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Sorry No more posting for me for a while. But what do I know?

If you can't afford medical care or medicine, you don't do as well as those who can. Next question: Why are starving people so skinny? But what do I know?

He talked about what 'death panels' really are about. Not the way they were portrayed by detractors of reform. Here is my idea for health care reform: Grab all the opium in Afganastan and stockpile it. When the health care system fails, give people enough smak to ease their last days. Hey, maybe that war is useful for something after all. But what do I know?

I thought it would be harder. If you have the cash you can be wingsuit flying in one year. I agree it's not easy though. But what do I know?

So what? If people like to do it, who are you to piss on their parade? There are many things to do in the air that I don't choose to do, but other people like. I see no need to try and take away their enjoyment, but you seem to be trying to generate negativity and make people angry. I think the one with a mental disease is you. I feel sorry for you. But what do I know?

Yes, that's their story, however, this laptop was not lost or stolen. But what do I know?

Yes please, the reason a D license is required for awards. Thanks But what do I know?

I hope you don't shoot animals in National Parks. Maybe a big cat or bear, to save your life, but a rattlesnake? I've seen a lot of animals killed, but never in self defense. Once again, I know it happens occationally, but not when I've been around. But what do I know?

No conflict in those statements. Of course there is a conflict, if you are of the opinion that the only reason anyplace is safe it because of police and armed militia such as yourself. I believe that the vast majority of people are good and honest. The ones that are not do not seem to have become honest, in spite of the police state we live in now. Just as I did not deny that guns sometimes are used correctly for a good purpose, I will not deny that cops sometimes do help people. It just happens that I haven't seen it myself. But what do I know?

I'm not one. I've never had cops do anything good for me. I'm sorry for those that feel so under attack that they need to carry a gun. I don't. I go where I please, and if I get in trouble, what's the worst that can happen? I think I'd rather live out the rest of my life without killing anybody; I've made it this far. In a way I feel safer with some people walking around packing, both cops and good guys, but again the scales are pretty even for me. Good guys miss too. I thought the owner's license was a good idea, but I really don't care. It does seem pretty crazy like it is, but I don't think my idea would solve all the problems either. One more anecdote for ya: A guy put a gun in my face once and asked me if I had any money. I told him no, but I'd sure give him some if I did. He said ok, never mind. No pee ran down my leg, and I didn't call the cops either. But what do I know?

I'm with you Nick. It seems like anymore it's worth stopping the whole world to save one life. Guess what: That person is gonna die anyway. Whether it's tomorrow or 50 years from now isn't all that important in the big scheme of things. It's what you do in the meantime that's important, I think. Cowrering under a rock isn't a life anyway. Pssst, you think we might be preaching to the choir here? But what do I know?

Why? >>> Uh, hopefully to prevent accidents and stupid shit. IE: A guy, not a felon, just an idiot, shoots a bottle in my living room. Should he be thrown in jail? Maybe. Should he lose his license to own a gun, at least for a while? I think yes. Offer the training at point-of-sale, then. >>> Great. Help them get their license too. So, if there was a free speech incident in the home, do you think it would be appropriate to expect the owner to be able to show a license to speak? >>> Heck yes. I keep mine one up from my platnum credit card with no limit that I never have to pay. It's happened before, so I can understand why gun owners don't want that info released. >>> Me too, thus my concentration on the individual, not the gun. Does that ring any bells? Other than the fact that GCA '68 and the Brady laws ALREADY cover that? I guess. I'm just looking for a new approach. I guess I'm pretty pro gun when it comes down to it, but just not enough to ignore the many problems that they cause. But what do I know?

Yes, If they are caught with a gun and don't have one, wouldn't that make it easier to either arrest them or take it away from them? As for the issue of needing one for a gun kept in the home, why not require one for that too? I'm just talking about some basic safety training. If there were a gun incident in the home, I think it would be appropriate to expect the owner to be able to show a license to own a gun. It seems the big fear about any of this is the govt making a list of guns so they can go get them one day. Just having an owner's license would not necessarily indicate someone even owned one, only that they could. Should they prove unqualified to own a gun and then got caught with one, that would be grounds for punishment in itself. Is there a problem with that? But what do I know?

