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Excuse Me! Would you lilke to hear a recording of that conversation? My answering machine was picking up before I grabbed the phone. Also, WHY? did the FBIi NOT test that DNA until the end of 2007 and in early 2008. REMEMBER -I have the FBI report they accidentally leftt in the box with the DNA when it was returned to me in March of 2008. Again Orange this has been stated in the other forum and this forum. I do not want to post, but statements like the last two cause me to have to defend myself. Ask Ckret. ALL of this should be in HIS file on Duane and Cooper. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

That is not true - WHY did they call me OUT OF THE BLUE in late 2002 asking for his DNA. I had things I needed to take care of and told Agent Hope he would have to wait as I had wait a long time on them. The DNA was collected on Mar. 27 2003. Orange I will remind you that I have answered this before from you or someone else in both treads. I am sure Ckrets FBI file will verify what I have just told. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Correction: "If Duane was Not Cooper" - You left out the most important part. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Okay you guys win. I am not good with the words or making myself understood. Seeing all that was written I realize that no one understood what I was saying and there is nothing I can do about this. All I was trying to do was point out that Ckret made very obvious errors which many of you have commented on in the past...and have corrected him. I admitted that I know nothing about all of the things regarding the prediction of the landing zone and said so. I also mentioned that it seemed to be the right thing to do. In my simple mind and uneducated in such matters as flight pattern I made suggestions that seem logical to me, but Sluggo, you have made me aware that the pilot is not the one to talk to. I was not slamming anyone - and if I did I AM SORRY. I will be going to WA in Oct if my health permits - I will try to walk the areas he took me to, but some are no longer there. I sent Cret a couple of private emails therefore he should have understood where I was coming from. Not one word was said about Duane being Cooper in the post that has been criticized - I thought I was trying to help like everyone else...but dumb old me just says all the wrong words. I still do not understand why the FBI --- 1. Was able to loose the cigarette butts. 2. Not able to find the hotel report regarding the night clerk 3. Not able to find the report from the FBI agents who interviewed someone from Jefferson Prison who claimed to know who Cooper was. 4. Not able to identify the individuals who Duane was involved with for the crime that sent him to Jefferson (two other men). 5. Claimed that the print Master file was made using 1944 prints from Weber.....show me the proof. 6. Never interviewed or investigated the man who threatened me - when I all I did was tell him what Duane told me before he died. No details. The man was very disturbed by what Duane had said. 7. Cannot tell me why a 17 yr, 6 time looser would be given a Commutation of Sentence with no attached files. 8. Is unable to produce the prison files for John C. Collins with prints from that incarceration. So I will never know if I can't find out on my own. Only because of what I do know do I find the above things important - that it is all linked together and that the answers to the above will provide the connection the FBI needs. The items listed above are not - I said or he said - but things that can and should have in my opinion have been investigated in 1967. The only way to address these things is in a formal letter to the FBI and others and not in the forum. If Duane was not Cooper then he knew who was - otherwise my life with Duane was one big hallucination. Its been a Helluv Ride! So Long. P.S. I will post the rest of the pics that Snowmman asked for, but other than that I will limit my posts to a couple of times a wk. if the subject matter warrants it and if I have been asked a question. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Guys, Ckret is FBI and when he is working or on his own time he represents the FBI and should act accordingly. He should not make quesses about a case to the public and if he does make a quess or propose a theory he should first state what the case file says and identify that as such and then state his theory and identify that as such. He apologized for posting Duane's record on the forum as the information had never been given to me. That night I wanted to truely wanted to die. I had been unable to inform my family members before this was exposed - this was NOT right. I expect him to be very careful about posting because he is a FBI agent and should at all times behave like one - on the job and off the job when it comes to the information available. The mistakes he made cause me to wonder how qualified our federal agencies are. He has taken the corrections in a good manner, but some should never have been made and are very elementary... Such as the position of Bill the co-pilot. I do not care that the forum is reworking the fight path. I also realize that the technology of today makes it feasible to do this, but when in question about certain things on these reports the information should be verified if at all possible. The added minute that is in doubt - turn or no turn - Radazcek would know the answer to that one. I have suggested that someone in the forum contact him - Ckret should be that person and tell him he is calling on a personal basis and what he is doing. Ask for help from those who are still able to help. I do not believe the co-pilot who is retired uses a computer, but I am sure he would be willing to help if he knew what was going on and help get the information correct. Take the points that are the most important that seem to give variance to the fight path and ask him to sit down in person with someone who has the knowledge (such as Sluggo) and clean up the information we have had made accessible to us by the FBI. Ckret is not the one to sit down with him - as he is not knowledgable of the that material any more than I am. Get the ducks in a row with correct information because our ducks are dying off real fast. Otherwise this can be debated till the end of time. So much progress has been made by the forum recently and having first hand information may bring this case to a close. Pin pointing the drop is of utmost. I am all for this analysis. One minute is imperative - turn or no turn. The time they thought Cooper jumped - think about this guys with the correct imformation from the co-pilot and what is being done on the forum - I see an end to this case coming. Do it so NO one can tear it apart and that has to be done with 1st hand knowledge and todays technology. The one and two minute thing you guys are playing with can be given 1st hand now - but a yr from now that might not be available...from the only man living who can answer the question. Please do not send Ckret - send one of our very good techies - I believe there are three of them..I do not know who is the most qualified. I will put in $100. to help with the expense. How many of you are willling to help send one of these guys to talk to Bill the co-pilot. I am sure Ckret could set the meeting up. I am not sure the engineer is still alive. . Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Too Much Guess work in that statement - like the artist who did a drawing for a book that was published about Cooper. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

