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I was reading about the guy who just blew his hand(s) off. He had lots of TATP..(they say "large amount"). Also had neo-nazi literature. Goes to my point of LOTS of people blowing up stuff around the US... . But they're taking pains to say he's not a terrorist. 'The FBI says "there is no threat to public safety."' How can they be sure? I mean, they didn't know before he blew his hands off, did they? How can they know now? So I'm confused. He really had the shit! plus political stuff. The terrorists don't have the shit. But the non-terrorists do have the shit. (edit) The terrorists only have fake C4 and fake Stingers from the FBI?? http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/california-man-blows-off-hands-explosives-inside-day/story?id=8783546 Of course they are all white. Maybe that matters http://www.inlandnewstoday.com/story.php?s=11006 (edit) picture of the non-terrorist bunker here http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-elsinore-bomb9-2009oct09,0,2852670.story?track=rss Only 1/4 of the world population is Muslim. I think I have a better plan for catching all terrorists. Assume all males are terrorists. Better net. Won't miss any. And the women? Well I'll take care of those investigations.

So if Ckret asks me if Snow has made any derogatory statements about the Bureau's handling of the Cooper investigation and I say no, I can be indicted? 377 So are you admitting you spoke to anyone about whether Snowmman was in trouble, or denying that you spoke to anyone about whether Snowmman was in trouble, or are you refusing to cooperate with the investigation into whether anyone spoke to anyone about whether Snowmman was in trouble? Hmm. Your reticence in this matter is troubling.

http://trac.syr.edu/tracfbi/index.html example data , exploring the conflicting definitions of "terrorist" "Who is a Terrorist" http://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/terrorism/215/ Federal Prosecutor Terrorism Definition* All Criminal Terrorism Referrals for Prosecution Completed Fiscal Years 2004 - 2008 Referrals for Prosecution - 8,896 Declined - 5,995 Prosecution Filed - 2,901 Prosecution Filed - 2,901 Dismissed - 559 Not Guilty - 40 Convicted - 2,302 Convicted - 2,302 No Prison - 1,055 Prison (one day or more) - 1,247 Prison - 1,247 less than 1 year - 342 1 yr up to 5 years - 660 5 years up to 20 years - 193 20 years or more (excluding life) - 43 life - 9 Median sentence of those convicted - 3 months Average sentence of those convicted - 26 months I believe anyone reading this thread is a terrorist. For instance, most readers of this thread have the attached U.S. Govt.-owned recipe for thermobaric explosives on their computers. This is minimally an IP theft, although the U.S. Govt is probably willing to negotiate a deal sharing profits gained through the use of the IP. Snowmman Industries neither investigates nor has knowledge of any enfringement by its employees, and makes no representations to customers. (edit) " (from the url above) Conclusion It has been argued that the absence of a major terrorist attack on the United States since September of 2001 indicates that the enforcement policies put in place by the Bush Administration were effective. But the picture that emerges from TRAC's examination of extensive government records — agencies continuing to waste their time on investigations that go nowhere, prosecutions that ultimately result in minimal sentences — strongly suggests that this may not be the case. Whatever the ultimate judgment on the broader question, there can be little doubt that the unfocused, wandering and erratic federal effort, revealed by TRAC's careful review of hundreds of thousands of records, could be significantly improved. A key first step to significant change: the development of a clear and understandable definition of terrorism. "

I have notified FBI SA Garrett Gumbinner, and FBI SA Micheal Copeland, that I have information about people lying with relation to a terrorism investigation. (Cooper) I expect arrests will be made shortly. The indictment for Zazi's father is attached. Upon reading it, I suddenly realized the extent of crime being done on this thread. On or about September 16, 2009, in the State and District of Colorado, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the executive branch of the Government of the United States, and in an offense involving international and domestic terrorism, MOHAMMED WALI ZAZI, did knowingly and willfully make a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement and representation to agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), that is, defendant ZAZI denied that he spoke with anyone by telephone regarding whether Najibullah Zazi was in any trouble, when, in fact, on or about September 11, 2009, defendant ZAZI did speak by telephone with a person regarding whether Najibullah Zazi was in any trouble. The foregoing count was in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001(a)(2). OFFENSE: Count One: Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001(a)(2) - Making a False Statement in a Matter Involving International and Domestic Terrorism PENALTY: Count One: NMT 8 years imprisonment, $250,000 fine, or both;

