mnskydiver688

Gross weight is gross weight whether you get there with jumpers or fuel. 5 jumpers X 200lbs = 1000 pounds, 2 tandems can easily weigh over 900 pounds and still be with the tandem harness weight restrictions. So number of jumpers isnt always a good indicator. My 10 cents, and I'm just a low number newbie so what do I know. Edit: What about the interior of the plane? How much extra stuff has been stripped out? How well has the plane been maintained? Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

It depends on how much fuel you normally try to keep in the tanks. Less fuel means more jumpers. Within reason. Edit: Also density altitude is another thing to consider. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

Skydive Fargo runs a widebody 182 with a fuel injected IO 550. It has wingtip extensions and a 3 blade prop. I know our new pilot took some time getting used to F.I. It works very well for us and gets us to 12k AGL in about 15 mins. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

Just use a tandem student as a shield! Come on where is the resourcefulness skydivers are known for! Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

What if your running? You could easily poke an eye out on the ground if you run fast enough. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

Very well said. I notice how the only time I "hear" the wind is as I am climbing out. Then after that everything just goes away. The days that have big puffy white clouds just adds to the overall experience. There is nothing framing your experience with the sky, like a windshield. (except if you wear a full face I guess. haha). Now a trick I learned from an instructor is if you fill your jumpsuit with helium you will have a longer freefall. So ask yours if that is a possibility. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

I believe in proliferating the myth. So I spread the word of this "fact" with religious fervor. So smite me! Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

I guess another question that came to me was the currency issue. Someone is allowed to purchase a suit without instruction if they have 500 jumps or more. What if that person has made those 500 jumps over the course of 15 years? What if the person has made 5 jumps in the season so far and wants to give WS a try? Does the manufacturer say well even though you have 500 jumps due to your currency we won't sell you one? Or what if that person with 500 jumps decided that he wanted to swoop and 300 of those are hop and pop's? How are jump numbers enough to make a policy regarding the first time use of a WS? Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

I am getting off subject, but I am wondering about gear requirements. I have read about the longer bridle and larger PC (F111 or ZP?) but, I have an older container, (Flexon) and am wondering if a container with less than stellar riser covers would be acceptable? I got new risers with hard housings for the cutaway cables and that isn't helping with keeping the risers in check. I would prefer to not have to buy a new rig, but rather spend my money on a wingsuit and jumps. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

So if you are interested in WS would you take the course or read, read, read (as I have) and just go make a first flight yourself? Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

One thing that I really found helpful was going to boogies. I am lucky at my DZ because up jumpers will make jumps with me. Since we are a 182 DZ 4 ways are the end of the line. However I have gone to a couple boogies and was able to get on some bigger ways. Traveling really ramps up your learning curve because you are forced to jump with new people and try new things. Be somewhat aggressive. Haha on the humorous side when you make those new jumps in bigger formations don't worry about being the best just worry about being the worst. As long as your better than the worst guy on the jump people will keep jumping with you. Your not that guy. Haha that might have been inappropriate but funny nonetheless. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

Did the flight attendant pass out drinks and peanuts? Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

I would say it all depends on how much the student cares about the canopy ride. There are plenty of S/L students I have seen that just wait for the guy/gal on the radio and really doesn't seem interested in learning canopy control. So I think because every skydive ends with a canopy ride as was mentioned above it just depends on how much a student wants to learn about canopy control. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

That is awesome! I would like to get into wingsuiting and hopefully I have experiences on that level. Get those pictures up! Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

I don't see this as an argument. I see this as a healthy discussion on a topic that has many different view points and many different suggestions. Also, I wasn't trying to twist your words. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

Is it ok for an instructor or a group of instructors to tell a student they should not continue skydiving or in kinder terms tell them they are not cut out for it? Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

That is the point we are arguing. When does an instructor no longer allow a student out the door? Say the instructor does more ground training and drills and then the instructor believes the student is prepared to try it again and the student does the same thing again? How many different instructors does it take? How many alternative means are to be explored? Ultimately no safe environment will truely parallel jumping out of a plane. Wind tunnel included. So how many attempts and how many lapses in crucial judgment are allowed? As long as it takes could mean until tragedy. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

How long do you let a student who completely loses altitude awareness practice pulling at the right altitude instead of 1500 ft or low enough for the cypres to fire? Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

Perhaps using less definitive language would help. Instead of no one use very few and instead of anyone use vast majority. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

I guess I could have included more information. The PD210 was at a WL of .93 and the sabre1 170 is at a WL of 1.15. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

Borrowed a rig with a PD210 for about 15 or so jumps and then got a Sabre1 170 for my own gear. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

Both of my parents were teachers and I would often hear both sides. Either the student had no desire to learn or they just didn't posses the mental capacity to wrap their heads around certain ideas. Can everyone learn Quantum Physics? Even if someone has a sincere interest in learning it sometimes a person's mind doesn't have the capacity to do so. Look at a school example. Say you have two people one person barely goes to class and is able to pull off an A. The other person is struggling and putting in hours of studying, meeting with the professor, and giving 110%. At the end of this class they fail because their work wasn't correct. Is that the fault of the professor or is that person just not cut out for learning that particular subject? Back to skydiving. What if the student poses a serious safety risk to themselves or others? At what point do you step in and tell them to reconsider things in the interest of safety? This is a very interesting thread and a great point to discuss. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

The second one you could do with less people if you want and the third one might be a bit small in the middle. They look pretty good though. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

I just recently had my steering lines lengthened. In full flight the tail was pulled down a bit and I would hit a stall during my flare. So I talked with a rigger and he added 8 inches below the catzeye and it is a lot better. Flares are very nice and front riser turns don't buffet anymore. Oh it is a 170 sabre1. I would say talk to a rigger and get his/her opinion Sky Canyon Wingsuiters

well as long as you discuss the uppers with your sabre then there shouldn't be any confusion... plan the dive, dive the plan. Sky Canyon Wingsuiters