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Again Jo, nobody is asking you to reveal the source, just the supposed contents of these files you believe are so crucial. Sometimes you dont realize how empty your posts are. You want people to help you obtain some secret files from a secret person for a purpose that is also secret. If you said more, you claim that the FBI would swoop in and suppress or destroy those crucial records. Yawn.. Wake me up when you have some substantive evidence. For someone who claims they have little time left, you sure take the long road. 377 Hey, I am not putting myself out there for a lawsuit and the only way to explain what I have been working on would only cause the individual or individuals to become MORE difficult to deal with and hold out even more. Sorry I brought the subject up but was hoping for a little support on this. If you knew the nature of the material you would UNDERSTAND why it has been difficult to access - only one person has control of this info and there is NO way to get access except thru this one individual. ODD how people want a helping of whats on the table they are helpful, but when the buffet is hidden from view they just pass on by. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

How DO you expect me to do THAT? Number one the FBI or someone else - would be right on top of it and destroy the key information I need. I won't let that happen! If I revealed the source the FBI would confiscate the files and I AM the only one who KNOWS what I am looking for. Just deleted the last paragraph! I need the help of a CA. Attorney and that is ALL I can say about what I am after. I will NOT compromise the very thing that may solve this case. AT least for me if there is NOTHING there - then I have to WALK away....but, I feel the key is in those files. The prints and DNA - do any of you have an actual realistic explanation for that. WAS Cooper a NO BODY who was never fingerprinted, remember this rules out just about anyone who had actual knowledge of the BOEING aft stairs? Now for a REAL STORY! Is this one a FANTASY? Am I playing a game? Am I teasing? Perhaps Cooper had no record but had knowledge of jumping. Someone who just disappeared off the face of the earth in 1971. A man who was Nobody! Some one who served in the service, but had no criminal factors. A loner who knew Weber and thought the project was a lark. What if Cooper did have a homing device on him - so he could be found by his partner. What if what the partner found was a dead or dying man. He was a friend, but how would he dispose of the body? If anyone found his body - it would lead a trail right back to him. How would one dispose of a body if you had a vehicle and the body and the chute. Would you dispose of all the evidence in different places. Yes, of course. Can't go far with a body or the chute and he has to dispose of the vehicle. The body? Try old cemeterys. The chute? Just about anywhere that would not be in the jump zone. The nobody's ID? Cut it up and flush it. The car? Might have been stolen but maybe bought under a fradulent name. Wonder what the car disposed of on Hwy 500 that wk-end was register to? Oh, and the rental at the PDX - the FBI never divulged the person it was rented to. Wonder WHY the FBI never spoke about that car? Maybe someone removed it later and then disposed of it elsewhere - like Vegas. There is a cemetery and a grave marker - perhaps there are 2 bodies buried there. Can anyone obtain a list of all of the deceased in WA in November 1971? Freaky right - but, what if one of those name stood out...there would still be DNA in that grave.