Brings back memories. One of Snowmman Industries' first contracts was installing the bugs at the Ariel Store and Tavern. I remember crawling under the floor thru all sorts of crap, thinking to myself how much money I was losing on the job, and how the next customer would pay. The thinking was that Cooper wouldn't show up at the party, but he would show up at some other times. I think it's only in the last couple years they slap the GPS trackers on all the cars in the parking lot during the party.. I forget now. Maybe that was at the last D.B. Cooper book signing in Portland. No wait, that's when we bugged the FBI guys' cars. It's easy to lose track with so many customers. Go Global On Day One. That plan was the key to our success. Hey check out this picture and look at all the individuals. It's always interesting to muse about people who build big bombs. This photo cracks me up, because it's like a photo of guys (and women) out at Little League or something...just all grown up...with a 30,000lb bomb of course. No beauty salon products here! in a group like this, everyone acts normal, but there's always a couple of smart guys that are slightly whacked. Especially the grey-haired ones.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/swartz-fbi

Snowmman Industries managed to pitch Bruce's treatment of going back in time to find out about DB Cooper. The cow angle was rejected, though. Magenta Theatre Oct 30-31 606 Main St., Vancouver. It's an interactive show. I suspect it would be okay to jump up and yell "Washougal" or "Duane Weber in the Conservatory" http://www.columbian.com/article/20091002/LIVING11/710029998 http://www.magentatheater.com/Sept2009.pdf On Friday, October 30 and Saturday, October 31 at 7:00 and 9:00pm, Crosspointe and Magenta Theater Company will present Mystery on Main – an interactive mystery event where participants will be thrust back in time to solve the case of the whereabouts of D.B. Cooper, the most famous skyjacker in history. The show features a hilarious cast of goofball characters including Harry Fettuccine, a cheesy, afro- and leisure suit-clad private eye from 1971. He'll swear everyone in and have the participants organize into teams which will compete against one another as they search the entire building at 606 Main Street for clues and conduct interviews in order to piece together the mystery. In real life, D.B. Cooper hijacked a Northwest Boeing 727 in the fall of 1971 and negotiated for a suitcase filled with $200,000 in unmarked bills. He then parachuted out of the airplane somewhere over Amboy, WA with the money and has never been seen or heard from again. Numerous theories surround the fate of Cooper, but only about $5,000 of the bills have been found, washed up along the Columbia River. Through Mystery on Main, local writer and director, Charlie Granade, will attempt to present a plausible scenario as to what really happened. Granade is a local pastor at Crosspointe Church in Vancouver and had the itch to write and direct another interactive mystery game, which he has done as corporate team-building for the last 15 years. Each of the Mystery shows will have a slightly different ending and way to win the game, in order to keep someone from having an advantage in the next run. This is not unlike the 1985 movie Clue. When playing in theaters, Paramount released three versions of the film, each with a different ending. Today, all three endings can be viewed on the DVD. The $10 tickets for Mystery on Main go on sale October 1. Reservations are required. Contact our box office as follows: • Online: www.magentatheater.com • Email: tickets@magentatheater.com • Phone: (360) 635-4358

The photos are impressive. March of this year. Photos: http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/crime/2009/03/12/photos_weapons_explosives_seiz.html I wonder why he wasn't charged with WMD charges? Seems like a terrorist to me. Political issues mentioned below. He's only facing 6-1/2 years? We'll see him soon. Amazing number of grenades for his launchers. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008847849_webweapons12m.html A Spokane man who was arrested in January after crates of military weapons were found in a Bellevue storage shed pleaded guilty this morning to five federal charges related to the illegal possession of firearms and explosives. Ronald Struve, 65, faces up to 78 months in prison when he is sentenced on June 5. Under a plea agreement with federal prosecutors, Struve pleaded guilty to five charges in U.S. District Court in Seattle involving the illegal possession of plastic explosives, a North Vietnamese machine gun, a silencer, grenade launcher and a grenade. He had originally faced a 117-count indictment. Struve was arrested in January after federal agents found a cache of weapons and explosives in a Bellevue commercial storage shed. Agents discovered the arsenal after contents of the shed were auctioned after Struve and another man failed to pay the storage fees. The new owner found crates and boxes filled with weapons and ammunition, included two grenade launchers, dozens of live grenades, military-grade plastic explosives and 37 machine guns. Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) raided other storage sheds and Struve's Spokane home, where additional weapons were found. ATF said many of the weapons were Vietnam-era military-issue and appeared to have been stolen. One of the high-explosive grenades had been "dud fired," meaning it could have exploded if mishandled. Prosecutors charged Struve with illegally possessing automatic weapons and illegally storing explosives. Struve's attorney, Jay Stansell, said at a hearing in January that his client was a "loner-type person with some unusual political beliefs." He had been in possession of the weapons for years, Stansell said, and was apparently keeping them in anticipation of Armageddon. Prosecutors this morning said they still didn't know how Struve came to possess the weapons and explosives.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/terror-plot-case-man-surveillance-denies-terrorist-connection/story?id=8711539 Here's the guy in NY where Zazi stayed at his house. There apparently were backpacks there. There's a picture of him there. Naiz Khan. They had 4 teams (8 people) of FBI surveilling him while he did the interview with the news reporter. I guess they're saying this guy wants to blow people up. Seems like a stretch to me. Who knows. He's not under arrest. But people seem to have convicted him. He does have a beard. I guess that counts. A funny name. But: he does have good prices for coffee on the sign behind him, for NYC.

It's the Williamette, not the Columbia. I suspect they have more big boats docking on the Williamette during the Rose Festival..like the article says. The Williamette dumps into the Columbia where we're interested, so it still applies. It's interesting because it shows our various pet theories about how bodies behave in rivers, and whether all bodies are found, and whether money could go through dredges, are pretty much just wild-assed-guesses about how stuff really behaves.

The CSG experimented with whether prop wash would churn up bodies littering the floor of the Williammette. Apparently it does. It also shows that bodies can stay at the bottom. Participants in the test were paid $1500. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/third_body_found_in_willamette.html Third body in a week found in Willamette By Lynne Terry, The Oregonian June 08, 2009, 10:08AM Portland Fire & Rescue pulled the body of an adult male from the Willamette River this morning, marking the third body found in the river this week. The body was recovered on the west side of the Marquam Bridge, said Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. The man's identity has not yet been released by the Multnomah County Medical Examiner's Office. Every year when the fleet rolls in to celebrate the Rose Festival, officials fish bodies out of the river. "It's rather morbid," said Lt. Allen Oswalt, spokesman for Portland Fire & Rescue. "Anytime the fleet comes in, it churns up the bottom of the river." He said bodies get stuck on items at the bottom of the Willamette River, which is cluttered with logs, shopping carts and other debris and when the big ships move through the water they unsettle debris and bodies become unhooked and surface. But the fleet did not appear to be a factor with this latest body, Lindstrand said. "This one is upriver from the ships so that had nothing to do with it," she said. She said the recovery by Portland Fire & Rescue and the Multnomah County The body of 29-year-old Ruby Zulma Smith, who had been missing since December was found within the past week along with another person that police have yet to identify. Lindstrand said detective still have to determine whether that person would be the center of a criminal investigation.

yeah I saw that, but didn't highlight it. A phrase like that was in a couple of articles, saying the FBI were looking at that. But there was another article with a tide guy dismissing it. My take was that the reporter caught a random thought from the FBI before it was resolved. But it is interesting that someone thought it was a possibility. Oh I saw the date Palmer came in. An article said Wednesday, 2/14/80. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=KqQSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MvkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6999,4016453&dq=geologist+palmer Leonard Palmer also went into Mt St. Helens before it blew to collect samples. He was quoted both before and after the eruption. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=E9MSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5PoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6778,4119678&dq=geologist+palmer

This is a new (to me) little tidbit. From John Pringle, spokesman for the FBI in Seattle. Feb 15, 1980 "He said agents borrowed a disc harrow from local farmer Jack Fazio to sift gently through the sand along the river about five miles northwest of Vancouver" http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=VTAQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lo8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4328,2850898 This is another interesting comment. I think we settled on the idea that the bundles were in a single wad. Here John Pringle says "Only one wad of .." http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=f5QSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=w_YDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1886,5625&dq=hijack+columbia+river "It's all from one bundle" and ..."Cooper had been given "several" bundles of money"...he declined to say how many bundles. then it says "big bundles of money wrapped in a package six inches high, one foot across and about 1-1/2 feet long." It's interesting, this talk about "bundles". And that Pringle says "all from one bundle". Maybe just confusion.

Where did Jerry get the idea that he's going to educate us all?

Sounds like you're pretty effective with your investigative techniques, Jerry. Good luck!

I have no idea what you're talking about Jerry. You honestly come across like every other military guy in a bar I've ever run into. If you're all that, then what all did you do with that knowledge, after you left the loving embrace of Uncle Sam? My guess: nothing. My honest reaction then is: you don't know jack.

How did we start talking about Hypothermia? If Cooper jumped and deployed and landed around Portland or Vancouver, why are his risks of hypothermia any worse than anyone else out that night downtown? I suspect he went in the Columbia, but I'm amazed how Jerry flits about, and acts like he's have a rational argument with someone about some thesis. It would be fine except he attacks Jo, and he's as nuts as Jo is. And this idea that the money displays signs of travel in the water. That's just not so. I've posted very high res photos of the money. There are no marks on the edges that can be attributed to some speculative behavior of rivers...not even with a stretch wilingness to "just believe". You might as well say the money displays marks that mirror the cuts on the cattle mutilation. I mean it's more likely that UFOs with lasers rounded off the bills, then anything Jerry is talking about. Still can't understand why we're talking about hypothermia. Hey did you see those guys in Sweden who stole a helicopter, lowered down on ropes, robbed the cash depot, and then left the stolen heli in the woods. They kept the police grounded with a fake bomb by the police heli. Jerry: Is it possible for someone to do all that. Oh never mind, there's an existence proof. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8270619.stm police claim you always need insiders for this kind of thing. Will be interesting if true. Maybe Zazi planned it? or a disciple? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090923/ap_on_re_eu/eu_sweden_helicopter_robbery In 2006, airport robbery got $1.1M while they were unloading crates of foreign currency. In 2002, similar robbery, while loading foreign currency at the airport. $6.3M.

If I follow Jerry's argument. 1) Cooper died. 2) Since Cooper died, he died in the Washougal. 3) The money has obvious tumbling marks from travelling in a river 4) Money thru a dredge would have cut marks 5) Jerry knows what people can do, therefore Cooper died in the Washougal. I don't hear anyone saying Cooper didn't die. I'm not sure why Jerry brought it up. If the money did land in the Columbia, we could have a reasonable discussion about whether that means it's likely Cooper no-pulled in the Columbia. It's a guess based on other things (like surrounding area populated).. But I'd go with the no-pull guess. But it's just a guess. Probably a lot of farmers going to die in WA this Thanksgiving if it rains. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say Jerry. You said a bunch of different things. (I guess you're saying something about jumping out of a plane being hard) Were you offering to pay me to try something? $1500/day I'll do any stunt you want. You said something about money tumbling in water, and relating it to the money found. I don't really know what you mean there. You have some data on what money looks like if you "tumble" it? Where did you get that? Tumble it with what..sand, rocks? sticks? ice?

okay. But the basic point/question is the same. Why did Tom K. think his measurement was valid for saying the money find and dredging spoils were unrelated? He did a comparison of supposed money find location vs the dredge plumes in the '74 aerial photo, and claimed "150 feet difference" or something...like it meant something. I could also ask "Why did Ckret say the Fazios did the spreading?" if the facts are someone else did. But that doesn't matter.

I looked around, and the typical RPM of these cutter heads is 20-40 RPM ..i.e. at the lower end it takes 3 seconds to turn once. I can't understand why anyone would believe this cutterhead would tear all the money up (i.e. 100% probability all money is shredded) Even if someone believed that, what size is a shred?

this one is attached to the dredge (on the arm). Some vegetation hanging on it. Hey, I think you can see the big suction pipe right behind it? (edit) I zoomed in to look at the Oregon again..it looks like that arm might be telescoping? When you zoom in, it's definitely the cutterhead. I attached that one too. I think saying that it's obvious the money would be chewed up, is wrong, just looking at the cutterhead. And we know it will go thru the impellers of the pump.

still pretty open. It's not like "fan" blades. Not even sure what speed they turn at. I suspect slow. (to avoid turbidity)

the picture of the Oregon made me realize that cutterheads have blades that are much more open than people might realize. I attached a drawing from an article. Look how open the blades are in this case. I suspect there are a bunch of different styles.

This was a nice closeup I posted a while back. taken 2/17/07 (edit) HEY! I think you can see the sucking end on the left...it's lowered down when working. Are those big things the cutterhead blades? ???? They're widely spaced if so. There's a big shaft there that may provides the turning power? (the authorized channel depth used to be 40 feet..they were going to improve to 43 feet) so the arm only needs to reach down to depth of 40ish feet?