4) Is there anything about Cooper’s altitude request that strikes you as “odd” or “improper”? He requested 10,000 feet. (Whether he stated MSL, AGL or didn’t specify is lost at this time.) If your answer is “yes,” Please explain (in detail). The plane would NOT be pressurized - no oxygen needed and the door would open easier and at 10,000 there are certain things you can see - even with a cloud cover. There are things that can be done at 10,000 that will let the jumper know where he is without expensive or heavy equipment. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Exactly and this has been stated before and you are coming full circle. Dead on. Only one person fits all of the criteria - Duane Weber. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I don't understand the data and it is all mumbo jumbo to me I just know how to read a map and what I saw. The data you all are compiling may well enforce my story rather than discredit it. I am talking about CKRETS - statements that the money landed in the Columbia and that Cooper splased. I have not opened the maps and all of those things you guys are posting - they may be dead on to what I have been saying. I do not have have the time or knowledge to open these things. I am not allowing my mind to be poisoned by things I don't understand. All I understand are real maps on paper - it is very difficult for me on a computer. I have to see the whole picture and over lay that onto the areas he took me to. It could be that all of this lines up. I have not changed the route and never will. I have old black and white maps from 1979 - because they are the closest to what I would have been looking at. These maps do not show much in the way of small roads and is only a photo copy of a bigger map. Most of the roads are not named or numbered. Do any of you live in my area who has down loaded all of this and could meet with me and let me show them my maps first and then show me what you guys are talking about? What if we are on the same page and in the same chapter, but my lack of knowledge is hindering me? I don't know where Vancouver Lake is but I know where Lake LaCames is and what lies N. W. of it going toward Battleground (not to Battleground)and that is the area I am talking about. An area above a big loop with on name on the map. I just know what Ckret posts Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Again no one really listens or reads what I have said. There is a place he walked out of the woods - very far from where he landed. How many times do I have to explain that he fell someplace near a set of track - and followed a light thur some woods to a firetower where he buried something behind a shed. Then it was just a short walk to a road...at a place that the power lines and pipe lines intersect. That he had to go East to get our of any possible place they might look for him - he knew the lines and where they went (maybe he help build them - I don't know). At another place more lines intersected and it was at this point that we were in a orchard - a clearing and he pointed to the N.W. and said I couldn't see them but yrs before that you could walk for miles along those lines before the undergrowth was there. It was from this point that he goes to the creek and follows the creek South to where it comes out at a place that used to have cabins used by fishermen. This is the point he made that statement - but Cooper knew where he was and where he was going after he found the tower and the road - he knew the lines. You are taking the point he made that statement completly out of realm. If you could see the places and go with me to these places you would understand exactly what I am trying to say. The place he landed near and the area where the tower was is now what is called ranchettes in Fl. They are long narrow pieces of land with homes fronting on the road. I know about where the towers where and I have always wanted to know who owned that land in 1971 and when was it cleared and when did they remove the tower and shed. It is ridiculous that you take one statement without reading the entire thing. We went to the last places first - do you understand this. I don't know ;how to make myself clear to you or anyone else. Have someone who knows the area talk to me on the phone or in person - ican show them these places on a map. I am so tired of trying to make you people understand. How do I do this? I will get my maps out much later next wk and try to walk someone thru it on the phone with a similar map so they can follow me - I don't know who this person would be but find me someone or send someone to see me and let me show them. If necessary I will pay for my plane ticket to WA - someone needs to provide me with a place to stay - I can walk you thur it. I cannot physically walk it but I can help someone else do it. The exact landing spot I do not know but i can take you from the tracks and the rest of the way. I have not been able to open the things you guys are posting (I have company and I don't feel well) - I believe Sluggo knows part of the route as he is the one who posted a map that was dead on for the area I was trying to explain. This area was the area of the tower and the tracks and it intersected with the lines I have spoke of for yrs and yrs and yrs. He had to walk East and South - he had to get out of the area they might be searching. Bully for him now because they were searching far to North of his landing point and by the time the FBI figured that out he was gone gone gone. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Interesting angle considering we are talking about a THIEF when we are talking about DB Cooper. (Possibly when we are talking about Duane as well but I don't have the details behind all those prison sentences you mentioned) If you really knew me you would know that I do not condone what Duane did - and would never have been part of his life had I known his history - one reason he never told me about his past. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

