Gravitymaster

Nope, the original post was about hating women and gays. Do try and keep up, would you?

Many whuffos who have never stepped foot on a DZ, feel perfectly justified in discussing the dangers of skydiving.

No it won't. But think of the naive teenager who bows to peer pressure and takes that first hit off a crack pipe at a party. Have you ever been to an N.A. meeting? If not, you should.

I will once you prove the author is making money.

I wasn't aware gun ownership was physically and mentally addicting. I also must have missed where gun ownership was illegal. Let us know after you attend an N.A. meeting. I know it will be uncomfortable for you at first, having to sit next to "those people" and listen to your ideology crumble as they speak of their experiences. But keep in mind as you sit through the meeting that they were once the same nice, friendly people you went to school with. Until they took that first toke off the crack pipe.

+1 Now that the latest polls show the Presidential race tightening, be prepared for more shit slinging.

Nowhere did I make any statement about the addictive properties of crack cocaine. You really think our current war on drugs is working? So now you want to change the subject? I simply said I did not want Crack Cocaine to be legal. Don't try and turn this into a discussion on whether drugs should be legalized. I have never met anyone in the medical or mental health field who thought legalizing crack was a good idea.

I just wanted to copy this, so you can't come back and edit some of this. Priceless. Great then copy this: "I Skydekker, love to make wild accusations with absolutely no facts to back them up. I prefer to rely on anecdotal information when slandering someone I disagree with. It's up to anyone who disagrees with my unsubstanciated accusation to prove I am wrong".

So you think the solution is to destroy society by legalizing Crack? How about heroin? Surely you won't mind stepping over all the nodded out junkies and empty syringes on your daily route? Yeah, clearly we should just keep doing what we are doing, you know, since it prevents all those people from taking drugs. Have you ever been to an N.A. meeting? Get back to us after you do. Yes, I have. I appreciate that Ron posts with his clinical background, even if I sometimes disagree with him. I appreciate that you may have some background as well. I work, as Ron did, in a public mental health setting. Substance abuse is not my primary area of service but I am hardly ignorant of the realities of drug use in our society. I have also had much personal contact, including helping people get treatment and being part of a couple of interventions. All of that happened in spite of our current drug laws, which you seem to think work. My experience was helping a good friend who became addicted to alchohol and crack. I attended several dozen A.A. and N.A. meetings. Sadly, my friend could not shake his addiction and died of an overdose. I also remember sitting in those meetings and hearing that someone else who had been there just a few days before had succumbed to substance abuse again. Crack is nothing like alchohol, heroin or even powder cocaine. It is incredibly addicting and it often causes a person to become addicted with just one usage. I am very happy I do not have to live in a world full of crackheads and junkies. If you think the war on drugs is expensive, wait until you see the devestation legalizing crack would cause. Of course, then the liberals would tell us we need to provide housing, food and free medical treatment for these "poor souls" who became addicted by using a legal substance. So, now we have two people with direct experience w/ substance abuse affecting people they care about and who have been to multiple N.A. meetings (and I've experienced/witnessed quite a few other treatment modalities as well) coming to opposite conclusions about the effect of the current war on drugs. So what does any of that prove? Just proves to me that personal experience is not dispositive in guiding political philosophy on this issue. If you are denying that crack cocaine is the most addicting substance ever wrought on humanity, then I would have serious concerns about your perspective on other issues as well.

You obviously are having trouble distinguishing the differences between alchohol and a highly addictive substance like crack cocaine. You really should go to an N.A. meeting sometime and talk to people whose lives were devestated after they became addicted from just one toke on a crack pipe. But I'm sure you would not want to associate yourself with "those people". How did legalization of Opium work out for China? How well is our current War on Drugs working? So you think the solution is to destroy society by legalizing Crack? How about heroin? Surely you won't mind stepping over all the nodded out junkies and empty syringes on your daily route? So you would argue that outlawing guns would prevent gun crime. Curious. So you have never been to an N.A. meeting, either? Get back to us after you do. Until then, you haven't a clue what you are talking about. Why would I go to an NA meeting? I haven't been to an NRA meeting either. Or an AA meeting, or a Weight Watcher's meeting. Prohibition has a long history of failure. I think you are a classic busibody, knowing what's best for everyone else. Perhaps going to an N.A. meeting would show you how little you know about drug addition. especially crack. But I understand why an elitist professor would want to avoid coming in direct contact with "those people".

Get back to us after attending those N.A. meetings. Then you will at least understand what you are saying. Although, I'm pretty sure you won't go.