HE WAS! Cooper had enough information to know the -plane was jumpable. It is NO secret that the plane was jumped from the belly in 1968 - you have seen the film Snowman found. If Cooper has spent sometime in a prison with a pilot or co-pilot in 1968 - he could have gleaned enough knowledge to know it was DO-able after all they spent their time sitting around talking about doing the BIG ONE! The FIRST calls out of the prison system came from Jefferson, but the local FBI lost the notes these agents made or they have been destroyed. This caller claimed he knew who COOPER was....now remember Weber was not Weber in Jefferson - but COLLINS. Perhaps a convict trying to buy himself some good time off! Carr claimed he try to find those records and for that I will give him credit. The man Duane talked about in the N.W. may have been involved with the Boeings. He could have been John's partner in an investment that went sour and failed. Duane talked about Pullyallup and a man who used to live there, but we were not going there. It was after this he mentions his brother and a partner making an investment in some commericial property they lost because it was at the wrong time. I have not been able to find out who that friend of John's was. The FBI didn't care! He also mentions a man who flew the area and about flights to Vancouver CA and he mentioned other places. Was all of the above about ONE person and not 2 different individuals? I repeatedly told Mr H about this over the yrs. I thought everything I told him went to the FBI - what a horrid mistake! But, I was working long hours and I only had so much time and little money to devote to the past. Yet, now I realize maybe this information all went to the WRONG person... The FBI did NOT call me and talk to me and ask me if I had anymore information - just what they took from my home in 1996. They never asked me about things connected to the N.W. during my marriage to Duane Weber...NOT one time. I could not afford to call them and talk to them at length - I left it up to the FBI! All Cooper needed was to find out how the door opened and when it could be opened....that information was NOT that difficult to come by if you knew someone who had knowledge of the Boeing 727 or someone who helped to develope the plane. YES, it took more than just a pilot of the 727 to obtain that infomation. Was Cooper connected to one of the actions that required jumping from a 727 or did he just know the stories told about jumping from the aft stairs? How could he obtain the details he would need? The FBI investigated many of the OPS and others who had knowledge of the aft stairs and the capability to jump from them and they did not find Cooper. They investigated many of them. They also went looking for smokejumpers with this knowledge....remember they were NOT just looking for a smokejumper, but one with knowledge of the 727's. A rare combination don't you think? Of course they found nothing. There were lots of yokels out there with enough knowledge to bail out with an old army chute, but not with the knowledge of the AFT stairs on a 727. Who was gutsy enough to do such a jump? Well, someone who didn't care if he lived or died such as Duane Weber who had been handed a horrible death sentence. Ask anyone about dialysis in the 1970's it was gruesome. Frankly if I had faced what was facing Duane at 45 plus yrs and after seeing his mother die on the machine in 1958 - I would have tried to live my life to the fullest. An ex-con did NOT have many options in 1971. He was no longer going to be able to do outside manual labor and the prognosis in 1971 - was very limited. Did Weber formulate a plan after the realization of what his future held? What kind of plan could he possible make for the situation? Well he was an unemployable thief and had spent 16 yrs + of his life behind bars - what were his OPTIONS? He wanted the GOOD life - so how would he get the money he needed. If he had to go on the machine in those days - he would have lived on the streets - and would have been allowed to die there. We did NOT have medicare that would pay for his treatments without a permanent residence and disability was almost non-existent. He had no family he could turn too. What would you have done - KILLED YOURSELF, maybe? Whether Cooper had help in formulating his plan or if it was a plan at all - was it out of desperation? I do believe the ACT was planned, but was anyone else involved? Sure you guys think Weber was just a bungling ex-con who always got caught and his family wanted nothing to do with him, but WHAT IF he got lucky. What if this man with NO future ACTUALLY made it to the ground how did he get away? Was there someone with him or did he contact someone after the fact for assistance?. If there was SOMEONE else involved why did they not come forward in all of these yrs? One they could have been prosecuted as an accessory after the fact or worse. Was this other person so fearful he did not talk about it or was Weber himself the one on the ground? I cannot image 2 men keeping this kind of secret for all of these yrs. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

