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Jo said "when we found him no one wanted to examine the orfices" See the thing I can't understand, is that I can't picture that the plan was "First we dig up the dog, then we examine the orifices" Did someone articulate the orifice plan before the digging commenced, or did you make that up? I'm starting to see Jerry's point. The orifice issue doesn't make sense.

By my look, Rex Jaco was about 36 years old in 1971. Be good for Bruce to get a better confirmation. Now explain to me why the FBI would be talking to someone 36 years old? I thought Ckret said they were really positive on the age from the witnesses. He wouldn't budge on that when I pressed it. I wonder how many people in their 30s were interviewed? Are half of the 1000+ list

Because every answer needs a question. Doesn't matter the order. If the answer is given, then the question has to be asked to complete the couplet. Otherwise the universe becomes unbalanced, and we spin off into a black hole. "He who shall jump the jet Shall always live to take the bet"

Three full pairs of shoes are visible in the first attached picture. The two on the right are frenchies. You can tell by the thick sole, right? The leftmost pair has thinner soles. Not the same. What kind of shoe is it? another try possibly is the second pic. The guy's shoes in between the two women wearing white. (black jumpsuit legs with diagonal strip/zipper?) What kind of shoe? Hint: These are not professionals. They're Golden Knights.

Failure is not an option Page 221 http://books.google.com/books?id=bUHgkLz10aIC&pg=PA221#v=onepage&q=&f=false My greatest fear approaching launch day was that I would lose one or more of my books. To assure that they were easy to find, I used pictures of various striking young women from the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition for all my book covers. The controllers knew about my book covers and, if one were missing, this virtually guaranteed a prompt return. I went back and forth daily between the office and Mission Control with my four large distinctively covered volumes under my arms. Title: Failure Is Not an Option: Mission Control from Mercury to Apollo 13 and Beyond Author: Gene Kranz Publisher: Simon and Schuster, 2001 ISBN 0743214471, 9780743214476

which one? I made a bunch of comments. You mean executions? We can start talking about that if you want.

Here's how: Most people are not Jo! Most people know weak vs strong evidence! Most US Citizens have half a brain! No one is going to get executed because of Flight 305! You claim about many executions being erroneous is not supported by data! I will be responsible for all executions caused by this thread! They're due to me! This thread reaches 10 million people in the world! Not! Just one woman (well 2 if you count Jo! 3 if you count Shelly!).

Remember when we were in the Golden Knights back in the day, and almost everyone had the Right Hand Outboard Pull mod... man, that plus we had women too! (pic attached) from http://flightability.bizland.com/page2.htm Thanks to the orange-colored-1. I see a couple right hand pulls in the first photo. (at least 3? possibly all the men???) Correct me if I'm wrong. More left hand (inboard) pulls visible in the second...but you can see the mix in both. Women in the pic all have left hand pulls? Plus Check the Dude on the right in the first pic. He's more Cooperish than Duane! Funny!

So you're thinking that people who have evidence on who Dan Cooper was, hear Jo's story and think "Oh it was Duane Weber, I must just be mistaken" Sounds like they would have pretty weak evidence. What people are you talking about? I thought the latest documentary never mentioned Duane. Most accounts I read just mention Duane as a host of wannabees..Gossett etc. In fact, you're probably the only person on the planet that engages Jo on this! (edit) I think a bigger percentage of people talk about McCoy, because the FBI guys talked him up. (edit) Oh Jerry: if there are any questions about my sources, like if you talk to Himmelsbach, be sure to put in a word for Snowmman Industries. Sure we have overwhelming market share globally right now, but these things can turn against you in a second (witness Blackwater)..so we always need a good plug in high places. Plus our prices are dropping! Labor Day is just around the corner.

I've been trying to tease sentences out of Google Books on the Ramparts article..they don't allow preview, but I can get little snippets..(I use secret Google ju-jitsu here...get a couple words at a time...patience is a virtue).. example snippet used to assemble stuff below: http://books.google.com/books?lr=&as_brr=0&q=intensive+psychological+intitle%3ARamparts&btnG=Search+Books&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=1967&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=1968 these sentences were maybe prescient: Ramparts History - 1967 Page 22 Braden was almost a pioneer of the form and was recruited to help bring at least two Vietnamese to some level of expertise for the mission.. Braden is among those professionals who appear to have a secret death wish, coupled with well-trained instincts for survival. He continually places himself in unnecessary danger but always manages to get away with it. At one time he was forbidden to free-fall for violating safety regulations. The rules state a jumper must pull and be in the saddle before he reaches 2000 feet. Braden makes a habit of waiting until he is well below 1000 feet. Falling at 174 feet a second, if his main chute malfunctioned and he pulled his reserve, he would have to run the last hundred feet to get it open. .. ... was chained to a stanchion and we were in the air on the first leg of my return to the USA. A waiting sedan whisked me to the Fort Dix stockade where I was ... For three and a half days I was subjected to intensive psychological interrogation. Why did you desert from Vietnam? What are the names of everyone you've... to spend the next 123 days and 14 hours in solitary confinement