You are forcing it to work - that is not how this is done. He landed near the tracks and a tower (fire tower) above what is now 500). He was East of Vancouver at the point that the power lines and pipe lines crossed. The MONEY did not get there by way of nature or water. This I know with all of my heart and soul. Somehow when I get to WA I will find something on that creek and by the way I still have not recieve the information you promised. All the FBI wants to do is make Cooper go away and this is their way of doing it - bury him. Well, he is not buried and I hold the only clues to finding the truth. Frankly I believe this is all what is called a WHITEWASH. How come you haven't answered my email about testing that strand in the old knife? You are not doing one positive thing that is productive in find out who Cooper was other than to scramble the evidience to further confuse the public. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

FOR your INFORMATION: We do not know that all of the conversation between Tina and Cooper was made public then or now. I am simply wanting to find out what conversation transpired between the two of them. I am speculating there just LIKE EVERYONE ELSE - but EVERYONE ELSE DOESN"T GET MADE FUN OF. She did ask him if he had a Grudge, so it stands to reason that there may have been other conversation. The Grudge thing was never made public before and did TINA remember to tell the FBIi everyword that was used? I just wanted to find out from TINA if Cooper ever used this word. I have wanted to have a conversation with TINA for yrs and ask her that question - SORRY I even mentioned it - EXCUSE me for being ALIVE and ABLE to ttell what DUANE TOLD me .. I AM NOT ON TRIAL HERE. I am simply TRYING to find the truth and when I tell another detail that I have yet made public I get made fun of. I started to make another statement but I will just keep it to myself. I wish with ALL of my HEART and SOUL that DUANE had NEVER told me the things he did and THAT I had never SAW the thing that I did. Right now I am crying to hard to type - when all I was doing was trying to let people understand why I believe he was Cooper - you and CKRET take simple little things I say and make a big deal out of it. I have told others they need to talk to me - when I type it is not always what I am trying to say and gets taken in a way that was not meant...writing is not just another form of communication for me - until I got a Computer in 2000 - I seldom wrote anything that was not required for work. Anyone who knows me will tell you that when I talk to them they better understand what I am trying to say. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Duane was well spoken - ask anyone who knew him. I made more grammar mistake than he did and still do. My daughter also corrected me and still does. Well spoken does not mean that he did not make a mistake that was not detected. His biggest mistake was the word ASCARD instead of afraid - sorry that I used the word grammar, He used his verb tense better than I did. It was his substitutions of certain words. This man stood up before crowds of people when we were married and made speeches and taught sales techniques - so that sound like someone with BAD grammar. By the way Ckret you are BUSTED. The reports put Cooper out of that plane within the time range that has been stated over and and over time and time again - When the lights to Portland where seen Cooper was GONE...it was also stated that the plane was further East than they thought when all of this was going on. WHY don't you call the Co-pilot? That is the smart thing to do... That is nit - picking, Ckret. You are supposed to be objective. Are you reading all of the post or just select ones? By the way I haven't receive the information you promised me. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

FOR YOUR IJNFORMATION; When Ckret posted the item about the print being found on the glass, I did doubt it and still do as other information he has posted has been found to not be true. In the 12 yrs plus I have been trying to find more information - that print on the glass statement was a first for me. Himmelsbach NEVER mentioned it. Agent Ralph Hope never mentioned it - in fact I have him going ON RECORD that the only prints retrieved where from the stairs and they didn't know if they belonged to Cooper. I was led to believe that they found NO prints on the glasses and it was never stated that they even recovered the drink glasses. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

