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Wow...10 replies and not a single answer. OK, my thoughts are it depends on where you order it. I agree that if it came out with a heavy batter my first suspicion would be that it isnt fresh and was frozen. However, if it isnt the most upscale place, then it COULD still be fresh, but was thrown in a deep fryer for simplicity and time purposes. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

It depends on the situation. I have cockblocked friends intentionally knowing they would regret it and they have done the same for me. It's all part of being a good wingman "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

8) The words "No", "stop", and "don't" depend entirely upon context: Ex1: "Stop! No Don't!" - This is bad mmmkay? Ex2: "No! Don't Stop!" - Burn it low! "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

I understand that, and I addressed that in the next paragraph of my post, which you may or may not have read, as it did not show up in your quote from me. It reads - Um dave, it's the FIRST thing in my post, get your eyes checked. Of course. Who would they be competing with to get preferential search resutls for, say, Skydive Tulsa? My guess is that the only other people interested in optimising those search results would be Skydive East Tulsa, and Skydive West Tulsa. So PROskydiving is competing with the very DZs they claim to 'serve'. They are looking to over power them in the search results, and have all Tulsa area skydivers book through them, where they will collect their fee, and then pass them on to the DZs. If PROskydiving was not in existance, Tulsa area consumers would find the actual DZ websites for their local DZs, and simply book the jumps directly. I'm not sure where your math skills are at, but there are no new customers being created with this type of 'marketing', so either it's not really marketing, or it is and PROskydiving is failing horribly, but in either case they certainly should not be collecting a cut of the profits. You are looking at it too narrowly. Do you have any idea how much skydiving and skydiving related content is on the web? Maybe someone gets a link to a video of some famous person making a skydive. These websites are built so that ads that are related pop up. Maybe someone had no intention of making a skydive, but someone sends an email to their gmail account and it contains the words sky and dive somewhere in it. If the website in question was built properly then low and behold an ad is going to appear above this persons email for the DZ. Now this person might have some interest in making a skydive. There is your sale that might not have anywise been there. That is just a tiny example too. This is a youtube generation and there are people figuring out how to link that content to ads. Look at all the skydiving content out there! Facebook, myspace, youtube, publications, websites, new stories, etc. If you know what you are doing there is potential to link ALL that to your ad. However, that being said, someone working 60 hours a week running manifest with a cell phone glued to their ear probably doesnt have the time and skills to properly do it. Thats why you hire professionals. As far as your point goes for taking business from the DZs website well thats not true either and if it is then it's the DZOs fault. When you do a search you have two different responses: organic and CPC. The listings that appear at the top are CPC, in other words paid to be there, everything else is organic, which is free. The priority and order of the listings has to do with the strength of the correlation fromt he search. So...if i do a search for skydive (insert random city) and proskydiving appears higher then the local DZ on the ORGANIC list then it means the local DZO has not properly set his metatags. If this is the case....then this is another arguement FOR proskydiving because they obviously know what they are doing. The CPC would be a different story but in all my research on this matter not once as Proskydiving popped up as a CPC or paid result when searching for "skydive (insert city)" It seems for your sake, yes. If you want to post something that makes sense, then you wouldn't mind me being around, as I would just agree with you. Wanna keep going? I understand everyone thinks they are a marketing genius just like everyone thinks they can sell, but all the confidence in the world doesn't make it true. Maybe I should start a separate thread so i can educate people in internet marking and avoid all this misinformation. Ha! What am i thinking. I could say the sky is blue and someone here would claim it wasnt true and try to give me a first hand account. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

