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Larry Carr thinks he's "getting the word out" with his TV appearances with Tom the Paintball Wizard..and meanwhile there's a whole group of guys who are confident about Braden "Here’s what Hardy told me. “There’s no doubt in my mind that Ted Braden is, or was, DB Cooper." No matter how the Braden thing turns out, how many other interesting suspects might there be, where the FBI is just never going to get a call? I mean, this isn't like dropping a dime on a bank robbery. I really can't picture how Carr thought he had a strategy for solving this case. What was Carr doing here anyhow, if he thought Cooper was dead, and had little jump experience? What was the point of talking with folks here?

I had done a light search on his background, but didn't realize he had done HALO early on at Ft Bragg, and didn't realize he was 1-0 with RT Colorado in 68-69. RT Colorado had a lot of interesting folks thru the years. I wonder if Hetrick knew Kendall? (Hetrick, Braden and Bath were RT Colorado at one point) (edit) I just checked dates. Plaster puts Hetrick, Braden and Bath on RT Colorado in Oct, 1966.

Bruce reported "Other things happened there, but Kendall said that he can’t tell me everything because a lot of stuff is still classified. " It's funny that there are old guys who think that something that happened in Vietnam in '62-'71 still has some national security implications, such that it needs to be kept secret from the American public. Usually that just means stuff that would be perceived negatively nowadays. Nothing to do with national security. That's fine though. Can you imagine WWII or Korean War guys arguing that anything they know from back then is "classified". See Orange1? The US is a miltaristic society. There's no way to avoid saying that. We like our military stuff.

there was never anything that said Joseph Homer. It's always been HoRNer. I thought I pointed this out before. sluggo mistyped. Even Der Spiegel says HoRNer...see here http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Ted+B.+Braden%22+Horner&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

agreed Orange1. (edit) just read your note about african families. Yes, I don't know about African history much. But it's an American thing, to always be looking for the best we can imagine, isn't it? Like today's news, talking about CIA and power drills and fake executions. My reaction is mostly "how incompetent" and "haven't we learned anything". (edit) I mean power drill is nothing. Chain saw is something. But if you're going to pull the chain saw out, you have to be willing to cut off something. Otherwise you're just stupid. See that's what's disappointing. Not that we've done bad things, but that we don't fully absorb the lessons from the past, as a nation. It seems we as nation still haven't condemned torture in all cases. Isn't that interesting? Cheney's book will be interesting. (edit) (attached photo from newsweek.com) "Here, a Vietnamese soldier (picture in 1964) ties a Viet Cong guerrilla to an armored vehicle before dragging him through a stream, in an effort to make him talk"

I don't know what the story is. Here's another side of it. http://www.pedropan.org/history.html and to put faces on real people (including some shots from back then) http://www.pedropan.org/gallery.html (edit) book with first hand accounts from the kids. As you can expect, some have a totally different view of whether it was 'good' http://books.google.com/books?id=FsXg7uNul5YC&pg=PA156&lpg=PA156&dq=operation+pedro+pan+sexual+abuse&source=bl&ots=lZsHSLXtgk&sig=GjIfc3HTzRxpGm5ViFjxcaZMSto&hl=en&ei=t0yQSqTeCJLQsQPNw5wM&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false "Operation Pedro Pan: The Untold Exodus of 14,048 Cuban Children" by Yvonne M. Conde # Publisher: Routledge; Reprint edition (January 1, 1999) # ISBN-10: 0415928230 # ISBN-13: 978-0415928236 Book overview On August 11, 1961, at the age of ten, Yvonne M. Conde left Cuba in one of the world's largest political exoduses of children in history--Operation Pedro Pan. Between 1960 and 1962 over 14,000 children were sent out of Cuba alone by desperate parents who feared for their children's future under Castro. Unlike Peter Pan, however, these children continued to grow up even while separated from their families. Yvonne M. Conde investigates the events and key figures surrounding the exodus, including the roles of the Catholic church and the State Department, and the extent of the CIA's involvement. As the children arrived in temporary camps in Miami, dedicated volunteers such as Father Bryan O. Walsh helped them find new homes across the country. Conde has tracked down hundreds of these children to tell their diverse stories--their uplifting, poignant, and sometimes tragic experiences in American foster homes and orphanages. Because she herself was a Pedro Pan child, others have opened up to her like never before to share their feelings about this painful time in their lives. Today, these children and their families struggle to heal the emotional scars of their long separation. Writing with compassion and rare insight, Yvonne M. Conde uncovers the true tales of a little known episode of the Cold War." (edit) some video and photos here http://www.miamiherald.com/1489/story/1054954.html

from http://www.cuba.cu/gobierno/reflexiones/2009/ing/f110609i.html (edit) also note wikipedia description of Operation Peter Pan here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Peter_Pan Reflections by Comrade Fidel The envy of Goebbels Yesterday I was listening to the Round Table TV program when it analyzed, among other topics, Operation Peter Pan, one of the most repugnant acts of moral aggression carried out against our country. Patria potestas is an extremely sensitive issue. That was a repugnant low trick. One of the novels by Mikhail Sholokhov that I read some years later included a reference to that kind of slander which had already been used against the Revolution of October,1917. The mastermind behind that operation against Cuba was Monsignor Walsh, an American Catholic priest who worked under the orders of the bishop of Miami. The operation began in 1960. As is known, our Revolution had not placed any obstacles whatsoever to prevent those who wanted to leave the country from doing so. The work of the Revolution had to be voluntarily made by a free people. The imperialist response, among many other serious aggressions, was Operation Peter Pan. When Taladrid was making his comments on that event, he mentioned the name of Ángel Fernández Valera, a professor of Economics. I remembered that when I was on my last senior high school year at Colegio de Belén, a lay professor used to teach us one of the subjects: Political Economy. Obviously, this was not about a Marxism-Leninism course, which was the ideological issue resorted to 18 years later in order to expel Cuba from the OAS. Those were simple and quite elemental classes on bourgeois political economy. What else were we, the white pupils who studied there? The professor who taught those classes two or three times a week was very punctual and never missed a class. I was surprised by what I heard during the Round Table program. I wonder if that man was the same professor I had met. I called Taladrid and asked for more information. I checked that with him, because I knew that man had been a professor at Colegio de Belén. Luis Báez equally asserts that I had met with that professor somewhere in Havana in 1959 and that I had criticized his attitude, but I did not remember that detail. Some days ago, Walsh was decorated post mortem for having worked the “feat” of Operation Peter Pan. A few years before he had declared that he had received some telephone calls for him to start with the operation and that he had made some arrangements with the CIA. By the end of May, Álvaro F. Fernández, the son of Fernández Varela, declared to the digital magazine Progreso Semanal that “…a few years before he died in Miami, my father brought us together in front of my mother, my sister María, her husband and myself, and told us that he had been one of the persons responsible for the drafting of the false Law that gave rise to the hysteria that surrounded the ‘elimination of the patria potestas’. That is why I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that Operation Peter Pan was a sinister and immoral maneuver designed and longed for by the CIA before the Bay of Pigs invasion…” A CIA agent brought the false bill to Havana from Miami. Ángel Fernández Varela himself told to the magazine Contrapunto that he had worked for the CIA between 1959 and 1968. Each of the 14 000 children involved in that tragedy followed their own traumatic path. They were mostly from middle class families. They were not the children of landowners or the wealthy bourgeois; there was no reason why they had to be dragged into that tragedy. By that time there was a Yankee embassy that granted the permits to enter the United States. The Peter Pan children application forms were sent to Cuba in packages and afterwards they were filled up here with the names of he children. None of them required to be saved. Throughout many years the Revolution has allowed the exit of around one million persons. Most of them have left for the United States, the richest country of all, which incentivates the brain drain and the stealing of cultivated persons and skilled labor force. The United States would not be in the position to do the same with any other country of Latin America. Who else could have been benefited from that diabolical clandestine operation? María de los Ángeles Torres, an associate professor of Political Sciences at the DePaul University in Chicago, was a Peter Pan child. Although she is not a revolutionary, she called for the CIA to declassify around 1 500 documents about Operation Peter Pan. The CIA has refused to declassify them under the pretext of national security. This whole issue smells so bad that some are reluctant to unveil it. Despite that refusal, professor Torres asked and succeeded in that the Presidential Library Lyndon B. Johnson could grant her access to a document issued by the US government in which it refused a proposal made by the High Commissioner of the United Nations whereby the United Nations would cover the transportation costs for the parents of the children who had been sent to the United States. That material was published by the press of that country more than 15 years ago. Operation Peter Pan was a cynical publicity maneuver that would have been the envy of Goebbles himself, the Nazi minister of Propaganda. Fidel Castro Ruz June 11, 2009 4:40 p.m.

Well, there's a leap of logic that would span the widest part of the Grand Canyon. Re castro, why don't you try fidel.castro@cuba.gov ? maybe try cubaminrex@minrex.gov.cu some reflections from Fidel are at http://www.cuba.cu/gobierno/discursos/ I'll post a more recent one from 2009 hey, CIA and Che article on the home page of Diario Granma http://www.granma.cubasi.cu/

Cryer's account is attached. He seems to say some Huey pilot recorded the tape above.

full document at http://www.hardscrabblefarm.com/vn/ranger-manual.html Pretty interesting. Special Forces Combat Recon Manual Republic of Vietnam POI 7658, Patrolling FTX Prepared by Project (B-52) Delta HQ. NhaTrang 1. Attached are "Reconnaissance Tips of the Trade" prepared by Detachment B-52. Commanders of all units are encouraged to disseminate, widely, the information contained therein. The information presented in the attached "Recon Tips" is very appropriate for use in unit and individual training of US and indigenous personnel. Such information can be of significant value to units engaged in conventional patrolling as well as special reconnaissance units. 2. Detachment B-52, 5th Special Forces Group (Abn), 1st Special Forces assembled the original document. Was assisted by personnel of B-52, MACV Recondo School and 5th SFGA Combat Orientation Course School, who contributed from their knowledge and experience. Special credit is given to MSG Norman A. Downey, 1 SG, CCC Recon Company for his assistance. 3. This document has been reviewed and annotated by Headquarters, 5th Special Forces Group (Abn), 1st Special Forces. For easy use and reference the document has been organized into annexes.

I just found this. I can't believe it, since I really wanted to hear it after Plaster described it. It's the real thing. The mp3 is posted at professionalsoldiers forum. (on 9/5/07) You should be able to listen to it just by clicking, but you can download and click on it too I have firefox setup to play when I click it. If I use IE7 it prompts me to download. So you may have to play with your browser options if you can't get a prompt to download it. It's 32.29MB, but you still should be able to play it live. http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/files/sog_recon_team_in_trouble.mp3 Bruce: gripping when combined with the background reading from Plaster's books. The details below (like Plaster being called "Plasticman") are correct per Plaster's book. Plaster mentioned how he got the tape in his book. (edit) I just saw how this tape was recorded (see description)..so maybe it's not the same tape Plaster mentioned. Not sure. It says it was Cryer and Plaster on the Covey that recorded it? Maybe the tape is from Cryer, and Plaster didn't know Cryer had it? (edit) another post maybe said it was recorded back at Camp Long Thanh? here's the description of what's going on. (edit) not sure who the poster was. This is a recording of two Recon Teams (RT's) who are in dire straits. Both RT's are losing a battle whereby death is imminent. Those RT's are: RT Colorado with Pat Mitchel being the 1-0, Lyn St. Laurent as the 1-1, and David "Lurch" Mixter as the 1-3. RT Colorado is an eight man team including the five Indigenous troops. The other was RT Hawaii with Les Dover as the 1-0, Regis Gmitter the 1-1, and John Justice the 1-2 (I believe this to be the case with this recon team as far as who was what on the team through natural progression of skills learned in combat.) May not be accurate though, reader and listener take note. Also, it is unknown to me how many Indigenous Troops made up RT Hawaii at that time. RT Colorado is the team that is running for its life. RT Hawaii is holding their own. Both RT's have called out a "Prairie Fire" in Laos near the Ho Chi Minh Trail and are approximately 10 miles apart as the crow flies. Colorado has just been hit by a North Vietnamese platoon of 40 men who desire no more than to wipe this team completely off the face of the Earth. During this Prairie Fire, David Mixter is killed when he saves Mitchel's life by shoving him to one side and exchanging fire with an NVA armed with an RPG. Mixter and the NVA exchange fire immediately. The NVA fires his RPG as Mixter fires his weapon. The RPG hits Mixter in the knee area and kills him instantly as the NVA drops dead by Mixter's return Fire. What exactly does a "Prairie Fire mean? It means at least three things, they are: 1) You are in contact with a much superior force than yours. 2) Either completely surrounded or will be. 3) Death is imminent. The other two "emergencies" were the following: 1) Tactical - meaning you are in engaged with the enemy, but you are holding your own for now. This could be upgraded at any time to a "Prairie Fire". Especially if you are surrounded and have allot of wounded. 2) Team - Somebody is sick or injured. All pilots that flew gunships, helicopters, attack and fighter aircraft were given a "briefing" before flying in country. That briefing entailed what to do if a FAC has called out a "Prairie Fire" over the radio. By the rules in Vietnam everyone listening was to stop what they were doing and come to the aid of the FAC/Recon Team(s). John "Plasticman" Plaster is the "Covey Rider or Backseater" on the afternoon shift with Captain Mike Cryer as the pilot of their OV-10 Bronco. They had just lifted off from Pleiku after eating lunch there and are heading out towards Laos. Ken "Shoebox" Carpenter is flying as the CR onboard the military version of the Cessna 210 Skymaster over Laos at this time. As Plaster and Cryer left for Laos they noticed how clear the sky was considering that most of January had been very wet. As they passed Ben Het below, Cryer switched their radio frequency over to "Shoebox" Carpenter's frequency and what you hear for the next 35 minutes is two RT's fighting to stay alive. One other item of importance. The reason why you hear so many people talking at once is because allot of the helicopters and FACs had what is known as a "hot mic". What this means is that the microphone is always on and talking on it is much like talking on a telephone. Everybody can talk and hear responses immediately. The only exception to this is the Recon Team(s). They relied upon the PRC-25 and much later in the war the PRC-77 for commo and this meant that the RT could constantly moniter a channel (receive) and transmit by pushing the button in on the handset. Also, the first "Prairie Fire" you here is from RT Hawaii's 1-0 Regis Gmitter and it is during their rescue mission. When you here Platster call on the radio: "I have your smoke, where do want the firepower brought in?" you will hear Pat Mitchel's voice stating that "Their is only two of us left and Charlie is dead on our ass!". Mixter was killed a few minutes before this and the Indigenous troops are nowhere to be seen. Also, it is during this time that Mitchel is carrying Lyn St Laurent as he is seriously wounded himself. They are fighting for for their lives. Pay special attention to the background noise when Plaster is talking. You can hear the twin engines screaming and an occasional burst of the four mounted M-60's. The continuos M-60 firing at the end is from the rescue Huey's doorgunners. One is firing one long string of 7.62 ammunition through his M-60 without stopping. It is still a very hot area. Here is the following code names/words that are used in this recording that may be of use to the listener. Hopefully this will make the following conversations easier to understand and follow. Here are some of these words: 1) Plasticman John Plaster's personal call sign while on a RT 2) White Lead Huey in charge of flying the rescue mission 3) Delta Papa Three John Plaster's call sign while flying as Covey Rider in Bronco 4) Tango Papa Pat Mitchels call sign as 1-0 5) Panthers AH-1G Cobras. Also known as "Cobra" 6) Kingbees H-34 Helicopters usually flown by Vietnamese pilots 7) Bravo Hotel Ben Het SF camp 8) Delta Tango FOB at Dak To 9) Foxtrot Mike FM radio frequency 10) Victor VHF radio frequency 11) Uniform UHF radio frequency 12) Straw Hat/Type Code name for American personel on a RT 13) Kilo November Known North. Position is "Kilo November" 14) Lurch David Mixter's personel call sign 15) Winchester Air assets that are out of ordnance Note: If any codenames/words are left out, they are unintentional. I ask that you either PM me or send a response to this thread with any question you may have. I will try and find out the answer and if I cannot, hopefully one of the SOG members here can respond to it. Any error(s) that may have occurred above are mine and only mine. I applogize a head of time for this. Note: From my point of view, one should listen to this if possible, in a dark and quiet room with no distractions. This way you can hear and understand most of the recording. This recording is dedicted to the greatest soldiers in the world, the men who wear the Green Beret. NOTE: For further information on this Prairie Fire x2, one should get "Secret Commandos, Behind Enemy Lines With The Elite Warriors Of SOG", By John L. Plaster

I predicted that response, along with some revolutions. :)

Indeed.

sounds like you're right then. I was looking at hijackers who asked for money and parachutes after cooper. A couple of international. Guy in italy who had his own parachute in his luggage (this was 1972). A bunch of them got shot. I suppose you could model the increase and then decrease of parachute+ransom hijacks as elliot wave? Here's another bizarre thing. Everyone's see the pic of the guy with the AR-15 at the political speech? (it's funny how the gun guys just decided, it was important to focus national attention on "open carry" now, as opposed to any other time) Predict the rate of AR-15's showing up at national political events. (Elliot Wave?) Interestingly it mirrors the Panthers doing open carries back in the '70s. I have this vision of 100 people with AR-15's at a rally. Someone takes a shot, or maybe something backfires, and all of a sudden everyone's opening up on everyone else. When the smoke clears, everyone realizes how dumb it was for 100 random people to show up with AR-15s in a public place.

Sturgeon's Law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_Law "90% of everything is crap"

I argued these same points endlessly as a student. My prof just laughed. I said: "people are not rats". He just laughed. It turned out on a statistical basis he was correct. People often are predictable... Law of large numbers. Predictable on the average, but no-one would go so far as to say you could predict every individual. Incidentally technical analysis is, at its basis, predicting human behaviour. I've seen someone use Elliot wave analysis to predict - correctly and right in front of me - the behaviour of people at a rock concert! free choice is limited in such a venue. It's easy to predict the behavior of prisoners in a prison also. Or people driving cars on a road. The problem is when you can convince large numbers to throw away the existing constraints. Just reject them. That's what causes unpredictable. The box gets thrown away and replaced by a different box. Predict the next revolution. Actually, that's more or less what it was... someone flashed the camera (which relayed to the screens) and then we went through a perfect EW cycle of women flashing for the camera. By wave 2 he said "that's the 2nd wave' then said what would happen in waves 3, 4 and 5 when it would end...and he was right. Hmm. interesting. But: you don't know much about the rate of flashing. What you know is the rate that the flashing was displayed on the video screen? So what you know more about is what the camera people thought the audience might like, and at what rates? Is the DJ reacting to the dancers? Or is the DJ controlling the dancers? Were people still flashing after the video stopped? Who knows.

I argued these same points endlessly as a student. My prof just laughed. I said: "people are not rats". He just laughed. It turned out on a statistical basis he was correct. People often are predictable... Law of large numbers. Predictable on the average, but no-one would go so far as to say you could predict every individual. Incidentally technical analysis is, at its basis, predicting human behaviour. I've seen someone use Elliot wave analysis to predict - correctly and right in front of me - the behaviour of people at a rock concert! free choice is limited in such a venue. It's easy to predict the behavior of prisoners in a prison also. Or people driving cars on a road. The problem is when you can convince large numbers to throw away the existing constraints. Just reject them. That's what causes unpredictable. The box gets thrown away and replaced by a different box. Predict the next revolution.

orange1 said "Georger, you can ask safe, but one of the reasons i didn't like micro much (apart from all the math )was because of the idea that you could express how people "should" behave in terms of a mathematical equation and assume all sorts of things on the basis of that.. so as you can gather i'd be sceptical that game theory (or any of construct) can tell us" there are other problems 1) A systems's ability to enforce the "rules" is always flawed. Game theory needs to take that into account. (think of flawed court systems; lax enforcement of stock market "rules", etc) 2) In reality there is no such thing as absolute standards for benefits to individuals. It's all relative. 3) It's always different in South Africa. 4) The best strategy is always the one that's not been modelled by anyone yet. Once it's modelled, it's predictable. A predictable strategy is no longer optimal, since others will try to take advantage of the prediction. See "the stock market". 5) The Ted Braden effect. Hetrick, a rational player, assumes any possible behavior for Braden is possible..i.e. Braden has superpowers relative to what Hetrick believes people normally expect from people. The thing is: is it a Braden effect, or a Hetrick effect? Can't tell, since it's all relative. No absolutes.

Bruce mentioned the Caravelle. attached is a photo taken at the rooftop bar of the Caravelle Hotel, circa '64-'67. 377 will like that the the guy in the photo was a radio DF analyst. 2nd photo is from the same time: "Rooftop view of Saigon, with spires of Notre Dame and national radio (?) tower in background"

georger said "interesting - self serving bastard just as I thought. People like that are still useful when turned." I might be misinterpreting what you wrote georger, but there's an interesting hypocrisy in what you wrote...which reminds me of the hypocrisy of the vietnam experience. A society that would think "People like that are still useful when turned" maybe deserves the cynicism and self-interest-only that Braden displayed. It's very Nixonian style thinking. (edit) I'm assuming you're implying "useful to the U.S."? Maybe you meant "useful to the people in his unit?"..I'd hate to be thought of as "useful" though. In the context of what was going on, Braden may have been exactly right. Remember, we don't know the full story on Braden yet. He was there, at the outset, at Leaping Lena. These other guys weren't. If we're right, Braden volunteered, young, for WWII. You can decry Braden the mercenary thinker. But the US was paying Nungs and Montagnards as mercenaries..not even bothering to remember all their names when they died. They were just Yards. Some probably still kids...less than 18. Me: I think I don't know Braden's story yet. I'm hoping Bruce can find it. When I look at those pictures of Braden demonstrating all the various turns and stuff, for skydiving, in '61. I have a hard time imagining him as the asshole. Maybe he was then also. I don't know. (edit) movie quote, Staying Alive "Who do you think you're dealing with? Some little groupie who jumps when you call, is this who you think I am? We met, we made it, what do you think it was, true love? And you say I used you but what about you using me? Everybody uses everybody, don't they?"

it would have been nice to ask Hetrick what he remembers of Braden's height and weight. We don't have an estimate on that yet.

Bruce said "Braden resigned his officer’s commission, Hetrick said, over a fuss over blousing dress blues with jump boots, or something like that." from my reading: Blousing is when you tuck the pants such that the boots are fully exposed. Cooper didn't blouse :) Different ways to do it I guess..from a forum: "In the Marine Corps, we used boot blousers. They're little elastic cords, or big metal springs if that's your style, that you hook together around your calf. You tuck your pant leg up into it from underneath; people have different ways of folding/managing excess trouser to get the proper amount of blousing and trouser length. Some people/organizations blouse the trousers around the upper of the boot, some just above the boottop. I think the Army does something different, involving the trouser actually being inside the boot, but I'm not sure exactly what the procedure is. If you don't have boot blousers available, a big rubber band can stand in; you just have to slip it over the boot from the toe (or over the boottop before you put it on). You can get blousers from a military exchange; I imagine they're available online somewhere, too." http://www.911jobforums.com/archive/index.php/t-52429.html

Bruce reported "“He was a piss-poor leader,” Hetrick said. “We did a lot of trail-walking,” From reading Plaster, this is my impression: Trail walking was bad because it increased your chances of running into NVA, since they used the trails. And "making contact" with NVA was generally a bad thing..you were supposed to gather intel, and once you made contact, it was all about evasion and getting away. (and probable firefight) It was harder to go thru the jungle, but safer. There were some accounts of a 1-0 actually taking his team on a fast march on a highway, in daylight, while being chased, which people really couldn't understand. But the added speed helped evasion. And the NVA didn't expect it. The 1-0 argued back, when told it was stupid: "Well I'm still here" The other problem with the trails, was that the NVA, once they found the RT team, would run down trails they knew, and get ahead of the team. While the poor RT team would be running thru the bush.

I LOVE IT BRUCE. Hetrick looks like the corporate man in the photo from the dinner I posted. But I knew he was bad ass, from his recon days. I love that an old guy can still talk straight, and say exactly what he thinks! Excellent!. These guys were no-bullshit, and they're still no-bullshit.

We may have seen this shot already, but it shows the stairs in front, and the car that the guy used to deliver the money? from http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=3moRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=7uADAAAAIBAJ&pg=6370,6223309&dq=rain+parachute "A hijacked Northwest Airlines 727 jetliner sits on a runway for refueling at Seattle Tacoma International Airport Wednesday night. The hijacker, who claimed he had a bomb, allowed the passengers to deplane down the ramp. An airlines employee in the car at left delivered $200,000 and four parachutes to the hijacker before the plane took off for Reno, Nev." picture attached. It's good for seeing how close the car approached 305.