One Writer just go Busted: I get upset because of what I saw and held in my hands.,,and that I cannot get my hands on the things that would prove Duane was Cooper. I get upset when others use things I have said and make a book out of it and use them in different TV programs - and each time a CERTAIN writer is listed in the credits. I am thinking he had NO IDEA that I was on to him. I am not sorry that HIS book was a bust. Thieves do not deserve to win, but they do 90 per cent of the time. So you see I am not as dumb as you might think and now you know it has happened before - I just didn't say anything. This time it is direct things and used in the context of finding Cooper so that is a different thing all together. This time I have reason NOT to sit still. Stealing makes me MAD not someone doubting my story because it is not a story - it is the truth. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Mr. or Ms who-ever. If a man has been in prison in 6 states and has live in 16-20 states in a 20 yr period of time, I can assure you that he will have no specific accent . Duane was proud of his non-specific accent as it presented no barrier regarding the sales presentations for the many companies he worked for thur out the yrs. Any past employers I am sure will vouch for that and a friend I have stayed in touch with. If you haven't met individuals who have spent time in prison that speak decent language without the slang - then Ole Gal or Man you ain't been around much has you? Note - I used improper language. Duane did not use a lot of profanity nor vulgar language. He was schooled by a family proud of their heritage - Duane was always a gentleman unless provoked and he was slow to anger. /Very tolerant. He had a very good vocabulary and took every course available to him when in prison. Something else I haven't revealed - all the many certificates he recieved while in some of the prisons and the extension courses over the yrs -even when not in prison. Plus he took multi classes in presentations and sales leadership. I will state that his grammar was not the best but he strived to improve it even during our marriage and because of my daugter - (he didn't want her correcting him). He had one word he used because for some reason the correct word was lost to him. It is a word I have often thought he may have used when talking to Tina. I have mentioned this before, but rarely state the word he used. He never said "I am afraid" - it was "I am ascared". OK folks now watch Galen Cook try to incorporate that into his book - and if he does then you will know who Cooper really was. I feel in necessary to state this in the forum to protect myself - it is something also that I told the FBI many times over and over these past 13 yrs. Like I have said many times over -NOT everyone fits the typical profile that the so called experts use in today's crime profiling. If you have a criminal with a high IQ but little formal schooling - then you have to adjust that profile. If you have a man who was ODD as a child - and did somethings not normal for the times...you have to adjust the profile. When Duane was in grade 3 or 4(story told to me by his sister)he did not like his music teacher (the family felt he was gifted and even in a depression found money for music lessons). He pushed the piano down a flight of stairs all by himself. Now that is a angry young man! I do not know what he was rebelling against. Another time when he was only in the 2ed grade - he went to the school and proceeded to break all the window out with a baseball bat. The sister did not elaborate on any details and I hope I got the grades right - if not the correct information is in my notes. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

There must be a private joke going on here - puts the lotion in the basket? The referring post had been deleted. Now - for business. Snowmman you have asked for photos that show his eyebrows - but I only found 4 in the entire album..and all of them show him clowning. This photo has glasses on, but because it was made without his advanced knowledge and he was upset I took the shot - it caught him off guard. Note - I do not have any before 1978 that are of any quality and those are polaroid. Rememer that he destroyed all photos he had of himself prior to 1977. The ex-wife sent me one and his brother found a couple in Ma Weber's belongings and what we have been able to locate thru the prison files. His eyebrows are raised above the glasses frame. This was just prior to his growing the mustache and the fuller head of hair. He had this snarl on his face - which I hardly ever saw unless he was mad. This snap does not look much like him, but it shows an expression that Tina may have seen and it shows the eyebrows although in an un-natural position. This was his "mean" look. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I don't know what composite you are looking at...but Gossetts eyebrows are WAY off from the composites - EXCEPT for Galen Cooks ALTERED composite. That was one of the main things he changed - the eyebrows. This is what I mean by fiction and fact merging and fiction (the alter composite) becomes recogniized as the original because most people will not see the difference unless it is someone who was involved or very well acquainted with the original composites. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

No. I do not know that he knows what I told on that night of May 24, 1996. Otherwise he would have already have stopped some of what is going on. It is time to stop the fiction - and get FACTS. Ckret has not spoke with Himmelsbach - or he would know that the things I have said I said on that night and in a follow-up with him. Long before someone else made any claims about the money on in the Columbia and fears of prints left on the aft stairs (he did say AFT stairs in his dream in 1977). On May 24, 1996 I spent several hours trying to talk to the FBI and to tell them what I knew. No I don't think Ckret knows about that night and the circumstances. The circumstances . Reading a book out of curiousity and get 1/3 pf the way thru and the bells went off and I am trying to talk to the FBI. They diss me and I read somemore and a few pages later I am back on the phone to the FBI. They wanted to know if I was drinking, taking legal or illegal drugs - not what I was saying. No one heard me then and they don't hear me now. I am but a tree falling in a forest. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The musing of facts and fiction. Sky glow from Vancouver and Portland at the time they thought Cooper jumped - talk to the Co-pilot! A government composite is altered (modified) - in a public media. This modified version becomes accepted as the original since the case is so old. For what purpose? A man who wants to sell a book. Glad to see that Ckret is finally digging into the files for accurate information - the Co-pilot was Radaczek, the lights of Portland?