Okay I'm no psychologist, Jo, but I think the way your brain processes stuff is off the median of the curve. i.e. just different than the median. It may affect the way you see linkages..i.e you're used to remembering things other people don't, and seeing things that other people don't see. So you've gained confidence that you can see linkages that other people don't, because in other situations, you have. It's actually a good thing to forget things. Frees the mind up to do other things. Human's ability to forget is as important to their evolution as their ability to remember. There's no good way for you to be wrong, unless someone else is proved to be Cooper. That's the most likely way your situation gets resolved. I think that's why we kind of don't pay attention. Probability says the Duane option is the least likely resolution of this thing. (edit) same can be said for some other suspects. I still can't figure out why Jerry bothers arguing with Jo. It seems to take credibility away from his other arguments.

On the trip with Duane, or the trip where you met Jerry, I'm curious about your memory. You have an amazing memory. Do you remember where you ate breakfast each day? What you ordered? Who paid the bill? I'm just wondering about the limits of memory here, and what things got remembered and which didn't. What kind of shoes were you wearing?

there were some details in the babelfish Der Spiegel translation, but I'll post when I get the original article. It is a curious issue. I'm also curious about how he spent 123 days in solitary in Fort Dix, with jump experience, in 1966, and he never showed up on a "let's find out where this guy is" list in 1971. Even though they know he got released. I thought they checked jail stuff. Did they not check military jail stuff??? Maybe he didn't use enough foul language for Himmelsbach? Maybe Sluggo is lying and Braden was investigated? What about Rex Jaco? Is Bruce "the guy who gives good phone" going to find out what the FBI asked Jaco when they "interrogated" him? When and where? What's it like to get FBI interrogation? Do they give you candy?

Duane, Jo and Jerry plan a plane hijack. They never pull it off, getting arrested arguing with each other at the gate, about who didn't pay their full share of a diner breakfast bill 18 years ago. The arresting agent is promoted to Special Agent, because of his exemplary work in breaking the case. A new Division of Homeland Security is created to try to emulate such investigative success.

I would add, just so it doesn't appear like 377 is a cad, that Braden appears to have died in 2007, maybe no family. There are more details if people need memories jogged. In any case, it'd be good to understand Braden's story. It's not fully told anywhere.

I think you're safe. Just make sure for the rest of your life, that you're always the last one out, never use a rig that anyone else has ever touched, always jump with 3 reserves carry a weapon, on every jump, and say you do it to make the difficulty more like the SF guys. oh...and you can't drink any beers anyone buys for you, any more. I think the hookers are still okay. Not sure.

Gee Snow, you don't read and remember everything I post either??? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3605972;search_string=golden%20knights;#3605972 ("he" being William Edge) Good stuff Orange1. hey, so from what I'm reading, at least in 1961, the Golden Knights were not the only team representing US Army in world competition in 1961. I read an account of I think the Scottish 1961 competition, where the US military arrived with their own plane, allowing them to go to 10,000 feet (forget what plane) while everyone else was constrained to 7,000 ft jumps. Have we been fed incomplete history with respect to the Golden Knights? I know they did "something" between 1959-1961..see the video I posted. they became "more official?" in 1961? well the Golden Arrows were formed in 1959 too. What is this: was it like the Beatles vs the Rolling Stones? hey did you catch those early Golden Knights jackets? The embroidered big "Golden Knights" in script on the back reminded me of motorcycle club jackets.

I think it's interesting Braden was US Army. he was there around the time of the beginning of the Golden Knights. He was there at the birth of SOG in Laos (Leaping Lena) I wonder if Duncan got him to write the Ramparts article. Did anyone stay in touch with Braden after Vietnam? Did Duncan? What about old jumping buddies? Did Braden ever jump again after Vietnam? Did people assume he died? Did he not contact anyone?

377 said "What is it? Devil worship? Child abuse?" If you walk in the woods by my house a ways, all of a sudden there's a clearing, and there's stones set in what appears to be concentric circles but actually create a single circular spiraling pathway... at the center, there's a pile of various voodoo-like charms..dolls, stones, crystals, a mylar balloon, small pieces of wood, various trinkets etc. Like people go there and walk the path, and then leave an offering of some kind. I was going to take a picture to post here, maybe with a Norjak book on the pile of voodoo charms. I'm always spooked when I go there. Have never seen anyone else. I also get nervous when I walk over the stones to get to the center. I'm thinking bad things happen if you don't take the time to fully follow the spiraling path.. It's worse if it's starting to get dark when I'm there. I try to keep track of the objects to see if more are appearing, but can't quite tell. They're all weatherbeaten.

Hi Am interested in information about the Golden Arrow Sports Parachute Club, circa 1959-1962. Was formed by members of the 8th Infantry Division, but open to military outside the unit. It's interesting because it was formed around 1959, around when Golden Knights was being formed. ('59-'61?) My understanding is that the Golden Arrow club fielded members in competitions in Europe at the time. Two pics attached. Anyone out there familar with this club or US military competition going on at that time? (say in Europe)

The GBU-49 is a laser-guided, 500-pound bomb, but now with GPS guidance. The MQ-9 is a larger Predator (UAV), with a 950-shaft-horsepower turboprop engine. As of 2009, USAF has 28 Reapers (MQ-9). Snowmman Industries: undisclosed. photo attached. A nice summary of all current UAV's is at http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app2/index.html (edit) Skynet gains sentience shortly after it is placed in control of all of the U.S. military's weaponry. When they realize that it has become self-aware, and what the computer control is capable of, the human operators try to shut the system down. It retaliates and believes humans are a threat to its existence, it then employs humankind's own weapons of mass destruction in a campaign to exterminate the human race.

I noticed Stars and Stripes has a service where they probably can get me better copies of the articles. I'm not sure any of them had great photos of Ted. The extensive jump position photos, Ted was wearing goggles. Did everyone look at the Stars and Stripes stuff I posted? Surprised I got no feedback other than Jerry talking about how people are afraid of Jo. Reprint services Stars and Stripes provides photocopies of archived articles for $10. Additional articles published in the same calendar month are $3. Photo reproduction Reproductions of Stars and Stripes staff photographs are available through Pictopia. Photos not currently featured in our galleries are available by special request.

If this Ted Braden really did enlist in Jan 1944, then I'm wondering if it's possible the Ted Braden referenced here in this account from WWII could be the same guy? I guess you'd have to go thru bootcamp, and get shipped overseas. Could that happen in 10-11 months? It was the 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, which got me thinking... http://secondbattalion501.blogspot.com/2007/01/1945-moving-forward_05.html Second Battalion 501st PIR at Bizory, Belgium December 1944 through January 1945 The following is this author’s description of the flow of events and action as experienced by the men of Second Battalion, 501 Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division beginning on the 18 December 1944 and ending on 15 January 1945. .... A fellow Easy trooper, Ted Braden, would crawl out to the listening post alone just after sundown. He knew that by the time he was settled into the listening post two German soldiers would be making their way as quietly as possible from tree to tree along the farm track to their listening post only a few dozen feet away. The Germans always sent two men to such an outpost for they knew one soldier might be tempted to make his way to the American lines and give himself up. Men on listening outpost duty frequently heard snoring from their German counterparts.

hey Jo, at least for me, I discredited your story long before Jerry showed up. Why give Jerry a hard time about something that's not true...(Doesn't matter what Jerry thinks or says, in terms of your story and whether I believe it) Jerry doesn't need to say anything. I guess he does for whatever reason, but I don't think anyone is going to be swayed by anything Jerry says. There's nothing to your story. Pretty simple. It's fine for you to believe it though. Doesn't bother me either way. (edit) I guess I'm scratching my head wondering why you would think I would listen to Jerry about Duane. I barely listen to Jerry about anything! :)

Hi Jerry, yeah thanks for the reply you said "Not realy much to share . Just a bunch of nightmares involving the vietnam conflict and the fact that that war is still killing people do to agent orange cancer and the fact the only way you new who the enemy was . was when you were being shot at Let's not forget the restriction's placed on us inregards to lethal engagement." I've had limited contact with Vietnam vets, but I've found that if you can get them to say 10 words, there's usually 10,000 words that ain't never going to come out...probably for good reason. I think of that when you bury a little sentence in the middle of your posts...and wonder..just what all is in Jerry's mind on this? I was thinking the SOG guys had one advantage, if you could call it that. They even said it..when they crossed the fence, it was like they were the VC. Anyone they saw in Laos was a bad guy. So they could shoot first. They were the ones sneaking up, rather than vice versa. I've not read much about the stuff going on in South Vietnam. Some stuff on some armored divisions protecting roads. I've not read much about any of the big battles. I guess some big ones where bases where attacked. There's a book out I saw that tries to be a complete history. I'd be curious about what the "plan" was. I guess if you're there, you want to trust your leaders. I suspect that was hard to do at times. Sometimes I read stuff, and it seems like there was no workable plan..like we got caught up in Vietnam, and someone decided just send more people and stuff, and that's when they realized that wasn't going to work well, and the whole treating the ARVN as peers etc didn't work. I don't know. Haven't really read enough. (edit) Oh and sometimes I think of the possiblity of someone from Vietnam reading this today. And obviously there's a whole nother perspective that we should acknowledge. A lot of vietnamese got killed. We should always acknowledge this site has a global reach...not just US..all with different opinions on what went down there.