out there somewhere. 377 Well there is that whole conservation of mass thing.. so yes it has to be there somewhere The conservation law that applies is the mass-energy law. E=mc(2). When burned the bulk of the mass is converted to energy and heat, plus a few hydrocarbon ashes . Metal parts would be difficult to detect unless you were right on them. One interesting fact about the chute is that it was one of the most durable items in Cooper's repertoire more durable and conspicuous than either the placard, the money, or Cooper himself. And yet the chute is the one item not found. Cooper showed no concern over hiding evidence on the plane but he did show his ability to adapt and use resources available, so he probably used the chute for something vs. being concerned if it was found after he was gone. If he is dead then his concern ends and the matter is out of his hands. Maybe he opened a military surplus store with it and sold it along with a sign that read: DB Cooper's Parachute, and some buyer has it over his bar? 377 is right. Its somewhere. Either as atoms on the ground and in the air or buried or parted out in nature or maybe soon to show up on eBay. Maybe 377 can retrace it through e.s.p. ?

Huh? what is that based on? Nylon wont burn? I feel there is a giant dissconnect here in this forum which cant be bridged. How did we decide "chances are" he didnt burn the rig? The lottery according to 377's dice? You decide. Issue a monthly newsletter posted somewhere.