Hopefully, simplify things. Cop sees somebody with a gun: "You got a license to own a gun?" Yes officer, right here alongside my drivers license. "Ok, fine" Cop finds a gun on some punk gangbanger, asks the same thing, "No." Then he's in trouble. I submit that the form you mention is really more intrusive, and gives the govt. a better chance of rounding up the guns than a simple owner's license. Anybody that wanted to own or shoot guns could easily get one, howver, they would have to show some needed responsibility get one, by having some instruction, and to keep it, by not screwing up. But what do I know?

No. I'm talking about owners. What guns they may or may not have is their own business. I understand the registering all guns problem and am not going there - just requiring an individual to have a license if they are going to own a gun. I wouldn't make it that hard or expensive to get one, but if somebody screwed up it could be revoked. But what do I know?

I'm all for the govt. keeping out of my house for sure. I would extend the license requirement to all gun owners, however. If an incident arose where a gun was misused, say little Jimmy gets ahold of daddy's gun and pops a few caps. First, I think daddy should show a license to have that, (or any,) gun, or face a fine; next, I think that it should be taken away from him. Want to own a gun, fine, in fact I'm glad there are folks like you among us, packing. When a criminal with a gun gets shot, I don't shed any tears about it. I can shoot, and was in the army. I don't need guns around so far, and hope it stays that way. But what do I know?

Yes, not disagreeing with that. I'm sure you'll agree that a lot of screw ups happen too? I was asking about on a personal level. Have you known people that shot muggers or something. How about shooting accidents? I related a few that I know about from real life. As the OP shooting indicates they certainly work out well in some cases. If just happens that I haven't known anybody to ever have a gun when they might have used it properly. I've never needed one to save me. Like I said, I'm not trying to take anybody's guns away, but am laying it on the table that they do cause a lot of grief, and perhaps some form of control might be in order. But what do I know?

Yep, I've used the happy meal ones and they work fine. Those seem to be the only ones I can't lose. But what do I know?

In my personal life, outside of war, I don't know anybody that has used a gun for anything good, but have known personally several people killed or involved in gun killings. Be honest, have you known of gun incidents gone bad in your life? What is the ratio of 'ritchous' kills to others, not so good? I ask everybody, not to ban guns, but just to challange the notion that they are overwhelmingly positive to scociety. Also, how do you feel about licensing gun owners? But what do I know?

Really? For all his rants, I don't see him saying that. But what do I know?

This is your opinion, shared by many. You present a well reasoned argument for gun freedom. For you the scales are heavily tilted in one direction, and the anecdotal evidence like this story support your beliefs. I think you tend to ignore negative anecdotes, like gun owners shooting the wrong person, or themselves, which are just as common, if not more so. I hate to think of the life I would live after doing that, or having the thing go off and kill a family member. Yeah all you experts out there would never allow a gun to just go off. Never mind. I've had friends that overindulged in alcohol a time or two, and have a few good anecdotes myself. Stuff I was pretty close to. John: 45 automatic in his back pocket. Shot his wallet off his ass. Just a scratch. Mark: This one was bad. Killed girlfriend, her other boyfriend and himself. Drunk. Another John: He was the other boyfriend. Not the same incident, but the same result. 3 dead. Forget his name: 2 MP's at a post I was at, playing quick draw with 45's, One shot in heart. Not to mention quite a few near misses and stupid shit, like the time a tequila bottle in my living room got blasted with a well placed .38 - Guilty of being empty. The killer escaped before my wife got her hands on him... lucky for him! So I see the other side quite clearly. Less guns would probably be better overall. The scales are pretty even for me as to just how good they are. Having said that, I don't want to ban guns. Anecdotes like the one posted here make it worthwhile to let the good guys have guns, in my mind. I feel sad for the collateral damage though, and can not ignore it. Some control is called for. So JohnRich, what do you think of the idea of a gun license program like this: Get training and prove competence; if you want to own a gun, get a license. Bad guys can't get one. Stupid guys can lose them. Get caught with a gun and you don't have a license, get in trouble. See the point? Not the gun, the individual. But what do I know?

I was commenting on the fact that most of the responses in the thread came from yourself. To see if I care or not I'll have to read through it. I'll get back to you on that. But what do I know?

What's wrong, no nibbles? Wrong bait dude. Nobody cares. But what do I know?

That made me laugh. Good one. But what do I know?

I don't think so. I understand the point that this 'rule' can be enforced just as effectively by threat of a lawsuit, which was the original point of the thread. But what do I know?