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Enjoy the holiday. Maybe watch CNN or news, for news of Airtwardo and his team in St Louis. I really hope they make it! Maybe someone will post a link where we can see some video or stills? That would be nice. If they do I will personally post it to two corporate bulletin boards for thousands to see - world-wide.

Well there's that... But if you read articles of the day, Cossey was not always advocating the position that Cooper didn't make it. He even said that it wouldn't require someone with a lot of experience. As for protecting the image and discrediting the guy who beat the system - that hasn't worked out too well for them. They obviously need to go to plan B.

7. Did Cossey have a memory problem? A cognitive deficit? Or was he just a bad liar – and if so, why was he lying? When we learn the truth of Cossey and his memory, and by extension the cause of his murder, we may be a lot closer to understanding what happened to the FBI’s investigation of DB Cooper. To me, it is becoming increasingly more plausible that Cossey was part of creating a new image of DB Cooper – one of an incompetent skydiver who died. That action relieves a very real political pressure to lessen the public’s love of Cooper as the guy who beat the system.Quote You always wind up bottom feeding and shoot for the political; prematurely. At best what you have are contradicting incongruous stories on the part of multiple individuals, which does not automatically lead to a conspiracy theory. For example Haydon: has said multiple times the chutes were 'exactly alike', then above says 'but one was a military version' (of the other)? That is not alike! Haydon's is just one example. To complicate things further, your personal bias against Himmelsbach comes through loud and clear - he won't talk to you! H is alleged (by you) to have allegedly pushed for Cooper having died without any firm evidence of the fact. Now you are enlisting Cossey as a co-conspirator into H's "conspiracy". What we are left with is confusion. And no good source(s) to help straighten the confusions out, including the reporter's bias on top of the other confusions ... It's not a good model for writing history.

I made that Arch jump a few years ago...and DIDN'T have a camera on me ~ NOT making that mistake again!! I have forward & rear facing video - and 'top mounted' forward stills. I've been working on rigging a GoPro at the bottom of the flag facing up & back - if that works out it should make for an interesting perspective through the arch. As far as Groupies...those dayz a long gone ~ 'Capt. Mom' & I have 25 years together in the books. We're up to 5 grandkids now!! ~6 weeks ago, youngest son turns 21- me on the left... https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/p480x480/560060_485372591522140_1169792703_n.jpg Do you think DB Cooper was a hero ? Had training ~ did not have training ? Hero? ~ No ~ He was a dirtbag criminal, he's somewhat idolized because things went as they did. Had one of a hundred possible things gone sideways and any innocent people would have been hurt or killed, he be remembered as the terrorist he was & not the folk hero he's made out to be. Training? ~ Rudimentary at best ~ Some of the known facts lean in that direction obviously, but I honestly think if he were an enthusiast with current to then experience, he would have done a lot of things differently & probably been more 'prepared' regarding what to do with the payload. In my opinion DBC did his homework but had very little if any actual time in the saddle. I'm really shocked by your answer! So still mulling it over.... I really didn't expect an answer like that, from you. Live & learn I guess.

First...YOU are the one who is always quoting Geoff Gray, and has been speaking for him. Correct? But I will take your question seriously. Butts ended up in Las Vegas after 305 landed. Never were in Seattle. Sent to Quantico for analysis. Analysis completed. Returned to Las Vegas for storage. Either they are there now, and haven't been located, or were lost/disposed of because no one considered they would be good for anything else beyond the initial analysis, i.e. DNA profiling was still about 15 years into the future. That's all I know. Quote There were other reasons for swabbing other than dna, as a standard protocol in 1971.

I made that Arch jump a few years ago...and DIDN'T have a camera on me ~ NOT making that mistake again!! I have forward & rear facing video - and 'top mounted' forward stills. I've been working on rigging a GoPro at the bottom of the flag facing up & back - if that works out it should make for an interesting perspective through the arch. As far as Groupies...those dayz a long gone ~ 'Capt. Mom' & I have 25 years together in the books. We're up to 5 grandkids now!! ~6 weeks ago, youngest son turns 21- me on the left... https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/p480x480/560060_485372591522140_1169792703_n.jpg Do you think DB Cooper was a hero ? Had training ~ did not have training ? Hero? ~ No ~ He was a dirtbag criminal, he's somewhat idolized because things went as they did. Had one of a hundred possible things gone sideways and any innocent people would have been hurt or killed, he be remembered as the terrorist he was & not the folk hero he's made out to be. Training? ~ Rudimentary at best ~ Some of the known facts lean in that direction obviously, but I honestly think if he were an enthusiast with current to then experience, he would have done a lot of things differently & probably been more 'prepared' regarding what to do with the payload. In my opinion DBC did his homework but had very little if any actual time in the saddle. Im kind of shocked by your reply, but appreciate it. We are close to being on the same page - pending any new info. Good luck with your jump at St Louis, and for Christ's sake BE CAREFUL! Your team likewise. ... don't land on the top of that damned thing and fall/slide/be pulled off like the other happened to the one. I read some of your posts on Base jumping and St Louis. Good luck.