So you think the solution is to destroy society by legalizing Crack? How about heroin? Surely you won't mind stepping over all the nodded out junkies and empty syringes on your daily route? Yeah, clearly we should just keep doing what we are doing, you know, since it prevents all those people from taking drugs. Have you ever been to an N.A. meeting? Get back to us after you do. Yes, I have. I appreciate that Ron posts with his clinical background, even if I sometimes disagree with him. I appreciate that you may have some background as well. I work, as Ron did, in a public mental health setting. Substance abuse is not my primary area of service but I am hardly ignorant of the realities of drug use in our society. I have also had much personal contact, including helping people get treatment and being part of a couple of interventions. All of that happened in spite of our current drug laws, which you seem to think work. My experience was helping a good friend who became addicted to alchohol and crack. I attended several dozen A.A. and N.A. meetings. Sadly, my friend could not shake his addiction and died of an overdose. I also remember sitting in those meetings and hearing that someone else who had been there just a few days before had succumbed to substance abuse again. Crack is nothing like alchohol, heroin or even powder cocaine. It is incredibly addicting and it often causes a person to become addicted with just one usage. I am very happy I do not have to live in a world full of crackheads and junkies. If you think the war on drugs is expensive, wait until you see the devestation legalizing crack would cause. Of course, then the liberals would tell us we need to provide housing, food and free medical treatment for these "poor souls" who became addicted by using a legal substance.

You obviously are having trouble distinguishing the differences between alchohol and a highly addictive substance like crack cocaine. You really should go to an N.A. meeting sometime and talk to people whose lives were devestated after they became addicted from just one toke on a crack pipe. But I'm sure you would not want to associate yourself with "those people". How did legalization of Opium work out for China? How well is our current War on Drugs working? So you think the solution is to destroy society by legalizing Crack? How about heroin? Surely you won't mind stepping over all the nodded out junkies and empty syringes on your daily route? So you would argue that outlawing guns would prevent gun crime. Curious. So you have never been to an N.A. meeting, either? Get back to us after you do. Until then, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

How do you square this with personal responsibility? How do you square this with not blaming an object but blaming the person? So, you have never been to an N.A. meeting either?

So, can we take that as an acknowledgment that you have never been to an N.A. meeting? If watching someone shoot up once is your total experience, then I would say you have a lot to learn.

So you think the solution is to destroy society by legalizing Crack? How about heroin? Surely you won't mind stepping over all the nodded out junkies and empty syringes on your daily route? Yeah, clearly we should just keep doing what we are doing, you know, since it prevents all those people from taking drugs. Have you ever been to an N.A. meeting? Get back to us after you do.

LMAO. Yes, it is clearly a wild accusation that an author of a book is going to make money from it. Yes it is considering you have no facts to back up your statement.

I think some on here, who we know would never lower themselves to attend an N.A. meeting, and be around "those people",would benefit from your unique perspective, Ron.

Your response is pretty weird. Have you ever been to an N.A. meeting? Do you have any idea how addictive crack cocaine is? If not, then you haven't any idea what you are talking about. That's pretty typical of those who support legalization of crack, so don't feel you are alone. Let us know your thoughts AFTER attending that N.A. meeting, OK?

Apparently a victim of a continuing bad economy as it is being reported he was fired or laid off his job yesterday.

You obviously are having trouble distinguishing the differences between alchohol and a highly addictive substance like crack cocaine. You really should go to an N.A. meeting sometime and talk to people whose lives were devestated after they became addicted from just one toke on a crack pipe. But I'm sure you would not want to associate yourself with "those people". How did legalization of Opium work out for China? How well is our current War on Drugs working? So you think the solution is to destroy society by legalizing Crack? How about heroin? Surely you won't mind stepping over all the nodded out junkies and empty syringes on your daily route?

I'd just like people like you to accept that it's none of your damn business what a woman does with her own body. There are lots of things that are illegal for a person to do with their own body. . Indeed, and it's just more busibodying. DO YOU SUPPORT LEGALIZATION OF CRACK COCAINE? Might as well answer because I'm going to keep asking until you do. I oppose all forms of busibodying, by left or right. Most of the busibodying in the USA is by the right, of course. So we will take that as a yes. I contend your positions make those of Akins look moderate. I cannot believe someone as educated as you cannot see what a society would be like if a highly addictive substance like crack coacaine was legal. Typical attitude of a busibody who thinks they know what's best for everyone else. How well did Prohibition work? You obviously are having trouble distinguishing the differences between alchohol and a highly addictive substance like crack cocaine. You really should go to an N.A. meeting sometime and talk to people whose lives were devestated after they became addicted from just one toke on a crack pipe. But I'm sure you would not want to associate yourself with "those people". How did legalization of Opium work out for China?

That doesn't surprise me. I find often that those who complain about the extreme positions of others often hold extreme positions themselves.

I'd just like people like you to accept that it's none of your damn business what a woman does with her own body. There are lots of things that are illegal for a person to do with their own body. . Indeed, and it's just more busibodying. DO YOU SUPPORT LEGALIZATION OF CRACK COCAINE? Might as well answer because I'm going to keep asking until you do. I oppose all forms of busibodying, by left or right. Most of the busibodying in the USA is by the right, of course. So we will take that as a yes. I contend your positions make those of Akins look moderate. I cannot believe someone as educated as you cannot see what a society would be like if a highly addictive substance like crack coacaine was legal.

I'd just like people like you to accept that it's none of your damn business what a woman does with her own body. There are lots of things that are illegal for a person to do with their own body. . Indeed, and it's just more busibodying. DO YOU SUPPORT LEGALIZATION OF CRACK COCAINE? Might as well answer because I'm going to keep asking until you do.