The perhaps you should have taken your earlier advice and stayed out of this thread, because running a website is CERTAINLY marketing. Go look at the webpage again...see all the names at the bottom of the page? All the variations? Thats called metatags, and it is done for SEO purposes. I am not going to educate you though on INTERNET MARKETING since you dont even acknowledge it's existence, but trust me, they are going more than just running a website. You say the DZOs could do it on their own. You're right and some do. On the same note they could also so their own taxes, legally represent themselves, and do their own AC maintenance. Some do, many choose not to and instead hire professionals. Maybe they want better results or maybe they just want to free up more of their own time to do things they are good at. That's business. They do...I already spelled out in my previous post they handle all SALES too. Which means they do get all phone calls. And they do take a commission on these as they should...again this is in my previous post. Again...it's a trade. Without them I wouldn't DJ weddings. There is too much effort and not enough money to do it on my own. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

Right, it happens. Whether on accident or on purpose. Some people seek out these "middlemen" as you call them on purpose either for convenience, or to compare, or because they think they will save money. As you mentioned this happens in skydiving too. If it does...and PROskydiving didnt exist...then these people would turn to Skyride. No one is going to crucify you...we are just having a conversation and happen to have different opinions, nothing wrong with that, and I dont do business with SR either. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

Hey guys, Just wanted to say thanks for all the votes! Our commercial won a Bronze Telly for People's Choice Local TV Spot! This is actually a second place award as they do not have Gold. We are still up for several more awards so as soon as we find out the results I will make another update. Thanks again! -Joe "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

Dude, that is a pretty lame and entirely unrelated analogy. People use travel agents as a luxury to save time and effort. It's a one stop shop and the advantage is convenience not savings so shame on you for not doing the research you are always preaching about. Here is a better example: I have been a DJ for 9 years now. 95% of my business is weddings. I use a booking agency for many of my gigs. Why? Because it is a trade off that is very fair and promotes a great business. So what is the trade off? They get $300 of each one of my weddings that book for $895-$1200. I know what you are thinking, WOW, that is a big cut. Yes, it is, BUT, as i mentioned they send me a LOT of business. I would make far less money if i didn't use them. Not to mention, they handle ALL of the marketing, advertising, and sales. So yes, i use a middle man, but without it I would not do what i do. If i eliminated the middleman i would make FAR less money, and spend dozens of hours each week handling my own marketing and advertising and following up with leads. In other words the middleman allows me to make more money by allowing me to concentrate my time on something i am good at instead of half assing the business end of it. See any similarities? You do your own marketing, sales, and advertising. Good for you. Not everyone has the same skills, and some people would rather pay someone else to do it that is better at it than they are. This will increase sales and free up the DZOs to actually do what they are good at, run DZs. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

It's a double edge sword. If he HADN'T listed all the DZs then there would be a bunch of people here claiming that it's not fair to other DZs and that DZOs would have no choice but to join... At least this way if someone winds up on the website they can see all their local options as opposed to just the DZs that participate. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

This happens ALL too often and the sad thing is when it's all said and done there is NO winner. This has been happening with Bridge Day for a number of years now and still continues to happen. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

Hahaha, that happened to me too a few years ago. Took a real small girl to a DMB concert and she drank too much and kept passing out standing up! I had to literally carry her out over my shoulder and I missed the whole concert. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

That's an expensive nut to crack! I could spend $100,000 in a small market like Wichita on TV, Radio, billboards, whatever, and there would still be a large percentage of the population who would say "I didn't even know you could do that around here." Martin Actually, Whichita is a small market and $100k would go a long way. Your most expensive cost would be the production on the billboards but you could get that lowered if you got someone to place your media that was experienced in the industry and good...like me I understand what you are saying though even if your example doesnt work. What I was saying in my previous post was that if I was going to pay for internet marketing I would rather keep the money in the sport by paying another DZ instead of paying an outsider such as Google. I believe according to JumpDudes definitions you guys are using a "middleman" by giving money to Google for CPC campaigns. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

Someone also has to MAKE money from marketing. If I were a DZO and I was going to pay someone for marketing I would rather give it to someone who is going to keep it in the sport versus an outsider. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI&feature=player_embedded I dont get it? What does that video have to do with the HC debate or what i said? "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