I made that Arch jump a few years ago...and DIDN'T have a camera on me ~ NOT making that mistake again!! I have forward & rear facing video - and 'top mounted' forward stills. I've been working on rigging a GoPro at the bottom of the flag facing up & back - if that works out it should make for an interesting perspective through the arch. As far as Groupies...those dayz a long gone ~ 'Capt. Mom' & I have 25 years together in the books. We're up to 5 grandkids now!! ~6 weeks ago, youngest son turns 21- me on the left... https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/p480x480/560060_485372591522140_1169792703_n.jpg Do you think DB Cooper was a hero ? Had training ~ did not have training ?

Just because the FBI says the butts are lost doesn't mean they are. I have no inside info, just sayin. Loss of the butts makes a successful prosecution. VERY VERY unlikely. The govt had possibly exculpatory evidence and failed to preserve it. Motion to dismiss material for sure. It's a moot point if the find other highly probative evidence such as a big stash of Cooper twenties. But if its a highly circumstantial case then loss of those butts doom it. I wouldn't be surprised if those butts are still in govt possession. Maybe they ought to look in that big warehouse where they put the Lost Ark of the Covenent. 377 Well at this point what I want to hear is everyone's version of: what happened to the butts. Jo Weber Robert Blevins standin for Geoff Gray which I assume will be: RobertMBlevins anyone else who has a story . . . make it simple and concise.

I see. You're not only his publicist now, but his bookkeeper as well. Thank you Mister Ed.

You'll NEVER get it. Your constant RMB bickering is driving people to us like crazy. LOL I should put you on the payroll. You road Geoff Gray's coattails too, according to Geoff. It's 'rode' Geoff Gray's coattails. And you are quoting him again without a source. Are you like his publicist or something? I think not. My kudos to him for his initial work on Christiansen. He's a really nice guy who doesn't deserve having you shove words into his mouth all the time. Well the "source" of course is a horse of course. It's me and Mr. Gray, of course. Unless it's a horse of course, named Mister Gray. Geoff's profits are way up thanks to you! It's the Credibility Differential.

You'll NEVER get it. Your constant RMB bickering is driving people to us like crazy. LOL I should put you on the payroll. You road Geoff Gray's coattails too, according to Geoff.

Continuing with this crap, rather than discussing Cooper, just makes you look worse...and increases our sales dramatically at Amazon. You haven't a clue. Maybe we should go back to Cooper? I'm going to ask you again. Do you want to see the spreadsheet for proof of this? Last offer.Quote Excuse me! ?? It was YOU who brought up Agnew! Now you are bringing up your "spreadsheet" at Amazon" ? Maybe Airtwardo wants to see your spreadsheet, last offer? I think Jo is waiting for your water to stop so she can have the dry stage?

Not bait. The truth (lately) on both you and Meyer. And Agnew never went to jail. Truth and you dont travel the same road, Sham Wow. The story of Spiro Agnew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew As a result of his no-contest plea, the State of Maryland later disbarred Agnew, calling him "morally obtuse".[29] As in most jurisdictions, Maryland lawyers are automatically disbarred after being convicted of a felony, and a no contest plea exposes the defendant to the same penalties as a guilty plea. (Agnew was pardoned and served o time) ? And you Blevins are as BIG a bore as Agnew was!

Don't post up Cooper stuff for MY benefit. Post up your numbers because you want to explore points on the case with everyone. That's kind of the idea around here I heard. All I've seen from both you and Georger since I posted up my suggestion back there...well, let's just say the two of you go on like Gretchen and Vicki. Or in the words of Spiro T. Agnew: ***'Nattering nabobs of negativity...' well Maybell, you know what happened to Spiro - went to the poky? Have you ever been in the pohky ? Keep casting out that bait - - -

Ditto dumstuntzz. This has been "our" problem all along. We never know what is fact and what is myth or mis-interpretation by the media. Maybe, being "on top of it" this time, we can ultimately get the truth out of the noise. Sluggo_Monster That's a somewhat common media 'mistake' referring to a round canopy as conical in shape. Just a case of 'them' not understanding the word has a different more accurate meaning within the industry than it may to the general public. Obviously a concern when actual accurate facts are needed and not just general storyline descriptions. It happens SO often that in some of the other threads on this site news articles are picked apart and ridiculed for the wording...which to 'us' tells an entirely different story than is intended or is factual. I usually do a dozen or so interviews annually for radio, local to an event television & newspapers ~ I often find myself 'correcting' misused terms and inaccurate understanding of what I'm being interviewed about. Just part of the game I guess. _______________________________________________ And with your level of expertise and intelligence and command of the English language, I'll bet you do very well. Is it possible to catch one of your radio interviews someday? MeyerLouie Quote We saw him on DECODED; he muttered mm mmmm mm mmmm uhh mm mmmmm ... I can arrange for him to be interviewed tomorrow! Are ya up for it Blevins? Lets get him and Airtwardo on a conference call together - interviewed together! How about Blevins + Amazon + Airtwardo? Now that would be a combo. They all hate "smartass college boys". We could interview them on "social educational trends in "Advanced Cooper Studies" ? Rush Limbau too? Now: interviewing Amazon + Airtwardo on the Cooper case - THAT MAKES SENSE! Everyone would tune in to that and that makes sense, but again I doubt they would do it.

How come beans grow UP^^^^^ ? Did you ever think of that? Actually some of the money is on eBay right now, so some is in circulation! Tell us how the money feels? You have the Palmer Report.

Your Key word: indirectly. I guess that makes it a .00001% fact! Pay your loans on time. I'm counting on that... indirectly! Would hate to see you and AB auctioned off in a fire sale ...

Jo: This is all I know about this, and it isn't much. Agent Fred Gutt told me on the phone that the DNA sample can eliminate someone, but can't confirm them 100% as the hijacker. Georger may know why Gutt said this. I heard the butts were lost while being sent from one location to another, supposedly. I guess it doesn't matter much HOW they were lost, since they are now definitely gone. Too bad. It was their best DNA source. ______________________________________________ It was their one, best source of DNA, and they lose it. The best evidence that could have helped find our guy -- gets lost. How frickin' unbelievable is that!! I'm not saying a DNA profile would have gotten our guy, but all of the usual suspects, like KC and Weber, could have been checked out and ruled out. Then there'd be no Blevins or Jo. As thorough and complete as the FBI usually can be in their investigations, it just doesn't add up that they lost the butts. How likely is that? In my mind, very very very unlikely, as in probability is close to zero. I say something is rotten in Denmark. Maybe KC took 'em. Maybe Duane took 'em. Maybe the FBI purposely took 'em because they conspired with the government to force the airline industry's hand in doing something about airline safety. Tthat theory isn't any more far-fetched than the KC fairy tale. Blevins actually looks down his nose at you, BK. Can you actually believe that?!. MeyerLouie all of this bs over the butts assumes they were in one group as a lot to be lost, in the first place! hmmmmmm .... another Jo Weber Theory gone bust!

That is a load of BS, and you know it. I have stated on numerous occasions I thought you were an educated guy. I have never called anyone here stupid, not even when they tossed insults my way. I don't like using that word on people. To me, it's almost a curse word. I understand that some folks might not agree with that post I made today relating bashing, and constantly using ME as the subject of the thread, to increased sales at AB. But it is 100% the truth. Another truth is that you and Meyer spend most of your time talking about RMB, rather than DB Cooper. Don't you realize all you really accomplish is to drive internet traffic my way? You've accused me of being here to 'promote a book'. Hell, I don't need to do that with you and Meyer around. _______________________________________________ First of all, the statement above made by Georger is absolutely true. You prove with every post you make, this one being no exception. Another thing, you should be permanently banned from the forum for publicly stating that this forum is making you money. That goes against everything that this forum is about. If AB sales are going up, you shouldn't be saying it's because of you being here. This is such a violation of protocol, and you should be banned permanently. I've said all along that the primary reason you are here is to peddle your wares. That's it. You lack the intelligence to do much of anything else. You prove that every day. I hope Quade looks at what you have done here. It's a new low, Blevins. MeyerLouie Well Meyer, I wouldnt get too upped about it! We all know Blevins is only baiting ... has nothing to do with this thread. Maybe Blevins has oil wells with Airtwardo? JT has gold! Jo has her Duane property! I could go on and on and on but everyone here has assets of some kind - if Blevins advertises his "accumulating wealth" visi-a-vis me or you or whatever in this thread ... then I have some bottom land that floods every year I can sell you cheap, plus some sick cats someone threw out of a passing car last week. As Farflung might surmise: everyone here has a manure spreader.. The current excuse for personal angst seems to be: "smartass college boys". Blevins just talks to himself a lot then writes it out here. Jo likewise. What you could actually do is help with the g-force data implicit in the Cooper bailout! Because Airtwardo is hopeless and never going to provide it even if he has it. He seems to be waiting on others (me?) to provide it, as proof of something? Maybe we should help him out, and the thread likewise? Then we can move to other fascinating matters totally beyond Blevins' imagination. Shutter would applaud that. What do you think? (you can read the rest between the lines. My experience is people get really upset and go totally nuts around here when you start throwing numbers at them! It's like throwing ddt on lice! We could torture them with stats!)

~Don't know why YOU presume to assume you could assign any kind of a task to ME... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfAT9j8Aft4 You would need to get a lot higher up on the roster than one of your status could ever hope to attain...and that's coming from a guy who lets the dogs out when they ask me. It would be similar to me constantly asking if adjusting the meds is having any effect with the self esteem issues. ...just not something I'd do - "I don't you like that!" special treat just for you, darling: http://gizmodo.com/the-most-awesome-f-35-video-ive-ever-seen-508892506 and I see there are some special messages just for you over at Blevin's CNN site: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/01/secret-life-of-a-d-b-cooper-hijacking-witness-includes-disappearing-to-a-nunnery/ We still need that critical g-force Data! We're counting on you!

Ditto dumstuntzz. This has been "our" problem all along. We never know what is fact and what is myth or mis-interpretation by the media. Maybe, being "on top of it" this time, we can ultimately get the truth out of the noise. Sluggo_Monster That's a somewhat common media 'mistake' referring to a round canopy as conical in shape. Just a case of 'them' not understanding the word has a different more accurate meaning within the industry than it may to the general public. Obviously a concern when actual accurate facts are needed and not just general storyline descriptions. It happens SO often that in some of the other threads on this site news articles are picked apart and ridiculed for the wording...which to 'us' tells an entirely different story than is intended or is factual. I usually do a dozen or so interviews annually for radio, local to an event television & newspapers ~ I often find myself 'correcting' misused terms and inaccurate understanding of what I'm being interviewed about. Just part of the game I guess.Quote Is there an Quartz or Titanium Emulator that will run old silk conical rounds on a Nylon Maximum Ephemeris, in the Maldum Fornax? Got those chutes forces yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQR45NAkq0w http://www.combatreform.org/escape.htm clownass +g-force college boy data can be found at: http://www.skydivewanaka.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/high-altitude-jumps-1.pdf

Quote You think people are as stupid as you are.

Well...I'd submit that since Amazon use to make a living teaching pseudo intellectual college boys the somewhat useful art of Staying Alive when they get a faceful of real world - She indeed has the attitude & experience to properly prioritize pertinent and useful information as well as maintain focus on the stated agenda. I'd vote yes! As to your 2nd comment I quoted ~ Gotta love a self-aware man! Quote Well I don't know about your "pseudo intellectual college boys" but I do sense some "pseudo intellectual diver boys and socalled book writers and candidate pushers" pushing around phony ideas here! Seems to me a lot of Gulf War vets are now taking courses from former Vietnam and Korea "pseudo intellectual college boys" who got their spurs from "pseudo intellectual college boys" who followed Paton from France to Berlin or flew to the Pacific to do it again. Since EDUCATION is key to everything! What and who exactly do you think designed your parachutes!? All as a general principle and fact of the terrain on which most of us find ourselves currently deployed - reading your aphorisms and half witted bullshit. Maybe turn back your attention to those bailout forces on the night of 11-24-71 and the magical recoil of those stairs which ass-backwards Cooper managed to escape, without pieces being dragged along and dropped all the way to Reno . . . Maybe "pseudo intellectual college boys" is just a stance and an excuse being used, by you? I always wonder about people who have a better idea about what work is, or isn't, than others do. And ya did all that without a net! Good for you! Quote s i c k

Well...I'd submit that since Amazon use to make a living teaching pseudo intellectual college boys the somewhat useful art of Staying Alive when they get a faceful of real world - She indeed has the attitude & experience to properly prioritize pertinent and useful information as well as maintain focus on the stated agenda. I'd vote yes! As to your 2nd comment I quoted ~ Gotta love a self-aware man! Quote Well I don't know about your "pseudo intellectual college boys" but I do sense some "pseudo intellectual diver boys and socalled book writers and candidate pushers" pushing around phony ideas here! Seems to me a lot of Gulf War vets are now taking courses from former Vietnam and Korea "pseudo intellectual college boys" who got their spurs from "pseudo intellectual college boys" who followed Paton from France to Berlin or flew to the Pacific to do it again. Since EDUCATION is key to everything! What and who exactly do you think designed your parachutes!? All as a general principle and fact of the terrain on which most of us find ourselves currently deployed - reading your aphorisms and half witted bullshit. Maybe turn back your attention to those bailout forces on the night of 11-24-71 and the magical recoil of those stairs which ass-backwards Cooper managed to escape, without pieces being dragged along and dropped all the way to Reno . . . Maybe "pseudo intellectual college boys" is just a stance and an excuse being used, by you? I always wonder about people who have a better idea about what work is, or isn't, than others do.