My Last reply on the forum was suddenly covered up by lots of one lline posts - I want (need) to be sure that the reader (all of you read this Post). Posted Early THis Morning: Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Ckret there you go again - you don't know that money was "Planted" . How convenient that the money is "planted" in the same time frame Duane and I were in WA. and Galens' story about the prints occurs in the same time frame as Duane's dream about his fear of leaving his prints on the Plane. This is all just too convenient in the story that Cook is telling and you are just setting yourself up. Think about some of the things that you are saying and get the details correct - you are making too many judgements and not being open minded. I was the one who told about Duane dumping a sack in the Columbia long before I had any knowledge of details regarding the money or the technical details on the money. I told the FBI this in 1996 before I ever talked to anyone ---it was much later that I talked to Himmelsbach and talked to the Agent Hope. I have the telephone bill to the FBI to prove it. May 24 1996. No one else ever mentioned any fear of leaving prints on the plane until I told about Duane's dream of 1977 and this was told to the FBI at the same time I told them everything else...May 24, 1996. Strange set of co-incidences in Cook's tale and what one little old woman with no knowledge of the hijacking for the acception of a book she only got 1/3 of the way thru before she was on the phone to the FBI. This book was based on some facts and mostly fiction. I did not see or read any other accounting or books until Himmelsbach sent me his book at a later date and what little I could find at the University and local library looking for more information...note after my phone calls to the FBI on that frantic night - a night that forever changed my life. Perhaps you and others are not aware of the sequences of my discovery and the sketchy information I had available to me. Himmelsbach can vouch for what I have just said - every word of it. I get 1/3 way thru a book of fiction and I am calling the FBI with all of the details that I just mentioned. Now someone tell me that I made one word up or that Cook is not feeding off of everything I have ever said. Ckret you owe it to the public to be accurate in what you report here or any place else....by the way I have not received the reports I requested in a lengthy email. Perhaps CKRET you do not know how I happened to call the FBI and have you reviewed or listened to the tapes I am sure they made on that night. I found Himmelsbach several wks later and he was sent some materials and my accounting of what hap[pened. He was not an FBI agent but the FBI wasn't listenting to me - I was just some crazy old lady. Now some attorney and new agent has taken the things this crazy old lady TOLD THE FBI ON MAY 24 1996 and using it to the fullest. Now that you guy have heard most of the story - do you not see why I get upset? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Galen Cook is behind the musing of facts and fiction. Sky glow from Vancouver and Portland at the time they thought Cooper jumped - you had better talk to the co-pilot and others - THAT is not true. Such doings as putting a composite in a paper that has been modified - I did not see the the disclaimer so it must have been very discreet. The untrained eye nor someone who has not been into this would not see that the composite has been modified. Then the modified composite becomes accepted as the original. Guys, you all are letting certain people manuvere you to exactly where they want you to go. Ckret has given so much information that is not correct that this is getting ridiculous - the Co-pilot was Radeczek, the lights of Portland - duh - You can be guaranteed that if the crew said Portland that the search would NEVER have been in the areas that were searched. Is anyone thinking out there or are you letting yourselves be led like sheep to the slaughter??? Theories are one thing but when therories and supposition are suddenly accepted to be truths -- the facts are so scrambled up that no one wants to try to state the truths anymore. This is becoming a farce. If you guys think I was far-out, let me tell you that some of what I am reading here that has transpired in the last few days is not just far-out, but has become fiction. Which is exactly what someone is wanting. A lot of psychology is being applied by someone who knows exactly how to turn a court case in his behalf and he is working you just like a court room. He has a Mole in this site - but that is my opinion - and that mole is doing his job. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

CKRET DON'T BE SO SMUG - IF THE FBI HAD THE ANSWERS U WOULDN'T BE POSTING IN A PUBLIC FORUM. IF THE FBI HAS ALL THE ANSWERS AND THE EXPERTISE THEY WOULD HAVE CAUGHT COOPER.... Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber