Coreece
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Ya, I doubt it's likely to have another outbreak like this within the next 5 years.
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Source? Dude, really? It was all over the news. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/13/department-homeland-security-outlines-new-process-americans-returning-certain
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Because the leaders tasked with implementing the plan are incompetent. The administration is now staffed almost exclusively by incompetent people with only displaying loyalty to Trump mattering. Well, the next time this happens Trump likely won't be in office to blame. We wouldn't even need to worry about screening an influx of 100+ thousand of travelers if they would all just go directly to quarantine.
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There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998
Coreece replied to rushmc's topic in Speakers Corner
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That was supposed to be the plan this time. People were to be routed through 10-15 airports with medical facilities that would screen passengers and then direct them to self quarantine. Problem was that the system got backed up, not everyone got screened and there is no accounting for any quarantining.
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Might be just me, but Trump doesn't stop doing something because of a little pushback. It's a serious issue. You'd essentially be deciding to leave fellow citizens behind to die in another country against the will of the people.
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Actually, New Zealand is doing that now. I just think you'd get a ton of pushback in the U.S. Even after it was announced a pandemic people here were still arguing that the travel ban itself was excessive.
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But just to clarify. Would you have been ok with a more forceful communistic approach? Would you have been ok with denying citizens entry from abroad?
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Damn olof, lol. Good one!
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Wow, that's a lot of hypotheticals. My bad. By the left I mean Phil. . . .and normiss. Maybe a few others. . .
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I doubt it would've changed much regardless since the poll is likely comprised of people that either think Trump can do no wrong or that he can do no good. If we had some of the lowest numbers due to Trump shutting down the entire country back in Jan or Feb before we even knew if and how it would really affect us, the left would've been saying "it's just a power grab from some communist dictator wannabe trying to destroy our democracy and take credit for stopping a disease that never would've made it across the Atlantic in the first place - and even if it did, it would've just went to zero like all the other outbreaks. I mean the flu is even deadlier for pete's sake! This is just another xenophobic excuse to keep brown people out of the country!"
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Just to be clear, I'm talking about the case fatality rate (deaths/diagnosed cases) vs the crude mortality rate. (deaths/population) And while density can affect both, it seems a higher CFR would speak more to possible deficiencies in the overall health of a population and/or the level of treatment they receive.
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China is an outlier, we don't know wtf is going on over there. Density is most obviously a factor, but it's only one factor who's effect is dependent upon many others already mentioned in this thread. I'd speculate infections of nursing homes and older population demographics V. other countries. But in the other thread you posted an article that said the U.S, France, Belgium and the Netherlands were the ones that were rectifying the issue with underreporting and that it was the U.K that was still not counting nursing home deaths. (tho that article was from a few weeks ago)
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Any thought on why areas like the U.K and France have covid fatality rates that are twice as high as the world average?
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I'm really sorry to hear that nigel. FWIW, perhaps it would help by not going into this thinking it has destroyed his life. The anxiety and depression from all that has already led to impulsive behavior with possible long term consequences, and you don't want to get caught in a vicious cycle (whether in the criminal justice system or your social/professional life) where it becomes some type of self fulfilling prophesy. His life might become more difficult from this point forward, and some opportunities may be lost, but it's certainly not destroyed. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys had something similar to the U.S where one pleads guilty, but it's placed under advisement. After satisfying the terms of probation, the charges would be dropped and the case dismissed. But even if it's not, it's not the end of the world. . .this too shall pass. (sorry to be so cliche)
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Completely correct. It has a population density of 97 per sq KM and the US has 94 per square mile. So 2.6 times as dense Now Coreece knows this of course. Duh, I just said that the main difference was that the U.S isn't as dense as Europe. That doesn't negate other simalarities that contribute to the spread of covid. Also, are you just going to ignore my question, or can you not find a more comparable region?
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I was thinking it terms of Italian families in the U.S being as touchy-feely as Italians in Italy. And yes, the Schegen area is about 400+ Million and the US 300+ Million, not exact but better than comparing it to a country with 300+ thousand or whatever. The main difference is that the U.S isn't as dense as Europe.
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Oh come on I expect more and better from you. Maybe you can do better? Can you think of a better geographical region that shares more similarity to the contiguous U.S than the Schengen area in terms of population, culture, travel, level of tourism, etc.? Because that's your problem, Phil. You start with the U.S and then compare it to some cherry pick countries with the lowest raw numbers, lol. It'd be nice if you were honest enough to start with the U.S and at least attempt to find similar regions to compare it to, and then run the numbers - especially if you're going to start drawing conclusions from the raw data. And I'm not saying that you can't compare the U.S to smaller countries, it's just that it'd be nice to discuss reasons for various disparities other than, "because Trump."
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China population 1.393 billion. That would be a "raw number" Right, so China is an example where we can compare the raw numbers to show how the U.S didn't fair as well. However, even if China had 200,000 deaths and the U.S had 75,000 deaths, The U.S still wouldn't be fairing as well. You'd have to compare rates before even attempting to draw conclusions. Also, something tells me you would've had a problem with Trump treating the people/states like a communist dictator, especially if it was before cases even started showing up in the U.S. Or, here's an idea, you could just look on the internet and see that both SK and Australia have lover death rates. If you want to start combining countries, I'd say the entire Schengen area is more comparable to the contiguous U.S - and the last I checked, (about 3 weeks ago) they had a death rate that was about 2 times higher. (most likely due to higher population density)
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Generally because they have more people. By far. Yeah, like the idiots that don't know the difference between rates and raw numbers & the trolls that deliberately ignore it.
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Hi Sky, You always refer to him as Sky, but doesn't Dekker just sound cooler? I mean look at his avatar, that could be the face of a new TV crime drama, Dekker - CSIS Toronto
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Birds of a feather. . .
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How about Clinton AND Trump? Two negatives make a positive and all that jazz. . . . . .not sure if Trump is into jazz music tho.
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Sorry. I thought your first name was Marc. He's Mark, the narc.
