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you remember how long it took the administration to put this "investigation" together? Wasn't it like a year or something like that? Only under heavy public pressure did they even begin it, if I recall correctly... Hmm. wouldn't be too surprising that they don't act on the recommendations of that commission. Speaking of not acting on recommendations... Has anyone heard about the missiles that China and Iran supposedly purchased from Russia that can take out our Aircraft carriers and there is nothing we can do to stop them (the missiles)? Cant remember what the name of them was, but they are bad ass and the Administration is aware of them, yet has not answered Congressional inquiries as to what the heck they are going to do about it??

Funny how the two 'Top Candidates' here are the same top two heavily supported by Israel. It also should not be surprising at all that Ron Paul is not listed as a 'Friend of Israel' nor even worth a mention. Look here Who do I believe will win? I believe Ron Paul will win. As his message reaches more and more people, they will wake and demand change by electing change, starting at the top. Truth and Justice will prevail. After all isn't that what founded this country? A bunch of pissed off settlers, too far away to keep tightly under their thumb, having 'terrorist' ideas of 'Freedom, God-Given Rights, and self-governance' they tossed millions of dollars of their beloved tea into the ocean. Well, Ron Paul supporters are tossing millions of dollars of their rapidly devaluing currency to a person that represents the change most of us bitch there needs to be. But if suppose too that if too many start supporting him, they may claim that Ron Paul was trying to 'Evoke Social Change' and arrest him as a homegrown terrorist...

So who do you support to help lead us in saving ourselves? And do you agree with this current path our country is on while our corporate government saves itself?

Well, according to legislation that passed the house a month ago, any one of us that speaks out against the government, or adopts a certain 'belief system' or tries to 'evoke social change' can get us labeled a violent radical or homegrown terrorist.. Just read the first few lines of the HR1955 bill that passed the house in Oct. (you will have to click the 4th version, then the 'SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.' link to get there) Does this not scare the hell out of you folks that live in the US? Check out the 3rd line in the findings where it states the Internet has aided violent radicalization/homegrown terrorism/ideologically based violence "by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens" WTF This must be because they cannot 'control' the Internet yet, because of the Constitution and the Freedoms granted in that document protect the Internet's Freedom of Speech and other perspectives and opinions. and that can certainly evoke social change... I believe if this passes Senate, we will have Internet2, just like China... You know chimp in chief will sign it.. Couple this with the recent raid and confiscation of most assets of the Liberty Dollar, they could easily legitimize the raid by claiming the Liberty Dollar was attempting to 'force social change' somehow, so they acted to neutralize the threat. Please look at Ron Paul for President if this upsets you at all. I cannot believe he will allow this crap to go on if he becomes President. His record speaks for itself!

'birds of a feather ...'

Well, if this activity were to possibly cause the global warming we are experiencing, would it concern you then? I mean this planet is our collective parachute in the big empty universe, and while I suppose we all could take the attitude 'fuck it, let our kids worry about it' or 'our grand protectors won't let anything bad happen to us as long as we pay our taxes, watch CNN, paste yellow magnets and wave flags at the motorcade' or 'doesn't matter anyway, Rapture is coming soon!' or whatever you choose to use to ignore. Just don't try to convince me to ignore too. FWIW, NASA already has said the chemtrails/contrails from planes do form clouds 'in the right conditions' and that they 'may' contribute to global warming. about 3 years ago. here

Can anyone offer an explanation for this page from a NASA site here While it does acknowledge the clouds I see frequently over my head about 2-3x per month, it creates numerous other questions... If this were to have been caused by normal airplane activity, why do they appear so cross-hatch like in pattern? especially in N GA and AL. Is that the normal pattern for flight paths? Also odd to me is the single lines over the ocean where there would seem not that many flights over the ocean in one day, in that one spot? It also creates a bunch of other questions in my mind. Anyone else's??

click here for a new article on hurricane modification may shed some light. To me, they have been experimenting with this for some time to present it now as a 'solution' to a problem. It would be irresponsible to think if they can weaken the hurricane, they cannot also strengthen it. Not only that, who's to say that Katrina could have been the result of an incorrectly executed attempt to actually save the city or more importantly save the refineries. Oh, but then the prices of gasoline would have stayed low and so would oil company profits. I guess there was some good to come of it after all... as long as you were the stockholder and not the homeowner... add the delays for helping the homeowners by getting them home and the temp housing and you have a situation that screams for investigation, but that is not likely.