MAKING A CORRECTION TO THE POST BELOW! Spinning a Story: I know an ex-wife had some really bad experiences with Duane, but I do not believe he kept a weapon because of that. As for the weapon being concealed the only one I know of was the 1990 incidents. What he was thinking or what he was up to I will never know. The shop was broke into 3 times after that - all three after Duane was put under 72 hr observation. The authorities gave him back his gun. All of this was ([RED] BEFORE AND NOT [/RED]after his trip to the mid-west and a friend of his seeing him counting a very large amount of money. Did Duane Blackmail someone or did he rob someone who had obtained the money illegally? Why was Duane very leary of Private Eye who came to the shop several times? (I would later get intouch with this person and he was just a collector of the old old albums - that is all). Why did Duane feel a need to have a gun strapped under his arm at that time in his life? Above is what I know - if you want to spin a story go ahead. I have only stated facts and the questions Duane's actions created. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

PLEASE STOP REFERRING TO DUANE WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT GEETSMAN OR SOMEONE ELSE. YOU MAKE A MOCKERY OUT OF ALL THE HARD WORK AND YRS I HAVE SPENT ON THIS. THIS IS A FORMAL COMPLAINT TO QUADE - PLEASE STOP THE RIDICULOUS POSTING SAYING DUANE DID THIS OR THAT WHEN THE ONLY PURPOSE THAT SERVES IS TO CONFUSE THE READER. DUANE DID NOT HAVE AN IMPRESSIVE SERVICE RECORD - HE HAD A BAD CONDUCT DISCHARGE AND AN UNDESIRABLE! JUST STOP THIS NOW! STOP MAKING A MOCKERY OUT OF THE 17 YRS I HAVE SPENT TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS DESTRUCTIVE AND MALICIOUS! I HAVE NOT COMPLAINED ABOUT YOUR RIDICULOUS STORIES, BUT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. YOU THINK IT IS FUNNY - WELL IT IS NOT! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Not asking for names Jo, just details about what the records you seek purport to prove. Your selective partial disclosures and teases are counterproductive. They discourage people who might otherwise be inclined to help you with your investigation. 377 I am being selective because it is confidential and if I mentioned the source - then I would NEVER have access to these vital records and ledgers. Someone on my behalf has tried to obtain the "records" but the person who is in possession of these records for some reason has not made any arrangements for our access. What the other party does NOT understand is that without my access - any information that might help is of NO Value - if one does NOT know what they are looking for. I don't need inpertintent info - but, there are targets withing these "records" that I do need access to. If you want to know more - then pick up the phone and make a phone call - I do not have CALLER ID! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jo, All those alleged 727 design documents would not have answered the basic questions about whether the plane was jumpable. The answer isn't found in system diagrams or schematics. 377 I AM not an Idiot - I know that! You forget about the yrs of Duane's life that ARE not documented - 1962 to 1966 and that he claimed to have known Richard Petersen (not they one you guys talk about) and the Operations that "Paperlegs" was involved in. I have explained before that I know Duane contacted Paperlegs in 1979 or early 1980 - I just know it was just before a great white out in the WY area. You seem to forget about Intermountain! What Duane's involvement was beside KNOWING the guy - I have not got the answers for...but the relationship was MORE than a casual one. She said she had a picture of his wife and herself and another woman made near one of the places the guys worked....she stated she hated that place because it was so far from anything. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Spinning a Story: I know an ex-wife had some really bad experiences with Duane, but I do not believe he kept a weapon because of that. As for the weapon being concealed the only one I know of was the 1990 incidents. What he was thinking or what he was up to I will never know. The shop was broke into 3 times after that - all three after Duane was put under 72 hr observation. The authorities gave him back his gun. All of this was after his trip to the mid-west and the friend of his seeing him counting a very large amount of money. Did Duane Blackmail someone or did he rob someone who had obtained the money illegally? Why was Duane very leary of Private Eye who came to the shop several times? (I would later get intouch with this person and he was just a collector of the old old albums - that is all). Why did Duane feel a need to have a gun strapped under his arm at that time in his life? Above is what I know - if you want to spin a story go ahead. I have only stated facts and the questions Duane's actions created. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Klaxon horn sounding. Loudspeaker blares: "Tease Alert Tease Alert. This is not a drill". It must be tough being 007 Jo. So many secrets to protect. Never reveal the whole story. It would be akin to treason. 377 Hey, YOU are an ATTORNEY! I am supposed to blurt out names and phone numbers of individuals and NOT expect consequences. I just do NOT do that. A few times I have slipped up and mentioned a name, but NOT in a really bad way. The individual who holds the records I am seeking lives in your area - WANT TO HELP pro gratis? I am sure my friend out there would turn over to you the individuals name and what this individual possesses that I need and the FBI may need to bring an end to this. I have been at the MERCY of this individual for several yrs. One who is in possession of certain records. Record I need to see - for myself and the fact that I may be the only living person who just might be able to see the needle in the hay stack. This is NOT a TEASE - this is VERY REAL....old old records being held hostage! Privacy issue or is it for MONEY I am unable to put on the table? Well, the only way the records have any value is IF I can find the information I need . Addresses and names and notations....they could be dead ends, but the records could hold the clues that will make the FBI look back at Weber. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

377 stated: This is NOT much diffent than what I was trying to describe. It still involved bids and you have to have a certain amount of information to make those bids. Since I have NO WAY to research John's background - and his involvement with Boeing, this is the only thing I could come up with in my "simple" mind. I invite anyone who has the expertise to investigate John and his background to do so. The FBI certainly didn't do it! I have been trying to work with what John told me and what Duane told me regarding planes. John DID not explain why he would have had the Boeing designs in his home and I did NOT ask why. He had stated he was a consultant for Boeing for 6 yrs. I thought those yrs where during the war, but maybe not. I am basing this on the letter he sent and the phone calls. John had NO reason to lie to me - he did NOT dispute that Duane could have been Cooper - but he had had NO contact with Duane since 1958. John lived in WA near Tacoma for several yrs...I do NOT know when this was. 377 Stated: Yes, I do try to work with what I have and know - to see how it could be connected. BUT, I do NOT spin it into probative evidence as you stated. I explore it just as you guys have explored the probabilities of other suspect and those of Weber. 377 stated: Certainly I sort evidence in a bias manner - you would in my place also. I invite any of you to investigate things just as I have, but I have limited means and abilities to do something you guys do with a few strokes on the key board. I have to be bias because I believe it is true. THE FBI is NOT going to investigate the important things....so far they made so too many mistakes regarding WEBER. Mistakes that border on negligence or there is something going on regarding the Cooper situation someone wants to hide. A highly public crime were the culprit had direct connections with victims and was as visible as Cooper - and the FBI makes mistakes investigating at least one suspect. How many others suspect investigations did they screw up? Something is really fishy smelling when they make serious mistakes regarding one suspect. Had it NOT have been for me pushing the envelope - no one would have known about their BOO BOOS. How many other Boo Boos did they make regarding other suspects? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I am NOT at liberty do discuss this in the thread but would be glad to do so by phone. Obtaining the records requires the permission and willingness of a survivor! Had to delete the rest of the post I made as - it is about things and circumstances I am NOT supposed to talk about in this thread or in any written format. I would give anything to see John's history - employment and locations and addresses from 1943 till 2004 when I first met him. The statement

So YOU ARE TRYING to say the supplier and developer of the paint used on planes as they developed - was JUST there. Sorry, but the chemical companies and other companies had contracts with BOEING to develope specific products. NO chemical company or manufacturer is going to spend money to develope a product if they do NOT know there is a need for the product and the specs for the product. Do YOU know who had the contract for the Boeings regarding the exterior and interior finishes? You think they ust got those contracts with MAGIC with NOT spec or experimentation on the intended use? YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY - RIGHT? Boeing developed the mechanics, aerodynamics and navigational. The design for the interior design and exterior durability was left up to private contractors. These companies would not know the mechanics of the plane - but, the specifics they needed to develope the what was needed in their area of development...such as