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Then how do you know what the correct interpretation is? How does a therapist know which way to treat his client? Some use folk theology, others use experience coupled with advanced learning to make the best "judgment" I prefer the latter. Same with good biblical exegesis Now that really does not compare at all. Therapists have the benefit in trial and error. Theology does not. BS! My interpretations of scripture has certainly changed over the years through the advantage of experience, additional schooling, and gained insight. steveOrino

Then how do you know what the correct interpretation is? How does a therapist know which way to treat his client? Some use folk theology (pop psychology), others use experience coupled with advanced learning to make the best "judgment" I prefer the latter. Same with good biblical exegesis steveOrino

reminds me of the time back during my impoverished military days when I exchanged a sink with a hammer and hacksaw blade. steveOrino

I suppose anyone can make anything they want out of a verse. You proved just that. steveOrino

Not a very good comparison. Since the results are easily seen. Not so with god. I walk outside and I see the beauty of God. I look at my eyes in the mirror and I see the beauty of God, I listen to a kid laugh, and I see the beauty of God. Maybe you don't know what youa re looking for? If you seek God, I believe you will find Him. If you blow off his mere existence, then don't be surprised that you don't see him. BTW, back to my point that you quoted. I wouldn't know a quantum physic if it bit me on the nose, But I'm open to it. steveOrino

We all have core beliefs ... you either believe there is a possibility of a God (then you are a theists or an agnostic) or you believe there is not a possibility of God's existence (then you'd be an atheist) Either way you have your core beliefs. Try a psych class. You can take it when I take the logic class. BTW, quantum physics (or for that matter most any science) doesn't make sense to me, but I don't blow it off because I don't get it. steveOrino

And THAT is what you are "betting" on. I have no problems with that. steveOrino

You are right. I do have a core belief there is a God. It permeates my thinking. Should I apologize for my convictions and beliefs as they apply to me and my family? Apologize? I don't understand your reply. What I was trying to point out is that you think we should be open to the possibility of god, yet you are not open to the possibility that god does not exist. I submit that that makes you the close minded one in this discussion. It is apparent that religion is an emotional conclusion and not a logical conclusion. Yet you try to endow it with a certain amount of logic. You don't seem to be able to see the failure in your logic. You might consider taking a critical thinking class. Thanks for the advice. My point still stands. Everyone has core beliefs. Mine is there is a God, yours is there is not. It is hard to move anyone of us from those core beliefs. We're all "betting" on something. I'm betting JC is who he says he is. You are betting he isn't. Exactly what evidence should I expect that would change my beliefs? I'm not a fundamentalist. I'm not a creationist. I don't think the Bible was dictated word for word, I DON'T think the intent of the Bible is to either be a history book or a science book. It points us to JC. steveOrino

Poor exegesis. There is a world of difference between God's admonishment to the King Cyrus that He (God) can either bless the king or curse him, and God claiming that he (God) is responsible for all calamities. Of course, if it proves your point, I can see why you cherry pick a verse out of context, but a freshman level bible student would laugh at your assertion. steveOrino

You are right. I do have a core belief there is a God. It permeates my thinking. Should I apologize for my convictions and beliefs as they apply to me and my family? steveOrino

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Let us know how it all went. steveOrino

Where were you the last two years? steveOrino

Why is God responsible? Over 22 billion dollars is spent on makeup -- think that might feed a few people? steveOrino

eeew. Ugly wasn't it? And I thought I was messing up when I don't nail the 50 yard line and hit the 45-49 yard line instead. That video put that into perspective. BTW, I use a Sabre 190 for demos (my regular canopy is a stiletto 150) steveOrino

A cursory knowledge of scripture would let you know that is not true. God will judge manking based on the knowledge they had. God is fair and merciful in his judgment. steveOrino

When you are at the Farm, be sure and tell Lee (videographer) that the Redskins SUCK! He'll give you something extra on your video package. BTW, he is no longer "just a man with a lawn mower and truck" All kidding aside you'll like the Farm. \ http://www.dzcomic.com/roadtrip/page7.html steveOrino

Now THAT is funny! steveOrino

I suggested you study soteriology (or whoever questioned the purpose of JC's death on the cross) because it explains it better than some simple sentence or two in skydiving forum. I have no problem with you having little or no desire to pursue the possibility of God. I seldom try to convince atheists/agnostics of God, but usually try and spend my energy pointing out what I see are incomplete understandings of christianity, scripture and theism in general. I wish you well, Phil!

Then I suppose you are agnostic, not an atheist steveOrino

So are you saying you are open to the possibility of the existence of God? steveOrino

Actually, I didn't say you had to believe in God to see Him, I said you must be open to the possibility of his existence or you will dismiss any evidence he gives of his existence. steveOrino

Eh, I will not be able to sleep at night now. steveOrino

If lots of people believe then it must true? Is that what you are trying to say? No, I was debunking the statement "God's logic doesn't make sense to humans". steveOrino

I'd rather have an explanation that makes sense. Point me to a website that explains it? Honestly, my studies in theology have been more academic in nature, not internet surfing. Therefore, I don't know any websites that adequately instruct soteriology. If you'd like I can get into my attic and unbox some books from my studies and point you into that direction. steveOrino