Don't know if anyone has read this yet, but it is good- http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid:215085

Sounds a lot like the review of a book written by Madrid's Investigative Reporter Daniel Estulin, about the Bilderberg Group , Trilateral Commission, and Council on Foreign Relations. Would Bilderburg, Tri-Lateral Commission, and the Council on Foreign Relations be considered 'Secret Societies'? Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich aren't members, and are rarely covered in major media, but usually in a contrasting or negative tone when they are. I would bet they are not Bonesman or FMs either? Hmm. wonder why that would be...

a valid patent and a valid aerosol research program (to understand better how the upper atmosphere works) would be two prequisites for doing this, and they are both here and now- the patent and the program

No, his inactions as 'leader' during the crisis, coupled with the elite's desire to ultimately employ eminent domain in NO, their desire to jack up gas prices and the lack of help provided to the folks to get back into their homes ultimately caused the disaster known as 'Katrina'. But that was probably discussed elsewhere- This post is about our government trying to affect (reduce) global warming by using chemicals dispersed into the upper atmosphere or our planet. In effect, weather modification with a twist. They are changing the makeup of our planet, with the consequences ultimately a giant unknown.

I do not believe this type of modification is available nor do I think they would use weather mod as a weapon, per-se. However, with patents like this I suspect that global weather modification is a very real 'experiment', and I think they may be related to chemtrails, interested if others have considered it. edited to fix the link

with some people it is unheard of period, don't think it is possible. So this was more dedicated to the overall concept of weather mod, with the possibility to venture into some other areas. Like perhaps global weather modification as a potential/possible explanation for the 'chemtrail phenomena'.

Since this doesn't appear to have been discussed here before, interested in what you all think-

Oh sure, I find it believable, (he is a cya kinda guy), it is with him (and his supporters) to which I find my mind continually blown... Speaking of his supporters, I am curious how they spin this so they can continue to justify their support of the bastard? I mean hell, he is letting the enlisted serviceman hang for the very same thing he has just pardoned himself for, right? Has any other than enlisted soldiers been punished for Abu Garib?

Burying his own pardon in detainee legislation.. What a scumbag... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBUkxvfL_eE

or is it a continuation of an existing one... who can keep up? http://www.newstarget.com/022045.html Seems like more protection for the big pharma version of what is 'healthy'. Hell they already present their own test results to the FDA as it is, not too mention some kind of legislation has passed a few years ago that The People can't sue big pharma for side effects of their product anymore. Is this not enough? Check out the JAMA journal and you will find 1/3 of the ads for big pharma. Like back in the 50s when cigarette ads were almost as common. The fact that pharma reps engage in questionable selling tactics with the doctors and that most of the doctors receive numerous freebees and compensation should be a huge red flag to folks, but it doesn't seem to be. But then again, using and sacrificing our kids to utterly destroy the Middle East (oops I mean protect our freedom), doesn't seem to bother very many folks either so I guess it would just further indicate the level of numbness this country has ultimately achieved...

I will agree that NAFTA laid the groundwork, but the Clinton Administration isn't pushing this today. (not to say he wouldn't have if he had been able, he is no different then the rest of them) Each one of the candidates presented to us as a 'front-runners' are all shills who vote for and do whatever the money that got them into office dictates them to do. It is our job to remain vigilant and united against those who wish to exploit us.

Anyone heard about W opening the border just a bit more to allow un-inspected, non-US licensed Mexican trucks and their drivers operate in the US? Still believe he is trying to protect us, or implement the North American Union? http://www.nbcsandiego.com/politics/14003768/detail.html?rss=dgo&psp=news

thank you for teaching me the value of checking the validity of a post before posting. sheesh

Not sure how true this is as I don't have a copy of this book to verify (perhaps someone has the book and can verify?), and don't know if this has been published here in this forum yet, but thought you all would appreciate this... (or at least some of you ) **gotten from Ron Paul's Myspace website comments 8/29 201am** http://www.myspace.com/ronpaul2008

Trivial? wow, I don't consider trivial that these two worked to hijack our governement through various treasonous actions. Take a look at the article below, and see if you see a bit more clearly how relevant this is to current events. And if your not worried about the seeming coincidences, then why not? http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/2049/1/ RON PAUL in 2008 - the only choice that makes sense, unless of course your brain-dead from all the artificial colors and flavors, artificial preservatives and sweetners, flouride and chlorine laced drinking water... yeah, that will do it...

So that was what your opinion and thoughts consisted of?? Trivializing and minimizing the issue brought forth in the thread? That sort of attitude would seem to me to contribute much more to the problem rather than help with any sort of a solution.

It is only palatable due to the state of denial that most of the US population operates from. It certainly helps when you own the media and are able to 'advertise' lies and have folks 'buy' it. They just didn't own the media in 1933 like they do now.