jenfly00

http://web.archive.org/web/20040204225854/www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2003_0123.html A progressive would look at the outcome and find ways to improve.

that's a good response, but you aren't rabidly partisan. just a little rabid Just during a full moon ...usually ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

enlist Vote for a dem who will get us out of there and quit killing our heros. What will you do if a Rep or an independent runs on a "get out of Iraq" platform and is against someone like Hillary or Lieberman or Kerry who voted for the war? I mean, it's all about the party, right? Not the platform? It's all about bringing home our heroes. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

And ...??? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Believe it or not, the mods probably DON'T know all 30k+ members and what dz they're from... I guess you're right. It would probably be damn near impossible to pick him out of all the other skydivers at Skydive Utah. And... how many of the mods are from Skydive Utah? And...how many chucks could a woodchuck, chuck? Or...how many of the 85%-ers just enjoy making life more unpleasant for them dam furriners? Makes me wonder if you simply cannot see the malice ...or just don't want to. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Believe it or not, the mods probably DON'T know all 30k+ members and what dz they're from... I guess you're right. It would probably be damn near impossible to pick him out of all the other skydivers at Skydive Utah. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I think any reasonable individual (15% here?) saw it as someone signing up and using the forum for a personal grudge. Sorry you were the victim. I don't understand why the mods allowed it as the information given clearly identified you. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Would it surprise you to know that approximately one trillion dollars is spent every year for public healthcare? Or that the current cost of the war in Iraq is more like 370 billion... not the "trillions" people like to toss about? Did you know ... What am I thinking, it's NCclimber. Of course you have no idea. Rarely does one, knowing so little, post so much. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

The part about him cutting of someone's hand and beating them with it. No one said it was an American person's hand. Does everyone in the world who has committed a crime display anti-American sentiment? (Not to mention it sounds pretty far fetched!) I'm thinking the OP has some sort of personal axe to grind. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

By South Florida health care standards, 47 is pre-teen! Yes, you were lied to. Variations of your story are played out throughout the country every day. Trillions for war, and crap for health care. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

OK, then. Stick with what you know. He is young and with decent health care can live a long life potentially filled with reward and happiness. Strange you should bring him into this discussion as the views you express advocate his death. [my emphasis] My views on compassionate end of life care have nothing to do with overriding an individual's expressed desire to live. Death Race 2000?!? Oh my! Actually, if she falls into the age group you referenced, it would be mostly Medicare money. The standard legal action in these cases is to have lawyers divert (legally, of course) her personal assets to keep the hospital from touching them. Dude. You work a job that society considers honest work. You take care of yourself and your family. More power to you. Your concern for others in the society in which you live, however, seems to fall squarely into the category of 'I got mine, fuck everyone else'. It is a matter of personal choice and individual values. I got mine and you have yours. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

OK, that works fine for the people who enter the 'screw you, it's all about billable hours, I'll legally fuck anybody to get more money', legal profession. Great that they can get mega insurance policies, write them off in a variety of ways and never miss a billable hour. In essence, you're telling us that lawyers are very good at taking care of themselves and fuck everyone else...we know this. Was there anything new you wished to contribute about a lawyer's views on civilized society and human compassion? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

No way! That's pitiful. There's not a person at our dinner table, kids included, that can't answer that one. Yeah, but isn't that just because you require them to keep track of the gun laws in each state? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Doesn't particularly bother me. Criminals get beat up in prison every day. You should appraise yourself of the real facts in the case, not just the spin, and how it was prosecuted based on what evidence and from whom before you contribute your bullshit to the destruction of two lives. REAL facts?!?!? Dude, the agents (by their own testimony) had no idea the guy had committed any crime other than failure to yield. He attempted to surrender, they decided to beat up on him a bit first, he ran, they tried to murder him, then attempted to cover it up (not by attempting to justify the shooting, but to cover up the 'incident' even took place!). Just WTF more do you need to realize that prison is where they belong? Your post is highly misleading, by their admission he was a suspect. The subsequent pursuit and struggle is an escaped drug smuggler's word against theirs, those actions in and of themselves were crimes including evading and assaulting the officers (it turns out he was hauling a LOAD of drugs and managed to flee after a struggle with the officers), and the medical evidence pertaining to the wound on the suspect coroborated the offier's testimony. One of them threw a few spent shells in the canal (wrong) but they weren't supposed to file a report under their own regulation and their supervisor who arrived on the scene and was granted immunity did not file the report he was supposed to. I don't know what's worse, that these guys are in jail or that so many citizens are ready to go along with this railroading where it's their word against an escaped drug smuggler invited to be compensated. It's unbelievable, the concept of reasonable doubt has absolutely no meaning in this country any more. Reasonable doubt?!?!?! By their admission, at the time of the shooting, all they knew was that a driver had failed to yield to a police vehicle. They shot him in the back and attempted to deny the incident even took place. The supervisor tried to back the coverup and made a deal to cover his own ass. It doesn't come down to a case of their word against the victim's. Their own actions and statements justify their imprisonment. They were bad cops and they brought themselves down. Get over your denial and start going to the Neo-Con Anonymous meetings. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Doesn't particularly bother me. Criminals get beat up in prison every day. You should appraise yourself of the real facts in the case, not just the spin, and how it was prosecuted based on what evidence and from whom before you contribute your bullshit to the destruction of two lives. REAL facts?!?!? Dude, the agents (by their own testimony) had no idea the guy had committed any crime other than failure to yield. He attempted to surrender, they decided to beat up on him a bit first, he ran, they tried to murder him, then attempted to cover it up (not by attempting to justify the shooting, but to cover up the 'incident' even took place!). Just WTF more do you need to realize that prison is where they belong? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

A most excellent response! Pulling out of Iraq is gonna hurt. We can do it now and it's gonna hurt. We can stay at the cost of thousands more American lives and then pull out ...it's gonna hurt! To me it comes down to making a really bad decision now and a god awful bad decision later. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Nevermind the millions of senior Americans who can, using their own money, buy their prescription drugs cheaper in Canada than they can get through Medicare here in the states. http://seniorliving.about.com/od/manageyourmoney/a/canadavsmedicar.htm All systems have their pros and cons. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

faggots are small bundles of sticks intended for burning - I've never understood how it turned into an insulting term against hs's Drived from a character (Fagin) in Oliver Twist. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I was puzzled, actually. I'd never seen one that small. Get a magnifying mirror...that should help you out.

Well, needless to say I think the kids are fairly ignorant, but I don't subscribe to colleges monitoring off campus activity. I know some Christian colleges have a morality clause that kids sign (no drinking, no smoking, no sex, etc) but what right would Clemson have to intervene? ALL universities and colleges have a code of conduct. Students accept this when matriculating. If they don't like the code of conduct they don't have to enroll - it's not like being drafted into the Marine Corps. There are over 3,000 other college choices available to them in the USA besides Clemson. If students violate the code of conduct, they are subject to discipinary action, such as dismissal. I expect Clemson will follow its procedures to the letter. This would apply to an off campus party? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I was puzzled, actually. I'd never seen one that small. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Since you are rewriting what I wrote, go ahead and answer for me. Since you're evidently able to make the mental stretch to directly compare Capitol Police in a riot line with National Guardsmen firing at Kent State, why don't you stretch that TINY bit more and answer the questions? Dude, you had the opportunity to respond to the facts of my post ...you passed. I realize that chest pounding, erection baring and brandishing of weapons is pretty much your sole response to complex problems, but most situations require a bit more mental flexibility (a stretch, as it were ) than you have exhibited. Abhorrent as it may be to you uber types, sometimes you gotta give a little. Now, go sit in a corner and eat a cookie. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Since you are rewriting what I wrote, go ahead and answer for me. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Your definition of atheism is one most often used by theists, not atheists themselves. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2608629;search_string=atheist;#2608629 ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Lets look at a real life case. A most interesting read is James Ahern's Police in trouble; our frightening crisis in law enforcement It's been a few years since I read the book, but the gist is to deny confrontation to demonstrators until real threat to people or property exists. During the May Day Riots in New Haven, Conn in 1969, Chief Ahern received national attention and praise and his strategy credited with preventing a disaster that very well could have burned Yale to the ground with his plan of keeping police out of sight and staged in area buildings to be quickly deployed to hotspots, then quickly withdrawn. The disaster noted in other city riots of the era was averted. Ahern stood his ground against the FBI and the Nixon whitehouse to retain local control and exercise his plan. The Govenor backed him. http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/2006_07/panthers.html Just three days later, in another demonstration in Ohio, J. Edgar and President Nixon were determined to show America who was in charge. The National Guard was sent in with orders to disperse or arrest the protestors...at Kent State. It was a national disgrace right up there with Tiananmen Sqare. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#Casualties Do you think we could have spared them the melodrama, mnealtx? It was a non-violent outcome with a bit of paint on the pavement. Lighten up Francis. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".