I am right there with you. My employer currently pays for my health insurance. The govt considers my insurance coverage one of the "Cadillac" plans as they are calling it. Unfortunately, I have to disagree because they are not aware of my activities and my lifestyle. This is why i did not want the govt involved in my healthcare, because like many people on these forums blanket statements and policies do not apply to me. If my current insurance company raises rates by as much as they said they will have to then my employer has already made it clear i will be responsible for the increase (and it's not small) or we are going to switch to a much cheaper plan. Both options suck for me as it means I will have to either pay a lot more out of pocket or i will end up with coverage that is useless. I can't help but wonder how many more Americans are now going to be over paying for insurance that isn't a good fit for them. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

That is interesting. I have probably had the bag containing my sky rig opened 75% off the time and swabbed 50% of the time. The funny thing is they have never even OPENED the bag containing my base rig, which has skulls embroidered all over it "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

Half of the people on DZ.com.... "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

Not really a first date...but first time my current girlfriend met my mom and stepdad was interesting. My mom and stepdad spend half their time in Cali and half in boofoo KY. There is NOTHING to do there. So, when i go back for the weekends i typically take someone with me to keep me entertained. (wink wink) It's pretty much a weekend of hot tubbing, drinking, and sex and drug use. Ok, just kidding...sort of Anyway although my parents never approved but they never told me not to either. So I had been seeing my current gf for about 3 weeks at this time and I had a trip coming up so I brought her along. Everything is going normal, my family is being kind of stand offish because they figure this is just "another" girl. Well we have wine at dinner and after dinner my stepdad asked me to make some Lemoncello Martini's. Well, I guess my recipe is a bit different than what he is used to. (3 oz Vodka 1 oz Lemoncello) So he knocks back 2 and gets kinda tipsy. On top of this he is diabetic and his blood sugar drops so we proceed to have some fun at his expense as he is obviously slurring his words and not making a lot of sense. Before i even saw it coming he blindsided me. I asked my girl if she wanted to get int he hot tub. My stepdad looks right at her and basically says something along the lines of Joe does this frequently with lots of women so she might wanna get herself checked. Fortunately I was able to blame the incident on the alcohol dropping his blood sugar and we've never mentioned this incident again. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

Wait a second....i have a thought here. Maybe...just maybe you guys are using different UPS people? I mean I was thinkning about it today.,..and for UPS to do what they do must have what....at least 3 shipping centers? I also assume that each center must have their own people too! So at this point my brain started to hurt so i decided i needed a burrito. So i went to Taco Bell, and they fucked up my order! The irritating thing is that THIS Taco Bell always fucks up my order but the one by work doesn't. EUREKA! That's when it hit me! It's the employees not the company that fuck up! That's when i thought "hey! Maybe Some of these guys on the forum have a good UPS center and some have a bad!" I dont know, it's just a theory...what do you guys think? By the way this is called sarcasm. I thought I better spell it out since everyone here is so fast. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

"If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

I think it's amusing you put (scam) after middle man. It's unfortunate you see this proven business tactic as a scam. What exactly is a middle man to you? Technically...i could call you the middle man. Afterall why give your money to DZOs when you could just give it to the TI? Come on, everyone needs to get off it. SR put a bad taste in everyone's mouth but it wasn't the IDEA that was bad it was the way they ran with the idea and their business practices. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

Ahaha, you had the same idea i did, do a little detective work "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

I hated it, which sucks because i was looking forward to it and had high hopes. The character is WAY too narrow and cliche which is unfortunate because the rest of the show had potential. I dunno...its like it's a really really really really really bad Dirty Harry remake. "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

OK, so i watched it last night...was it just me or did anyone else think it was ruh-ruh-ruh-tarded? I dont even know how to say i didnt like it...it was just terrible. The main character is SOOOO cliche that it ruins the entire show. "When i pull my gun i means ta kill." Come on hop-a-long Sue it's 2010 grow up! "If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero

Good eye Lou, I didnt see that. If anyone else wants to play MW2 on Xbox live my gamertag is FreeFallFiend