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Has anyone else seen it and do you know what the pieces of fur are supposed to be. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Thanks Rob, I forget how much we are like fisherman, with the tall tales. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Yes it has sucked some of the fun out. I guess its more the attitude you get from alot (not all) of those freebie people. I guess that is what my big grip here is, I see too many that get it and aren't doing anything but jumping it. They are not actively going out of their way to talk to new jumpers or anyone about the rig or canopy, I don't see them giving back to the sport. Since the manufacturers are okay with all that, I guess I HAVE to be okay with it. I am now a conformist. Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

More effective marketing (at least what would attract me) would be for the manufacture to show up at a dz's around the country with demo's and I know some do that and they should do more of it. It sold me on the Odyssey. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Why would skydiving be different that any other thing in the way the world works? Because skydiving used to be alot of fun until it got so commercialized. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Well boy its obvious you didn't read the whole thread. Jealous, no. Sorry to disappoint you. I'm just tired of paying for everyone elses rig/canopy. Some people have principals and have worked harder than you could ever imagine and GIVEN back more to the sport and NEVER asked for ANYTHING in return. And as far as all these scenarios some people keep throwing about other sports, industries, etc. I'm only talking skydiving. I don't care what the car companies are doing. Since you dont' mind paying extra then you won't mind paying everyone a few hunderd dollars that objects to all the freebies. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Well, my hubby sold one to Andy a few years ago but I thought it ended up in Perris. Maybe he got it back. And yes my husband sells funeral cars for a living, hearses and limo, and on occasion he gets something he can't resell to another funeral home so it goes to however wants to by it. He sold one last year to a BBQ team. The converted it into a smoker. Team was called dead meat. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

LOL. Can I be naked? and If I can't be on all their websites, I don't want to be on any. The feelings are mutual between me and ASC, not gonna happen. I would rather be in the happy Lesbo fake criminal picture drinking tea. You can't even make out anyone in the pictures, they are too dark. I guess for now on the manufactures will have to start blacking out people in their pictures. It would certainly get my attention. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

But you are out actively selling their gear and that's different than some of these others who just jump it. I have never seen one of the big names, ever go out of their way to talk to someone about gear. In fact, most of the time you can't find them. I'm not saying all sponsorship needs to go away. Most do a good jump with staff programs if you can get a mass order together. I would rather see them give away a rig to a NEW jumper, say through a raffle or drawing then to somone who already has gear. Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

You replied to the wrong thread. Your reply goes in the ad thread. Mirage is not the only one that gives away their fair of rigs. but your reply was read and is being taken into consideration. All ya all have jumped my ass about this but, its OKAY for this guy to whine about a little picture. I guess for now on Javelin and other manufacturers who use misc pictures are going to have to black out or cross out the people in the photos that don't jump their product. Would that make everyone happy. I sure would notice the ad more if they started crossing people out of the picture. I don't ever look at an ad and decide off that add that I'm going to buy that rig, nor do I look at what the super swoopers or top teams are jumping because I know they are going jump whatever is given to them. ( this reply should go in the other thread). It just ridiculous to get that upset over that picture. as far as the lesbo thing in relation to the US team picture, 2 totally different things. The lesbo thing, to me, would be funny, cause I don't care what people think, I'm married to a man. The comparison you made between a fictious me and that picture, is it sure seems like he is not very proud of being on the US team, his concern was what rig people might think he fly. Well, guess what, I don't care what rig you jump. What you jump or he jumps or other US team members jump is not a factor to me when buying a rig. Jumping whatever airspeed jumps isn't going to make me better skydiver. Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Amy, you make perfect sense. Thank you for your reply. I just get a bug up my ass every once in a while because skydiving is getting so commercialized with all these sponored teams, and other things not related to this thread. I feel helpless about all this happening and, for me, it sucks the life out of the "fun" aspect of this sport. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Based on what? Maybe you have not, but people do...In NASCAR...What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday. Yep, but what about after they have their first rig? Why are you pissed anyway? Could not get a free rig? Here is some funny stuff for ya.... http://www.tonysuits.com/ If you look at the top left pic in the frame right above the (Company button), and the pic http://www.tonysuits.com/fabric.php4 Thats me in the Red/White/Blue MICHIGAN suit...On a Tony suit website...Man that kills me. Also look at last mths parachutist....I don't know what page, but it is a picture of Dericks 8 way team...Its labled "Bring in the Riggers" or something like that...Derick Thomas, owner of Sunpath and "his team"...notice the one guy with the Vector? Yeah, Bill and Mike are getting something out of that. I've never asked for a FREE rig and can't imagine why I would, unless I was joking. Now the rest of your reply is a perfect response, other examples of other companies (note to self; done giving Ron compliments for the year). The pictures that you stated, did anyone complain or feel belittled? Why am I so pissed off over all this, because of somone's political view, who is sponosored by Mirages, decides to pick apart another company over simple advertisement. There are website and advertisements all the time that post pictures that aren't theres, have nothing to do with them, etc. It's just funny how a mirage sponsored jumper to state his political view. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Chuck I'm not talking about the 40/50 off rigs. I'm talking about here ya go. When we say you are done, you can keep it. Most of the staff rig progams want you to order like 4 rigs and all the same or similar colors. Trying to get 4 staff members to order at the same time wanting the same colors, is pretty difficult. Financial timing is a toughy. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

It's not sad. It's the way human senses (sight) and emotions work. Quote I guess, I just have thicker skin than most. I couldn't get that upset over a nice picture of me and my teammates. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

SkymonkeyOne, Yes, but not all those people that are sponsored have "paid" their dues, or even earned their freebie, from what I've seen. I've never ever seen a "sponsored" rig and thought, I need to get one of those. Is is really more cost effective for the manufactures to give alot of stuff away and hope it is properly marketed, or for them to show up at a dropzone near you? From what I've seen, instructors have the biggest impact on what new jumpers buy. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Its opinion. I have mine, you have yours. The point is to discuss in a mature manner the points of both and either come to a conclusion on what ever the discussion is about. Or, if no conclusion can be reached, hopefully the awareness of both sides will be raised in respect to the other person's opinion. Ok, Judy, what would you have done if Mirage had used a picture with you in it in one of their ads? I seriously doubt you would have done nothing. Sidenote: If it would have been me, I would have called up the company and asked for my rig, since apparently I am now sponsered. Okay, we agree to disagree on this. I'm happy with that. I would ask for a rig, then sell it (just kidding), I would keep it. But I also get satisfaction of having my picture in the paper, so that would probably be enough. They do have some nice fleece jackets though. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

The purpose of my example was not to emulate the situation being discussed in this thread. It was to show that a picture can affect the way people feel. I agree that a false, fake picture is wrong. But the picture, to the best of my knowledge, is real. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Aggiedave, so its okay for YOU to pick and choose what you want to read, interpret, the way YOU want to. Anyone else that disagrees is wrong. Its seems really trival to get all upset over a picture. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

If someone distributed a convincing (but false) picture of you committing a crime (which was also against your beliefs) to your friends and law enforcement, you would not only have your beliefs belittled, you would be in legal trouble. This example may seem irrelevant, but it answers your question. . Bad example - this is not a false picture - or is it. Does this team not really exist, was the picture photoshopped? or is this guy embarrassed about being on the US Team, or is he just mad that Mirage didn't use his picture. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

A picture belittles someones beliefs? That's really sad. and why is it okay for him to praise the almighty mirage and I can't praise the almighty Javelin? He's polical and I'm whinning. Hummm......must by a guy thing. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

eams reply I truly believe that Mirage makes the best rig, bar none. I've never bought anything else, I've never owned anything else, and I endorse no other container manufacturer. _______________________________________________ Now what was that again Aggiedave? He doesn't sound to political. Sound like he tooting his horn to me. But I guess its just all in my head. This guy really didn't state all that. I must be f-ing out of my mind. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Because I don't want to turn this into a my rig/canopy is better than yours, because its all a matter of personal preference. Some companies have better (more fair to the average jumper) sponsorship progams than others. Judy Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Right. If you know anything about sponsership programs in Skydiving, there are different levels of sponsership. For instance, PD starts off at something like 35% off for a sponsered person. All the way up to free (but you don't get to keep the canopy, its PDs they're just letting you have it). Its the same with other manufactures as well. The market isn't big enough to have a lot of fully sponsered teams running around, the market can't afford that. [url] Sorry Dave - took this off a manufactures website - i change the name to XYZ. Yeah, alot of it is FREE, I did research it. Members receive 1-2 XYZ harness/container systems at no charge. Harness/container systems remain the property of XYZ until the completion of the sponsorship period. Upon completion of the sponsorship period, ownership will be relinquished to the team member. The team XYZ merchandise (clothing, stickers, etc.) will be provided to the member. Qualifications: The minimum requirement for application is1000 jumps and 2 years in the sport. Please remember that these are the bare minimums. XYZ is looking for individuals who will best represent XYZ Systems and it's products. All applications subject to approval. ________________________ Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

I've spent TONS of money too. How much will the company get out of that used canopy when you are done with it? I took this off one of the manufactures's websites on sponsorship. I have changed the name of of manufacturer because I'm not pointing fingers in this thread. ______________________________________ Members receive 1-2 XYZ harness/container systems at no charge. Harness/container systems remain the property of XYZ until the completion of the sponsorship period. Upon completion of the sponsorship period, ownership will be relinquished to the team member. The team member may then do as they see fit with the containers. In addition to the container(s), some XYZ merchandise (clothing, stickers, etc.) will be provided to the member. Qualifications: The minimum requirement for application is 1000 jumps and 2 years in the sport. Please remember that these are the bare minimums. XYZ is looking for individuals who will best represent XYZ and it's products. All applications subject to approval. _______________________________ Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Well, rig prices have gone up and if you look at some of the website, you will see ALL their sponsored teams. Alot of people are getting stuff for free, or at the expense of the rest of us. Now if you are ordering as many rigs a Deguello needs, they should get a discount. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.