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I love getting buzzed by any sort of AC... got buzzed by a b-1 bomber once, 1985, the first to get delivered to an operational base from Edwards AFB. It was super low, wings swept back, all four burners blazin. I thought I was going to die it was so loud. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

harrier... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpJ6QMhUmiM&mode=related&search= f-15... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqZzefshEQc&mode=related&search= jaguars... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IwplA7_4lU&mode=related&search= f-4s... http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Sir%20Franzis%20Drake/514/ puma... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=417vK55FFeM hope all the links work... enjoy. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

i love that one. it appeals to my refined sense of "catholic guilt" I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

helo... base-able or too low? remote... proof you can build an airport anywhere. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

That depends on which two chicks you are talking about. I can think of quite a few that it would take a hell of alot more than a Klondike bar to get me to do. I heard dat! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

heck you'd do that for an icecream bar filled w/ shards of glass! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

VERY cool indeed! Thanks again for the pics! You should get the cruise ship to get a helo (if they don't have one already) and you can do demos for the vacationing people... would be a huge hit! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

i love looking at your photos... but i have to ask, what in the hell do you do for a living, travelling all over the globe? i'm jealous! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

definitely!!! it's good to have friends isn't it!! they sure come in handy sometimes. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

Not me b/c I don't date, but my wife's friend does it and actually caught her sister's husband cheating on someone... she saw that he was "advertising" on an on-line dating site and somehow it all went downhill from there. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

not to me I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

I would rather drink like a viking! Chuck HERE HERE!!!!! And I'd love to join you.

Post of the Thread right there folks. I wonder what the parents let their kids watch on TV for that matter. Do the parents sue the billboard companies for selling products w/ sex? Doubtful. Maybe b/c they don't feel they can actually control that. I don't know. But your right Bill... as I said before, it's too bad that this incredible teachable moment -for the kids AND the parents- might have been lost. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

IF.. all the parents who homeschool were as you and your wife then it works out well for you. On the other hand my cousin Neal and his wife homeschooled their children.... but strictly for religious reasons.. so they would not be subjected to secular society. Those kids are about as out of place in this society as would any other human b eing transported out of the 18th century into modern America. BUT they do fit in well at church there in the stix of South Carolina I seriously doubt they will ever be able to hold anything other than a menial job in their lives.. but they do know how to read.. they do know how to write.. and they do know arithmetic.... but beyond that...they like their parents wallow in their dumb as dirt and proud of it lifestyle. If Jesus where here today, He just might smack those parents. You can't escape secular society. Now, when kids are young and impressionable, sure you can and should limit it's influence, since so much of it is harmful to kids, but I whould hope these parents are doing more to PREPARE their kids to go out one day and MEET secular society w/ strong morals and the ability to reason and not succumb to pere pressure and the like. Doesn't sound like it though. We have some friends here doing the same thing and it just pisses me off. They want their kids to go to college FROM HOME OVER THE INTERNET so they don't have to be "exposed" to the licentiousness of college life!!! I just don't get it. Part of our reason for homeschooling is certainly religiously motivated, but sheesh, we're not called to live in a f*cking cave! I want my kids to be able to stand on their own feet and live IN THE WORLD, not in MY house all their lives. Go out, travel, meet new people, new cultures. Don't be afraid of "secular society," be prepared to deal with it when the time comes. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

great post! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

um... no. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

my question is why Keith hasn't started a similar thread substituting the word "cock" for "vagina?" I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

true, though I would think that the far majority of large metropolitan art museums have some form of nudity somewhere. If the teachers are too naieve to realize that some parents won't want their kids exposed to it, why should the parents who complain be derided and ridiculed for that? Let's look at the other side of the coin. ETA: yes I know, see your previous post about parents responsibility... i acknowledge that... i just think there's enough "blame" here to go around to everyone. Although it shouldn't be an issue at all, IMO, as I've previously stated. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

That's a very good point. Goes back to personal responsibility. I am assuming they signed a consent form and as such the parents carry a huge responsibility for their children's exposure to nude art. Most things do go back to Persona Responsibility. Which is why, again, we home school. A couple more points are raised from your and lindsey's post... -did the consent SAY there would be works of nude art in the museum? if it's really a consent, it should CONSENT and not leave things to be assumed. -if it didn't say that, the parents would have to have the foresight to think "oh, my kid might be exposed to nudity. we better look to see if there is any nude work of art there before we sign this consent." for some parents lacking resources, this isn't very practical. -unfortunately, even for parents who don't want their kids exposed to nudity, I'm afraid most (IMO!!) don't possess that kind of foresight to think about WHAT they might be seeing there. They probably just thought, hey an art museum, cool my kid will get some culture besides his x-box. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

To me the diference lies exactly in what you just wrote. Many other western cultures see a distinct difference between classic art, which may contain nudity, and sexuality. They see a difference between nudity and sexuality. North America in general and the US a bit more specifically seems to have crossed that line. I couldn't agree with you more. Well said. THAT would have been a great teachable moment for the parents of this kid, but alas, it was probably lost. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

Yes, they do. Parents can do like you're doing and home school their children. Sexuality is central to biology. I think it's imperitive for children to learn biology in school. BUT, the human body is more than a sexual object. Children seeing a depiction of an unclad body in an art museum doesn't translate into being taught about sexuality in any way. Also, it'd be pretty naive of a parent to think that the Dallas Museum of Art displays no nude art. Maybe they should be more thoughtful before giving their consent for field trips. To an extent I agree with you, but where I disagree is w/ this statement... Sure it does! Or at least it CAN. Who knows what the other kids in the class already know about sexuality. By the 5th grade, I already knew tons, much more than I should based on unfortunate life experiences that I won't get into here. The point I'm trying to make is that there might NOT have been any instruction or guidance or oversight about what the kids were seeing or about where the kids were at developmentally. Those are important issues. Also, again your MO is to place blame on the parents. THEY were naive. THEY should have been more thoughtful, etc. I've been to at least one art museum in a metropolitan area that did not have nudity in it. I think you have a valid point, to an extent, but we just don't KNOW what the parents were or were not doing as far as oversight or vis. their beliefs. All it is is conjecture by you. And sure, biology is important, the human body being part of it. But I doubt that biology was being taught here, except maybe by some more "experienced" youth who did a lot of snickering. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

is it really now?? taste like a vagine-ka-bob! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

happy bday! ... and krisanne, nic glasses!

Some of you may find it interesting that I side pretty firmly with the fact that nude art likely wouldn't be dangerous to 5th graders and that that partent(s) raising hell at this need to chill and decide to BE PARENTS and use this experience/exposure to the human body as a TEACHABLE experience and an opportunity to instill whatever values they wish into their offspring. However, this raises an important issue, one that several posters here miss by their off-the-cuff dismissal of these parents as "repressed" and "from Texas" etc. etc. I'm not at all surprised that there has been overtones of the parents being uptight religious folk who have a problem w/ the pleasures of the body as stated in a post or two. A little prejudicial posting, for sure. We don't know why the parents were so upset, do we. No we don't, but as usual, some people jump to conculusions about repression and uptight-ness, and the sex is bad mentality, etc. The important issue this raises is this: Parents have the right and responsibility to raise their kids how they want and to introduce the topic of sexuality to them how they think it best appropriate. If the parents thought it inappropriate for their child to be exposed to a nude piece of art, that is their RIGHT and shame on all of you for deriding them for voicing that right. Other questions that come of this that we just don't know from the article are, did the parents know about the contents of the art museum? If they did would they have consented their child's participation? If they withdrew their child's participation, would the kid suffer from the school (i.e. some schools make such trips mandatory, I know, my wife used to be a teacher)? This is yet another reason why we homeschool our kids. No one knows what is best for our children but us as parents. That is our responsibility to raise them according to our values and morals and philosophies. The decisions that the govt., school boards, and teachers make are not always what is in the best interest of our children. My wife and I are quite well qualified to teach our kids, she being a veteran teacher and me being a psychologist. And I'm fully aware of the predjudices that some in modern society have against homeschooling, no doubt some of you may have them as well. "What about socialization" and all of that... well just ask Muenkel or Michele how well our kids are socialized. Back on target, our kids have seen quite a bit of nude art. We have numerous art books around the house, our kids have been to the Vatican museum w/ us in 2003, and in fact, my wallpaper is Bourgereau's "Admiration" which has nudity in it. As I said above, such art can and should IMO be used to teach children about the beauty and wonder of the human body. It's also a great opportunity to impart whatever values you wish to instill in your children. (the caveat of course is that we're talking about art and not something else trying to pass as art) As to the fate of the teacher, I think it is ludicrous that she is being treated this way, and it smells more like a witch hunt than anything else. As other posters have said, the school boards seems to have been looking for something to "get" her on... I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...

some of these were just too funny. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And...