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He got $2000 not to talk, and he's already blabbing to reporters too much. http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2009-10-23-1742740355_x.htm Ckret was right. You can't keep a conspiracy tight for long. from the above: MINNEAPOLIS — The first officer of the Northwest Airlines jet that missed its destination by 150 miles says there was no fight in the cockpit, neither he nor the captain had fallen asleep, and passengers were never in any danger. But in an interview with The Associated Press two days after he and a colleague blew past their destination as air traffic controlled tried frantically to reach them, pilot Richard Cole would not say just what it was that led to them to forget to land Flight 188. "It was not a serious event, from a safety issue," Cole said in an interview in front of his Salem, Ore., home. "I would tell you more, but I've already told you way too much."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/bae-attack-america-to-ask-sfo-for-files-1797231.html "There is also speculation the SFO might agree a civil settlement in return for a "scalp" – evidence that some executives were complicit in bribery. One observer said: "The idea that BAE might throw someone to the dogs in return for a civil agreement is intriguing." Is that a threat? Are they going to throw SI to the dogs here? I think the US has to invade Britain. I mean, BAE systems is bribing Saudi Arabia and South Africa for these many-billion-dollar contracts. How can small business like Snowmman Industries compete with that? In the name of Zazi, I hope the FBI gets to the bottom of this. Of course, any lying in the midst of a terrorism investigation will result in an immediate rendition flight. Making a list and checking it twice: 1) South Africa invasion (delayed till after World Cup) 2) UK invasion (they do have good beer, after all)

waiting for the signal to deploy Skynet. I tried to tell them the drones could have shot down the passenger jet, at lower cost and less risk. Think of how they argued against flying close to Cooper's jet. Hell, I said, it's a drone..we'll fly it anywhere, anytime. Plus if you're going to shoot down the passenger jet, who the hell cares if you crash into it..Drones are cheap guided missiles. (I didn't tell the jumper I paid $750 to, that I actually also had a subcontract for Skynet, and was trying to stimulate it's activation. We get a $1M bonus for every shootdown a drone gets) Hell, who's the jumper going to complain to about a contract violation, if he's shot down? We got the front end, the backend, and the media distribution rights. Except in South Africa. Nobody gets that market!

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/16s-prepared-shoot-wayward-plane/story?id=8900171 I believe the intent is that US citizens are supposed to feel safer, knowing that we're prepared to shoot down passenger jets whenever they have an unexplained problem. Sure, the reaction to Ballon Boy emergency is: "rescue". Reaction to passenger jet emergency: "shoot down". I need to write the 2009 Nader book "Unsafe At Any Speed". Except I'll be talking about planes.

Not amazing at all. $30M is nothing to people who believe. See that's the thing: all this FBI stuff of wannabe-terrorists is silly because it makes us US-web-readers think the US is on top of all this, and understands etc, and that the terrorists are all incompetent, like the ones the FBI talks up when they arrest (recently). I just saw a reference to Zazi, when the web article was talking about how easy it is to get Ammonium Nitrate for ANFO bombs, still. (they didn't mention how many millions of tons are produced for farming every year)...and they took pains to point to Zazi as an example of the issue. But last I heard, Zazi didn't have any ammonium nitrate. So what's the point? The point is: us US are the stupid ones, I think. you could have $100Million bounty on your head and it wouldn't matter. What is anyone close to Bin Laden going to do with $100 Million? well, probably finance more jihad I guess. No one would trust the US to pay it anyhow. Why would you trust an infidel to pay you? It comes down to whether the strategy of "we kill all our enemies" is workable (or sustainable). You can do an estimate of the annual cost of what it takes to kill all your enemies. I think it makes more sense to make airplanes illegal. They're unsafe technology. The problem is: we have to accept the risk. There will always be people with a grudge. At any point in time, there are new, uncontrolled technologies the grudge-holders can master and use against others. It never goes away, always changing. You need to put the cost of protecting society against the power of these uncontrolled technologies, onto the people who profit from the technologies. Not everyone in a nation. If the technology is unsafe, make it illegal. It's easier to monitor technology, than it is to "catch" people.

he got $750. I told him he was getting $50 over normal because it was last minute. He said he had a grudge. I said "Who doesn't?" He asked "What if I leave fingerprints?" I said "You mean you think they will catch you? Just don't talk no jihadi smack. They'll lock you up for reading those books" I was actually reading one of these jihadi blogs last night, since I hadn't really seen how these guys talk. It's interesting. it's not much different than some fundamentalist religion folks. (I guess that's what it is). The problem is they have this historical legacy of war, and that's what sucks all the young guys in...it gives them a mission, and heck, everyone loves a mission in life. But they drone on and on with all these phrases and references to people from long ago. It's amazing they keep all the references correct.

Snowmman Industries was contracted to hijack a Northwest Airlines jet, near an airport like PDX, as part of a test of the Flight 305 event. Rather than 377's test dummy, we did a real hijack plus jump. News here. It sounds like the FBI has, once again, tried to cover things up though. They're saying the 150 miles during which SI pwned the plane, was "something else". http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/10/22/airliner.fly.by/index.html The hijacker wore a t-shirt that said "Duane Lives!" on the front, and "40mm on sale now!" on the back. We picked Minneapolis in honor of georger's musings about Soderlind and the central hub of NW operations back in 1971.

they say he contacted gangs to get assault weapons (what is he, dumb? just go to a gun show)..but they gave up their plans when they found they could only get handguns. I do agree that anyone who wants to be a terrorist, can be more likely to be successful by just arming up at a couple gun shows, and then going and spraying. The thing that keeps us safe, is mostly that people don't want to do that. We're lucky that's true. I think people forget how much real violent crime with guns and bombs gets done every year in the US. It's like it's worse if you bullshit about it, now. I agree that it's very good to stop violent crimes. I'm just not seeing the connection. Maybe we need to invade some place in the US? (edit) Like where I live. Like I said before, I was surprised to discover I live in an area with more liberal open-carry laws than Texas. Did anyone see that news blip where a guy found a used US rocket launcher recently on his property? Pretty funny: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6668884.html

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/21/terrorism.probe/index.html I thought Zazi was the leader of the Al-Qaeda teams and everyone was his disciple. Now there's this Mehanna guy. Strange set of accusations. No "stuff". No guns or bombs or anything. But they say "the conspiracy" lasted 7 years..from 2001 till 2008. He was arrested a year ago after being accused of lying to FBI agents in a terror investigation. (this seems to be the favorite charge. Reminder to self: Never say anything to an FBI agent. There is no benefit to anyone). Apparently Mehanna watched jihadi videos and encouraged others to watch them. He travelled in the mideast and tried to join training camps. Evidently failed? But it ends with the same thing: they go thru a long list of claims about this guy, but end with "No worries, there's no cell". "I think we're satisfied that we know every member of this group," the attorney said. "We do not believe that there are any terrorist cells in this area." I thought this was funny: "hoped to kill one or two members of the executive branch of the U.S. government" it's like he couldn't decide what he'd like? Now that's a conspiracy. Sounds like the classic redneck sitting around bullshitting. Except he didn't have any weapons! Not a redneck! (edit) the classic neighbor reaction piece: http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/10/sudbury_neighbo.html "McManus, who spoke with Mehanna’s father after his son was arrested last year on lesser federal charges, said the new, more serious charges against Mehanna have shocked him. “I can’t believe there’s a terrorist living across the street,’’ he said. “You wouldn’t have thought it."

I thought it was interesting the FAA said they don't have any radar of the 50 mile flight. They are relying on pilot testimony to recreate the flight path. Surprising, since mylar is used for radar dummy stuff.. They were close to an airport. I wonder why they didnt' see it. Hey: maybe the balloon really is a good Al Qaeda drone.....

georger posted: now georger is talking my language. The insane little details matter. When I was a kid, I remember being enthralled with the idea of ordering one of those submarines from the back of the comic books. There was a big lake by my house, that would be perfect. Took me a while to realize they were cardboard. The web has everything: the original ads here: (Polaris submarines...I don't remember the rocket ships. oh wow...besides the ads, this page has a picture of an actual kid in an actual Polaris Sub..from 1967. I never saw one before. $6.98. Over 7 feet long! 10 day Free Trial! http://www.irememberjfk.com/mt/2008/01/giant_rockets_and_subs_in_comi.php Did anyone ever know someone who actually ordered the Polaris Nuclear Sub?

huh? I typed a comeback but didn't post it. I just thought of a better one though: "Jerry Thomas. Didn't like that Jo Weber thought her husband was DB Cooper"

This summer my daughter went out for surfing lessons, and naturally had to give me all the detail about how the surfing instructor (guy) thought she was so good and waited for her after the wave, etc. Oh brother. Yeah, do you let your daughter go jumping or surfing. These are the questions. :) (maybe hitting the ground is the least of the concerns :)

re: solid citizen You know how they always interview the neighbors after they dig up the bones at the serial murderer's house. "He always seemed like such a nice man". And when they interview the neighbors, there's the caption underneath "Neighbor of accused serial murderer". I have this nightmare of waking up to TV Cameras at the door, and a mike shoved in my face "So, what was your connection to Jo Weber?" "uuh" (naturally I have no shirt on) "She seemed like such a nice woman" That evening on the news. That clip, with the caption "Posted on web forum with wife of DB Cooper".

well, it's depressing, but I was just thinking of that. "Jo Weber. She thought her husband was DB Cooper"

I was reading some interesting papers summarizing the wide variety of bombings that happen in the US. (remember my comments about Zazi) Also there were a bunch of 17 year olds that have recently blown off their hands and such..so it got me wondering about the numbers (and who gets called "terrorist"). Here's a study that summarizes some quick stats. This is reporting over twenty years. The Journal of Trauma: Injury, Infection, and Critical Care: December 2005 - Volume 59 - Issue 6 - pp 1436-1444 http://journals.lww.com/jtrauma/Abstract/2005/12000/The_United_States_Twenty_Year_Experience_With.22.aspx "Background: Terrorist bombings remain a significant threat in the United States. However, minimal longitudinal data exists regarding the medical and public health impact because of bombings. Methods: We conducted a retrospective analysis of the number of incidents, injuries, and deaths because of explosive, incendiary, premature, and attempted bombings from January 1983 to December 2002. Morbidity and mortality by motives, target locations, and materials used were evaluated. Results: In the United States, 36,110 bombing incidents, 5,931 injuries, and 699 deaths were reported. There were 21,237 (58.8%) explosive bombings, 6,185 (17.1%) incendiary bombings, 1,107 (3.1%) premature bombings, and 7,581 (21.0%) attempted bombings. For explosive bombings with known motives, 72.9% of injuries and 73.8% of deaths were because of homicide. For incendiary bombings with known motives, 68.2% of injuries were because of extortion and revenge, and 53.5% of deaths were due to homicide. Private residences accounted for 29.0% of incidents, 31.5% of injuries, and 55.5% of deaths. Government installations accounted for 4.4% of incidents but were the site of 12.7% of injuries and 25.5% of deaths. In bombings with known materials, nitrate-based fertilizers accounted for 36.2% of injuries and 30.4% of deaths, and smokeless powder and black powder accounted for 33.2% of injuries and 27.1% of deaths. Conclusions: Illegal bombings and related injuries commonly occur in the United States. Because of the easy availability of bombing materials, government agencies and healthcare providers should prepare for potential mass-casualty bombings."

Ok, back to the serious business of squeezing a dime out of a nickel. Say that Orange1's kid happens to find a Cooper twenty on a beach in SA. Maybe some NB-6 hardware too. How can we make that happen? There's got to be some nice beaches down there. Is it summer now? perfect! It's perfect. We have everything lined up. We've got the scientist with electron microscopes. The crazy woman saying how Duane was in Africa once. Bruce with the background story on Braden and Africa, with some cow mutilation stuff for color when things get boring. We've got the Vietnam vet. 377 has the test dummy for the recreation. And South Africa is primed to be the world's focus, with the World Cup next year. I think we leak the story first with a reporter on TV 3 in Slovenia, so it's not in English, and people are trying to decipher it first just from the graphics. Then flights to Johannesburg are hard to get, so the story gets dragged out further while the world media scrambles to Orange1's door. PLUS: the kid ain't old enough to speak yet, (other than cute gurgles) so she won't spill the beans. Now: were does the money come from? Well Snowmman Industries has the 90 day futures market on 40mm grenades all tied down. I'm selling like crazy. When the Mini-Orange-Cooper story hits the news, everyone will forget about war for a week...The price on 40mm grenades drops, I buy to cover my shorts, and we all pocket the difference. 377 gets some consult fees on this test dummy. Everyone can work their own private deals. And it'll be better to have the hoax spread out across a bunch of countries. Makes jurisdiction issues messier. And don't have to worry so much about CIA rendition flights lately.

yeah, like everything here, nothing is really proof. But it's interesting. Note the incident was 2003. The 2005 report was a resolution of the court case that resulted. It had some more detail about the 2003 event. You can read various things into it: for instance 500+ gallons of oil floated, and spreads a lot. Some probably beached in other places. But the reports came from where people go. But the money likely didn't float. I think you only worry about currents if you're trying to get the current/water flow as the sole mechanism for deposit at Tena Bar.

Would have been cool if Tina would have knifed Duane when he showed her the bomb.

on Nov 30, 2008 Orange1 responded to a post: I said: "Next you're going to tell me the US economy is actually going to make a full recovery in the future." Orange1 said: "It is. (but "the future" is a long time)" Using VTSMX as a proxy for the US stock market.... VTSMX had hit a low of 18 on Nov 20, 2008 It broke that low on Mar 9, 2009 at 16.43 Last close 26.84 19.57 on Dec 1 2008, the earliest day after the Oracle spoke. That's a 37% increase from the pronouncement till today (in

georger: you're making things sound mysterious, for no good reason. examples: explain this (old post) http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3478575;search_string=oil%20spill;guest=62815156#3478575 later info, same incident: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3273195;search_string=oil%20spill;#3273195 and an experiment that Orange1 can work the numbers on: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3470665;search_string=oil%20spills;#3470665 (edit) Also: you seem to discount the dredge possibility and rely only on water movement in your wondering?

yay for mini-orange! I'm picturing the fast forward: Orange1 trying to use logic on the teenage mini-orange....and the reply, of course: "Yeah, mom"

I was thinking about this profile of Duane Weber 1) Terrorist - Flight 305 hijacking 2) connected with MLK and JFK murders. It's likely he murdered other people. And thinking about similar people, he probably frequented prostitutes. Jo: Did Duane ever mention prostitutes or talk about any other murders?

georger said "Heene said one of his concerns was that his son could be electrocuted ... ! not sure how real his concern was ie. how this craft is constructed or insulated. " Heene, in the 911 call, said this about voltages: Dispatcher: So was it running then? RH: Well it doesn't run, it's filled with helium. And it operates off of a million volts to move left and right — horizontal. And we were testing it to find out what effects we could get. Dispatcher: OK. And so it was last seen 20 minutes ago? RH: Um, probably. I'm gonna check the time. Probably, yeah. Dispatcher: Ok. So there's no electronics on it, there's no tracking device, right? RH: No, no. I don't know whether it's possible you guys could detect the electricity that it emits, but every five minutes it comes on for one minute, and uh, it emits a million volts on the outer skin. And uh, if he takes a ride in it he could get electrocuted. Dispatcher: Ok, so every five minutes it comes on for one minute and then shuts off again. RH: Right. Dispatcher: And it does that to charge? RH: No, no, no, no. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,567720,00.html I think he had some idea of the Biefield-Brown Effect with his million volt spew. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld%E2%80%93Brown_effect (note the device didn't have any electronics on it, though, regardless of what he said to the dispatcher)

in case 377 hasn't seen this: (edit) Coincidently, it's proof of what I said about UFOs and the Cooper cow mutilations. Unless Jo can put a cow mutilation on Weber, I think her case has just gotten weaker. (edit) I would also note people are making the connection between Balloon Boy and DB Cooper. see blogs here: http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?q=%22Balloon%20Boy%22%20%22DB%20COoper%22&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wb from rob thomas, on heene's plans: http://gawker.com/5383859/abc-reality-series-proposal-from-richard-heene-and-rob-thomas#ufo "Reality Series Proposal from Richard Heene and Rob Thomas Below is a proposal drawn up by Robert Thomas on behalf of his friend, collaborator and sometime employer Richard Heene, father of Balloon Boy. Heene was trying to sell a reality science series to the producers of Wife Swap after he appeared on the show. Of particular note is item 16, proposing an episode built around a publicity stunt involving a "homemade flying saucer." .. Richard Heene 05/08/2009 ABC Reality Series Proposal Breakdown of Experiments ... 16. Can we attract UFO's with a homemade flying saucer? We will modify a weather balloon, so that it resembles a UFO and will electrically charge the skin of the craft (Biefield-Brown Effect). We will capture the footage on film, and will utilize the media as a means with which to make our presence known to the masses. This will not only provide us with incredible footage, but will also generate a tremendous amount of controversy among the public, as well as publicity within the mainstream media. This will be the most significant UFO-related news event to take place since the Roswell Crash of 1947, and the result will be a dramatic increase in local and national awareness about The Heene Family, our Reality Series, as well as the UFO Phenomenon in general."