durability of the seat covers, the interior nd exteriour finishes. Impossible to make a bid or develope the product with out that specific information. I used the covering of the seats and the exterior finish only as an example.....I am sure there are other things they "contracted" out. But, John and per what I remember of our conversation in the very beginning is correct. John was going deaf and communicating with him by phone was difficult not to mention expensive for me with my income at that time and my outrageous phone bills. John did send me pictures and letters (from his parents journal, and certain papers he thought I might need). John sent me the envelope Duane mailed his letter to his Mother in from Camp Siebert in 1943. The FBI had asked for DNA and John thought this item the most likely to have Duane's DNA. Strange he sent it to me and NOT the FBI. Do not believe the FBI actually went to see John as some have claimed. John and I did NOT discuss any actions or questions the FBI did or didn't ask him. He provided me with what he had and then met me in CA in 2004 - the only conversation we shared was minimal before the phone call came during our meal - that his sister had a heart attack. John told me he had somethings to share with me - and one things was later relayed to me after John's death. Remember that John and his wife BOTH knew Richard Tosaw and his sister. There was a NOTE (do not know what on or who composed it) that Duane had parachute training in the 40's at Fort Benning. Where he obtained this information I do NOT know. Since my own investigation did not come up with this nor did the research a woman in the FT Benning area who was an avid military history buff - could not find anything....I had NO proof of this. Where John GOT the information I will NEVER know, but due to the conversation at the Dinner Table just before the call came in - he had asked me if I knew that Tosaw was a private investigator...the impression I got was that Tosaw and John had talked. He seemed concerned I did NOT have a high opinion of Tosaw and this would be discussed after dinner in his office (he had some kind of device in his office to facilitate his ability to hear me. The sister was upset John and I were going to visit with each other - she wanted the PAST to stay in the PAST just as she begged me in a letter at a later date. There would only be ONE reason for that statement. I understand that Galen Cook had access or was given some of Tosaw's research regarding Cooper, but this would NOT have been part of those records unless Cooper was specifically mentioned. Perhaps the information John was going to share with me came from the sister and that she had second thoughts - perhaps even why she had that heart attack. I will never forget that at the hospital I asked John if she wanted to meet me. I made if very very quick and introduced myself and apologized for meeting under the circumstance. She looked at me and said "YOU are NOT Jo!" I had told her before that I had never been to CA and that she had never met me. I will always believe from her letters and the phone calls (only to see how she was - not to discuss her brother) that she was RELIEVED I was NOT the woman she thought I was. Her complete attitude toward me changed, but then perhaps that was because of her heart attack....but, I will always believe it was because I was NOT the woman Duane took to her house in xxxx. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Thank You for that information and it fits! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

These are NOT 3rd person conversations or rumors and i am not blowing smoke. NO one stole anything - there were subcontractors and you have to submit plans to get estimate or to create seating, paint and other things. Just how detailed these plans would be for such I do NOT know. BUT Boeing did NOT make it's own paint. Boeing did not weave fire deterent material for the upholstery nor did they manufacture the windows and other things. Now what NERVE did I just hit with you? It is obvious that you KNOW what I am talking about regarding subcontractors and developers. Really - you think I am smart enough to pull something like that off for 17 YRS! A little slow in seeing some things, I will admit to...but, that is ALL! AND you can do better? What have you ever come up with. If I had the intellect and knowledge and know-how of this thread - I wouldn't be here asking stupid old woman questions! IF I had NOT hit a nerve regarding the 727 development and/or some other things - I have stated - YOU would not have made the explosive remarks you just made. After ALL what can a stupid old woman know that could help solve this case. Was her husband really Cooper or did he just know who WAS. The grudge thing was only a reply to Tina's question - just an ordinary answer to a question from a 21 yr old. Cooper made the reply most people would have made under the circumstances. Perhaps my next statement could be my last statement, but your off-the-wall response to my REAL and SIMPLE questions and postings was Off the WALL.

