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Saddam Hussein, leader of a sovereign state with billions of dollars of oil revenue -> No WMD Sluggo_monster, atomic energy wizard -> No WMD, just some guns Najibullah Zazi, shuttle bus driver -> WMD Fodder for the DB Cooper thread -> priceless. Hey I was thinking I have the immunity idol. As long as you start blabbering about DB Cooper and cow mutilations, you can do whatever you want. I'm starting to feel the "immunity idol effect" that Ted Braden must have felt. Can't touch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9nptjUs9FM&feature=related (edit) Evidently there's a claim of purchasing "stuff" now. Will be interesting to see what. I'm wondering how these purchases tie to the claim of big Uhaul trucks. Do they have the stuff he bought??? from foxnews http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,555041,00.html "purchasing — on multiple occasions — the components necessary to produce TATP [Triacetone Triperoxide] and other explosive devices" also "We believe any imminent threat arising from this case has been disrupted, but as always, we remind the American public to be vigilant and to report any suspicious activity to law enforcement." "The investigation is being conducted by the New York and Denver FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces, which combined have investigators from more than fifty federal, state and local law enforcement agencies." Remember it's spelled "s-n-o-w-m-m-a-n" ...Two m's. I'm going to drop a dime on a couple billion rounds of ammunition.

"Terror suspect Najibullah Zazi was indicted Thursday by federal grand jury in New York on charges that he conspired to use weapons of mass destruction." The filing also alleges for the first time that Mr. Zazi "purchased components of improvised explosive devices" and traveled to New York on Sept. 10 "in furtherance of his criminal plans." "The new charge guarantees that Zazi will not be released pending trial and it’s important to remember that we still may see more charges here, including a terror support charge, once more information is known. But right now Zazi is looking at life in prison without parole if he’s convicted and gets the maximum sentence." Now normal people will have been introduced to the concept of Zazi=WMD this morning. But loyal thread readers knew that already. I have mailed the attached letter to the relevant authorities. Dear Mr. xxxx As you know, I am under subpoena to appear before your committee on xxxxx. I am most willing to answer all questions about myself. I have nothing to hide from your committee and there is nothing in my life of which I am ashamed. I have been advised by counsel that under the fifth amendment I have a constitutional privilege to decline to answer any questions about my political opinions, activities, and associations, on the grounds of self-incrimination. I do not wish to claim this privilege. I am ready and willing to testify before the representatives of our Government as to my own opinions and my own actions, regardless of any risks or consequences to myself. But I am advised by counsel that if I answer the committee’s questions about myself, I must also answer questions about other people and that if I refuse to do so, I can be cited for contempt. My counsel tells me that if I answer questions about myself, I will have waived my rights under the fifth amendment and could be forced legally to answer questions about others. This is very difficult for a layman to understand. But there is one principle that I do understand: I am not willing, now or in the future, to bring bad trouble to people who, in my past association with them, were completely innocent of any talk or any action that was disloyal or subversive. I do not like subversion or disloyalty in any form and if I had ever seen any I would have considered it my duty to have reported it to the proper authorities. But to hurt innocent people whom I knew many years ago in order to save myself is, to me, inhuman and indecent and dishonorable. I cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit this year’s fashions, even though I long ago came to the conclusion that I was not a political person and could have no comfortable place in any political group. I was raised in an old-fashioned American tradition and there were certain homely things that were taught to me: To try to tell the truth, not to bear false witness, not to harm my neighbor, to be loyal to my country, and so on. In general, I respected these ideals of Christian honor and did as well with them as I knew how. It is my belief that you will agree with these simple rules of human decency and will not expect me to violate the good American tradition from which they spring. I would, therefore, like to come before you and speak of myself. I am prepared to waive the privilege against self-incrimination and to tell you everything you wish to know about my views or actions if your committee will agree to refrain from asking me to name other people. If the committee is unwilling to give me this assurance, I will be forced to plead the privilege of the fifth amendment at the hearing. A reply to this letter would be appreciated. Sincerely yours, Snowmman

Okay here's the problem with Orange1. Orange1 would say the answer to my riddle is: Cooper said "You'll sentence me to six years in prison." If it was true, then the judge would have to make it false by sentencing him to four years. If it was false, then he would have to give him six years, which would make it true. Rather than contradict his own word, the judge set Cooper free. But what actually happened: Cooper said, "You can't sentence me without reading the entire Cooper thread at DZ.com." The judge mulled it over, and set Cooper free.

Riddles? Ok. Cooper was tried and convicted, and came to court to be sentenced. The judge told him, "You may make a statement. If it is true, I'll sentence you to four years in prison. If it is false, I'll sentence you to six years in prison." His lawyer, 377, leaned over and whispered in Cooper's ear. Snowmman shot rubber bands at the bailiff. The rubber bands crumbled into dust on impact. After Cooper made his statement, the judge decided to let him go free. What did Cooper say?

I'm huge. What more to show?

Thanks for the great work with Anderson. (edit) oh I see you got it thru Cook...still good work. Per usual. You're the trained professional, man with a badge, etc. A keyboard and a phone in Bruce's hands: deadly weapons. If he had a damn working computer, there'd be hell to pay. Hey did you get the monitor issue fixed? Is it still flipping off? Good confirmation on the flight path and lights.

Jerry said "Zazi . You kind of took my post wrong." Jerry. Zazi is in jail. He didn't listen to the training, to just shut up. He only lasted thru 3 days of enhanced interrogation techniques. That's nothing. What a wussbag. I've temporarily taken over control of the doomsday device Mertvaya Ruka and the teams. This is to instruct you it's No Go! Do you understand me?! NO GO on Marylin Rexroth Doyle -- No Go. It's a no go! Get it? No one any the wiser. Okay! No no! No contract! It's all over. It's a no go, Joe. Hikaru no Go.

Farf worried "But I have obviously struck a sensitive chord somewhere in my preceding 7 posts and have absolutely no idea the cause." Well you know the answer already. You can punctuate, spell, and state a thesis, and chain it back to physical evidence. The nail that sticks out must be hammered down! You know what's really scary. Farf: EVERYONE involved in the Cooper thing is exactly like Jerry. Himmelsbach. Even Ckret, for all the defenders here of Ckret. Even the Scientist. Even Nat Geo. Everyone. There is no safe harbor. That's why, here on Gilligan's Island, the only sensible question is "Mary Ann or Ginger?" (edit) Farflung. Something for you to ponder. You're laying it on thick with an implication that somehow brains can achieve something here. Bring it on. What you got? Better than you have tried and failed. That's the real problem here. Rationality can't add value. Try. You'll see. You can take the ball and go home. But all that means is you took the ball and went home.

Farf said "I have no explanation for my troglodyte mannerisms and hope I didn't come across as a self important, self aggrandizing, semi literate with a displaced sense of ownership about the subject matter reflected in this thread." Heh-heh! That's about the best summary of the thread so far..better than 377's a while back. There's nothing in the prior posts. Don't worry about it. Hey! Farf has a brain. How did he land here. He must have killed someone, somewhere. Or just got dumped. Or ? Sluggo always waxed philosophic about why people on Internet forums acted differently. My position is that on an internet forum, it's closer to what people really are...and the real problem is that we just don't like each other...i.e. real life is the fake thing! Farf! You're exactly right in your perception. But what you'll find, is that everyone is immune to all normal entreaties. The thread goes on forever. Rationality is not a prerequisite. And the FBI was here and didn't display any traits that would lead us to a higher plane of existence. Basically we are disciples, in search of a guru. In other news, 3000 disciples of Zazi are being investigated, including 12 that have infilitrated the Dept. of Homeland Security and the Senate. Even though a doomsday device has been planted somewhere between Colorado and New York, with a password known only to Snowmman, the DHS threat level has not been raised to Red. Police depts have been notified and are clearing their families out, but normal citizens are being left behind as fodder. http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0924/p02s09-usgn.html Citizens realizing that this is the big one, varsity level, have taken matters into their own hands. In August, the number of background checks performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Instant Criminal Background Check System was up 12.3% from the same month in 2008 to about 1.1 million. (This is single month...1 million. I saw another thing that cited similar increases for 6 months straight?) Americans usually buy about 7 billion rounds of ammunition a year, according to the National Rifle Association. In the past year, that figure has jumped to about 9 billion rounds, said NRA spokeswoman Vickie Cieplak. Here's the real problem: Jason Gregory, who manages Gretna Gun Works just outside of New Orleans, has been building his personal supply of ammunition for months. His goal is to have at least 1,000 rounds for each of his 25 weapons. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jpdcxje-YAFDJZhFz32imz1h0pxwD9AT6S4G1 I'm still scratching my head over Zazi. They say he was working on a doomsday device, somewhere between Colorado and NY, and they've sent out all this breathless information. Like he had a single jpeg of nine pages of handwritten notes on peroxide stuff. (how does all my youtube video compare..Would they report 12,895 frames of flash video?) But there's no increase in the "threat level" from yellow to red, and there's no explosives or materials. Yet there are allegations of massive Uhaul trucks trying to be rented by the 3 stooges, and a dozen backpacks and disciples in the double digits. It'll be interesting if there really is anything. Right now, it looks like a lot of baloney. I mean, they've not interviewed the 4 hiding in my basement yet (disciples always travel in fours) I'll eat my words if I'm wrong. But this smells, to me.

377 said "Snow will have to post a full report on his Antarctic adventures" See, this is one of those things, where the uninitiated would say "no way you could convince someone to ..." The key is to create the situation where you can then deliver the perfect line: "We're both going to freeze to death unless we ...."

hmm. so we need info about Khrushchev visting San Francisco in 1959, and riding a garbage truck I think it was not at 4 AM. I have evidence it was likely at 7:30 AM. Here: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=rIMKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZEsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6845,3006102&dq=nikita+garbage+truck+san+francisco The Premier began today with a further show of independence from the planning and restrictions. He bounced out of his hotel at 7:30 a.m. and took an unscheduled two-block walk, pausing for a little sidewalk superintending of operations of a garbage truck, and waving at girls riding cable cars. Khrushchev was disappointed if head had hoped to find cheers and applause at the longshoreman's hall. THere wasn't anybody there except a gray-shirted union employee who told him, "We wish you peace". Oh, FBI FOIA. I can only hope, on my deathbed, that I discover a 10,000 page dossier on "snowmman" at the FBI. It's on my bucket list. I shall die of disappointment if my FOIA reveals nothing. I thought the idea of a bucket list was silly, until I read one that said "Have a relationship with a woman from every continent".... Hmm. I can see how it makes sense now. Planning involved.

How many believe the following story: When Boris Yeltsin, then Russian President, visited Clinton and stayed at the Blar House, the White House guest residence, in 1995, the Secret Service found Yeltsin standing along on Pennsylvania Avenue, wearing only his underwear, trying to get a cab. Yeltsin, slurring his words, told the Secret Service he wanted a pizza. http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/21/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5327644.shtml?tag=pop Remember, this is the president of Russia at the time, man at the head of a country with more nukes than the US (since 1980? US was way ahead from 1950-1980) Hey that reminds me, we're cleaning house here, and SMMI is selling copies of plans for a Mertvaya Ruka device. Till the end of the week, free pizza with each copy. No export restrictions. Muammar Al-Qadhafi speaks at the UN, while the FBI is running after 24 "disciples" of Najibullah Zazi. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/23/national/main5331531.shtml?tag=stack I think Bruce is on solid ground.

re: cattle mutilations The FBI FOIA on their cattle mutilation investigations in the '70s is interesting to read. Lab test results and everything (along with some news articles) http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/ufoanim.htm

"What I HAVE SAID IS THAT THERE WAS A drift difference of 12 miles" What kind of drift is this? plane? money? water? tokyo? arabian? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLjbRrUSVOI I still don't understand why Jerry won't draw a flight path. A picture is worth 10,000 words in this case. Let's see, if computer usage is the issue, produce a set of points as latitude/longitude, with minute intervals. Starting and ending at some interesting points. Then I'll plot it for you. I can't picture any such set of points that makes sense. So you have to produce the points. I mean, once you start thinking about "points" and "time" ....you can see why talking about random drift here and there doesn't mean anything. It's all about time and place. It's about time, it's about space, About two men in the strangest place. It's about time, it's about flight - Traveling faster than the speed of light. This is the tale of the brave crew As through the barrier of time they flew. Past a fighting minuteman, past an armored knight, Past a Roman warrior, to this ancient site. It's about caves, cavemen too, About a time when the earth was new. Wait'll they see what is in sight! Is it good luck or is it good night? It's about two astronauts, it's about their fate, It's about a woman and her prehistoric mate. (edit) if you don't have it in your head already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1G-TsdNWGg

I don't remember that. How would they prove it? Remember the time displacement between the hijack and the placard find. (Jan, 1979) I searched on "placard" for posts by Ckret. There was only one where Ckret mentioned the placard. Ckret mentions a "20 degrees" theory. But that's pretty weak. It's possible. Not guaranteed. "From reading the reports in the file the placard was found in this general area, I have not located the Sheriff's Office report on the matter so I don't have the exact location. Keep in mind the airstairs where released just a few minutes out of Seatac, so they would have been open about 20 degrees the whole flight. " Let's see, in Gunther's book, there's a caption under the photo of it...where they say "confirmed by the FBI to be the one missing from the plane". How would the FBI confirm though? It does say "Emergency Exit Handle" at the top...that makes it sound like it's an interior sign. I'm not sure where the exterior sign question was raised. But if it's an interior sign, then yeah, it's hard to believe any other 727's would be open to losing an interior sign. I attached the photo from the Gunther book (again) since it's the best one that I think is available.

Attached is an aerial shot of the find location for Kennewick Man. It is the same as Tena Bar. The conclusion is obvious. (attached photo from site) http://www.tri-cityherald.com/kman/ (edit) Also: the Beer connection: from http://www.tri-cityherald.com/1211/story/136622.html "The man who found Kennewick Man" By Anna King, Herald staff writer Will Thomas was standing in knee-deep water trying to finish off a couple cans of Busch Light. He saw a roundish brown rock in the river near his foot and thought he would play a joke on his buddy Dave Deacy who was standing nearby onshore. "I thought I could pull it off like it was a head," Thomas said. The rock was stuck in the thick mud, so Thomas had to take a firm right-hand grip to free it while clutching his beer safely in his left hand. Oddly, the rock wasn't heavy. Then he saw teeth. "It was a jaw dropper," Thomas said. "It was a human skull, no doubt about it.""

hey they're still finding Indian bones around/in the Columbia river. Remember when they found Kennewick Man in 1996, 9300 year old bones. And the jawbone they just found recently this month up by Richland, WA in the Columbia is confirmed to be Native American. Richland is right near Kennewick. http://kuow.org/program.php?id=18343 about 200 miles upstream of Portland. Oh yeah almost forgot: I have been authorized by House Subcommittee to release the following: The FBI found Cooper's bones. The evidence: The Burke Museum is still holding Kennewick man. see legal and other timeline here: http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/kman/chronology.php Guess what Museum has the Kennewick man: Burke Museum. Who works at the Burke Museum: The scientist. http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/collections/paleontology/people_kaye.php P.S. The wedding cake is ready. Previous customer never picked up. 30% off. Cash only. Will deliver.

This is a repost of another plane crash with no body found (in '71). There's actually a couple of them at different places in the Columbia (and also random drownings with no body found) "That autumn, Tektronix announced the first layoffs in its fast-paced history. Adding to the pain that year was the death of Murdock, who drowned when his seaplane flipped during takeoff on the Columbia River. Murdock had not been active in daily management of the company for many years, but he had stayed on as chairman of the board and was generally regarded as the person who gave Tektronix its strategic vision." details of the accident: from Google News (article snippet) May 18, 1971 - State Patrol officers said Murdock, 54, and a passenger, Naomi Hamblin of Portland, swam for shore after staying with the overturned plane for two hours. Police said Murdock apparently did not make it to shore. Mrs. Hamblin said the two floated downstream with the plane until it was caught in ... also see here: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=KkMVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=xwgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3051,6534809&dq=murdock+drowned+tektronix Friend's tribute which confirmed Murdock's body never found..also picture of flipped seaplane at this url: http://www.orjw.org/Paranormal-journey/MJ-Murdock/index.htm "May 16, 1971 when he wasn't able to get his seaplane back in the air after landing at Miller's Cove on the Columbia and it tipped over on a stormy day in May. The treacherous undertow soon carried him and his plane out of sight. The plane was later recovered. Jack was last seen precariously clinging to a float. His body was never found. " This 1980 article also refers to him being "presumed drowned" in 1971. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=KqQSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MvkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3917,4135986&dq=murdock+drowned+tektronix attached photo of the flipped seaplane

Farflung said: "Any clue about the free fall characteristics of a six inch squared piece of sheet plastic?" Think about leaves flying in the wind. They don't fly like kites. A chaotic unstable oscillation. Acts like a parachute actually. You can simulate a descent rate. The slow descent rate is what gives you travel in the wind direction. But no lift or anything, like a kite. Or at least very little (only lift from upward wind currents?) I read a little on this, but that's my guess.

I think people are stretching on the placard thing. There is no forensic evidence connecting the placard to Cooper's 727. Are we sure it was an internal placard? There are no external placarrds I would think, even though the stairs are openable from outside on the runway. Are all external information painted on? Does anyone know this? I thought I remember reading someone claim that the external ones fall off..if so, and since there were lots of 727s there...if the placard could have been external..then who knows where it came from?

farflung mentioned "30 foot red and yellow canopy" Gunther I think mentioned red and yellow But I thought that most of the reporting talked about a white canopy. I thought Ckret verified this? Farflung: why did you mention red and yellow? (and why 30 foot?)

everything I read from "law enforcement sources" about this Zazi thing sounds insane. I can't believe they refer to this as "varsity level" I read one thing where they claimed, he was going to pick up the materials for some massive plot "on the way" from Denver to NY. ??? You build a big bomb, and you drive to NY and pick up stuff "on the way" for it?? I thought it was funny that the drunk guys in camo with loaded AR-15 and .45 pistol, were arrested at Zazi's complex. They said "they heard a shot and went to investigate". So American. I'm still wondering about these supposed hand-written notes distributed by computer, where the handwriting opinion (in the warrant) is from someone not trained in handwriting analysis. Are they saying Zazi wrote/drew something, then took a picture of it or scanned it, and then emailed it around? Can you imagine if Zazi had a loaded AR-15 like the drunk guys in camo? They would have hanged him already. What's the connection to Cooper: The FBI is still incompetent.

georger said "yes, I have always said I thought Cooper would see skyglow from 10k feet especially with a ceiling of 3500-5000 ft, but you and others always said I was wrong. No you are arguing for it (because it suits your current needs?)." I tried searching for where people said anything negative about skyglow. Me or others. couldn't find it. maybe you could point me to it. Why would anyone argue against glow thru clouds? ah okay found one by me. I was saying that an experienced jumper might not spot on the city lights because he'd be worried about the water. here http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3445850;search_string=vancouver%20lights;#3445850

per http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/list/69-12-02?OpenDocument Airworthiness Directive Federal Aviation Administration 14 CFR Part 39 Amendment 39-813; AD 69-12-02 BOEING 707/720 and 727 Series Airplanes DATES: Effective September 9, 1969. BOEING: Amendment 39-813: 707/720 and 727 series airplanes. Applies to all Boeing 707/720 and 727 series airplanes, as appropriate. 3. For Models 727/727C/727-200 ADD NEW PARAGRAPH HEADING "WARNING HORN" IN SECTION 3, to read: WARNING HORN LANDING The warning horn will sound when any thrust lever is retarded or the flap control lever is retarded or the flap control lever is in the 30 degree or 40 degree detent with the landing gear in an "unsafe to land position." CABIN PRESSURIZATION The warning horn will sound intermittently whenever the cabin altitude exceeds 10,000 feet.

I thought the jumpers with experience in the issue, said you'd be able to see the glow of lights thru the clouds. When you fly commerical jets as passenger, and it's cloudy, can you see cities lit thru the clouds? (especially if the surrounding area is not very populated, like in WA at the time (and even now))