JO STATED: Robert 99 stated: Call it what you want, but those are his words. John was an engineer - I do not know his employment record (that is for the FBI to know). From the beginning of innovation, not eveything in the past was done under controlled enviroments as it is today. An investigation of his (John's) background will be the only thing that can be used for you to make such a flagrant statement. You are attacking the credibility of a well known man who was loyal to his country - without actual knowledge of his involvement and the involvement of his associates. I have explained the family connections to the company that provided the "paint" and engineered the "paint" used on the Boeings. Before you attack - investigate. Before you slander - know who and what you are talking about. What DO YOU know about the development of Chemical Warfare for the Government during WWI. I expect U know nothing and I suggest you START there - then and only then will you find your answers. These two things are connected and I will let you figure that one out on your own. I suggest you start with the development of Chemical Warfare in WW1. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

To Call him a societal reject - is way off base if you actual talked to people who knew him - ONLY one person had BAD things to say about him. As for the brother - it may have been Army - I had no reason to dig up the old files to verify either as I know he was a Boeing consultant - regardless of what kind of Boeing it was. The brother told me about the Schematics to the 727 and other Boeings being all over the house.....because of what John did. Perhaps someone needs to look up John and find out his background - did this brother feed me lies? I seriously doubt that! I know John had a friend who worked with Boeing and they bought some property in the Tacoma Area - it was a bad time and they lost money. I never found out who this partner was. Duane had talked about a friend of his brother's who flew to Alaska and he named several other areas along the Canadian borderline. I don't know what they did. This was why I jumped yrs ago on a man known to be a pilot out of the area by the name of Burnworth with Salt Lake connections. BUT, Burnworth was not the man I was looking for. The last time John saw his brother was in 1958 or 1959. Duane was in CA a couple of times in the 60's not to exceed 3 months at a time before he was sent to Jefferson...this is when he and his wife supposedly worked for an airline (I have the name of the airline in my files but momentarily it has slipped my mind). He went back in 1977 - I put him on the plane and picked him up....so he could wash an ex wife out of his mind. Both Duane and the ex-wife told me about working for an airline service delivering meals to the planes. I think it was more like they worked for the caterer and not the airline - but she even spelled out the name and we spent quiet a bit of time chasing that down on the thread. I told Himmelsbach about the match book and I described it to him - this was way before I had a computer and in the early part of my communications with Mr. H. This is when he told me about Cooper taking a match book, but it did NO good because an old match book was one of the first thing I ditched when I cleaned things out after Duane died. I guess all I have left is the piece of airplane window - which I find extremely puzzling unless it was something John or his father had that Duane helped himself too. The individuals who looked at it said it was airplane window material....which is what I thought it was. Mickey - your guess is as good as mine. NO where in the investigation of Cooper does any witness mention a Mickey Mouse or Billy....who was one of the Mouseketters.....probably NO connections, but among the contents of his memory drawer he did not want me to touch. All of this JUST BECAUSE! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Well, at least someone has a sense of humor about this. If ever there was any one statement ever made about Weber - that one just about covered it all. We need to coin that phrase. "Duane was NOT perfect and neither were his records". YEA! It kinda FITS him! A friend of Duane's sent me an old letter recently Duane had written the Christmas before he died. This friend like many others felt Duane was a GOOD person and a GOOD friend. I have only spoke to one person who HATED his guts - that was one of his ex-wives. He was just like that - everyone trusted him and liked him, yet this man had spent 16 yrs in multiple prisons - even I find it HARD to believe......and I lived with this person for 17 yrs. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I didn't pay much attention to John's career, but we all realize there was more than met the eyes. Duane idolized his big brother, but then Duane screwed up and did not live up to expectations and ended up in prison. The Letter Duane wrote from Camp Siebert to his mother was positive and full of hope. It would only be days or wks before all of that came crashing to the ground - and finding a job picking apples did not exist for a 2 time looser with service connections. I do not remember the date, but I believe his father died in 1956 and his mother in 1958. John blamed Duane for their early demise and I never knew the details of the will, but Duane had told me his brother screwed him. Supposedly there was something going on regarding the will as late as 1966 per what I was told by Duane's lady of the times (his wife). OK 377 - here GOES! Notice of Hearing of Petition for probate of will. No 404,104 In the Superior Court of the State of CA and and for the CO. of Los Angeles. In the matter of the Estate of Lorraine B. Weber, Deceased petition of John C. Weber for the Probate of the Will of the above named deceased and for the issuance of Letters Testamentary thereon to hereby made for further particulars will be heard at 9:15 o'clock A.M., on June 18, 1958 at the court room of Dep 4, of the Superiour Court of the State of CA in and for the Coutny of Los Angeles, City of Los Angles Dated May 20, 1958 Harold J. Ostly, County Clerk and Clerk of the Surperior Court of the State of California, in and for the County of Los Angeles. By H.L. McLean, Deputy Noren Eaton Attorney-at-law Sierra Madre, Calif, EL. 5-3491 (A45451) May 21 -22-28 L.A. Daily Journal - MA 5-2141 Note Duane was still in prison per some records and by others he was released and in FL in St. Pete in 1957 and yet prison records have him in CA in 1958 - a REAL JIGSAW PUZZLE - even the FBI was unable to fix much less understand......The mother died in 1958 so that was the end of her journey and the journals. Duane had spent most of his adult time in prison in 1958 - so he was like a child with a stick of dyamite - freedom and trouble and women and alcohol are a poor combination. I do know - Duane supposedly took up with John's wife - would be interesting to know her name and when they were divorce and in what area and what happened to her. John NEVER had any children...so he claimed. So lets see what some of you SHARPIES can do with this! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Well, Weber had contacts with Boeing (more than one) and he was familiar with CHUTES. We have it from a very good source regarding an enquiry I made in the thread. Remember my asking about airshow in CA and jumping exhibits in CA in the 30's. Well, low and BEHOLD Derry did participate in such and around the time Weber was there as a 10 yr old. Duane's brother who was 22 at that time went into the service and was VERY familiar with Boeing (so familiar he was a consultant for Boeing with the Army). All I am going to say right now! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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For Heaven Sake - you all are acting alike a bunch of teenages. Read my post I made in reply to Robt's statement! Jo, Have you been appointed our Den Mother? I didn't get the memo. Robert99 Ro Robert99 - that is nit picking! You pick out a phrase in my post and try to encite others by using that phrase from my post without taking it in full context so the meaning can be made clear. THAT is NOT very nice. YOU ARE trying to encite problems and that is a problem! I have NOT made any derogatory statements. There is a lot going on regarding Cooper right now and I refuse to be dragged into a childish free for all...by someone with another agenda....namely to discredit me in any way you can or to encite others to attack me! You have done this before and I just ignored you.. I have TOO MUCH to do RIGHT now regarding other things about WEBER/Cooper and I don't need to deal with your harassing me. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

For Heaven Sake - you all are acting like a bunch of teenages. Read my post I made in reply to Robt's statement! The statement was ONLY in reference to the FINGER PRINT SYSTEM...nothing else. I worked this and so did others at a great deal of time, effort and expense....what I have regarding the fingerprint system was mostly obtained at a GREAT deal of expense and time on my part. Speaking of Safe Deposit Boxes - I have to go. We have so many irons in the fire and I am trying to stay on top of what is going on in the thread at the same time. Sorry if ANYONE thought I was referencing any part of this in a derogatory manner to anyone. I was NOT referencing anything but the Finger Print SYSTEM and Central prison records. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jo, I am shocked by your statement! If you know of a single person on this thread who does that, report them to Quade and ask thay they be permanently banned! I'm sure that any number of others on this thread will also support you on that. Robert99 YOU ARE TAKING THAT ENTIRELY OUT OF CONTEXT. I was referring to the Criminal Data Base. I have current things to do and they do NOT include going back over something I have already handled. The information they are obtaining was exactly the propaganda the authorities wanted the people to buy into in the 70's, but the program was NOT something they could just hire a few data personel and have them input the old files. IT took YRS. There are still input errors and mistakes - and they are only found if someone needs that particular piece of information. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Since it is obvious that some of you have not done your homework regarding this (the Fingerprint System) - I have more important issues to work on. I am NOT evading you - but telling you to do your OWN investigation into this. PUT your TIME and YOUR money on the line like I did...to acquire the information. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber