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I don't think there is such a thing as "the perfect expert" in anything. But for now, I am willing to give Tom Kaye the benefit of the doubt. He's clearly quite serious about his investigation. The fact that it is to be submitted to a peer-reviewed journal means that he is far less likely to be able to get away with sloppy methodology, invalid conclusions etc - i.e. the work will probably be a lot more reliable than just about all the other theories that we've seen thrown up around the case. I for one am happy to sit back, and wait and see, and hope it is going to be something that moves the case forward. I know you're impatient, Snow, but my take is -- the world has waited nearly 28 years for a solution to the case, what difference is a few months more?? You spend a lot of time wondering about the science, well here is a chance at least for someone to do good science. Personally, I think it is a bonus that no "DBC peer" comes anywhere near that paper -- we've seen evidence on this forum of how preconceived ideas taint people's perceptions of the evidence. Once you see it, if you don't like it, then criticize. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

You have nailed it Snow. That was the whole point of the CIA sponsored NORJACK experiment: to see if they could create obsessive behavior in otherwise normal people. What has astounded the designers of the experiment is the duration of the "DBC effect." 377 Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

YOU do not answer questions for Ralph H. You are not Ralph H. No, of course he isn't, but there seem to be enough people backing up the fact that he knows Himmelsbach very well, and an inference that H is even reading this forum. That is why I asked the question (and thank you, Jerry, for answering). Tell me Jo, if he had said H does think Duane was Cooper, would you have had the same highly antagonistic response? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

All, I feel I should mention the post Bruce made above about the pysch disorders he first sent to me in a PM and was reluctant to post it here because it wasn't "hard evidence". I told him we had touched on a number of the issues already anyway and invited him to post it here. I myself have been wondering about narcissistic personality disorder. Believing you are innately superior to others (possibly explaining the brush-off of instructions on the rig so as not to "look dumb"), the grudge aspect, among others might describe Cooper in this context. (or they might all be explained otherwise, of course...) IIRC mayoclinic.com has descriptions of various disorders for those who are interested. Bruce, use the search function at the bottom of the page. You might get other threads in this section popping up in the search results, but i'm guessing most of the CIA and MK Ultra references will be in this thread. Edited to add: just seen 377's post above. I understand that narcissists can be very adept, polite, entertaining etc in social situations (albeit they have trouble maintaining long term relationships). Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Clay notwithstanding, with Agent H around either lurking the forum or in contact with active posters, I am reminded that there were a number of news reports that said he believed Duane was a credible suspect around the time Jo was going public with her story. I would be interested to know (assuming that the original reports were correct) if he still thinks Duane is a credible suspect. Edited to add a definition in case some of the people not used to the net think I am being disparaging In Internet culture, a lurker is a person who reads discussions on a message board, newsgroup, chatroom, file sharing or other interactive system, but rarely if ever posts or participates. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

(which may have been answered somewhere along the line) does a hijacking require an incident report to be filed with the FAA? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Hi Bruce, that is an interesting point (and I have wondered a fair while about whether Cooper might have had a personality disorder of some sort - it "feels" that way to me but I battle to put my finger on why exactly). I'm struggling though to see the logic of why no-one reporting someone missing implies a personality disorder - can you expand a bit more on your thinking here? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Snow, the bird book reference was a cryptic/obscure reference to the plot of of a fiction that is almost, bit not entirely, unrelated to DB Cooper. But it is about as plausible as anything else we have been presented with. Anyway, how common were plastic bound spiral books in 1971? Not very I'd bet. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Ooh I bet one of them is a bird book, with cryptic notes jotted down in the margin that all Mean Something. Am I the only one who thinks it is a complete leap of (il)logic to go from (apparently) 5th hand accounts of Cooper reading a magazine, to concluding that some arbitrary books in possession must have been what was read on the plane (by someone who probably wasn't even there)? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

well, i do find this interesting. There have been some of the recent-ish posts that I haven't read all of so I may have missed these bits before.. the bit about the rubber bands - at least stated as fact based on the manufacturer's info - is news to me. i know there has been a lot of hypothesis on this done on the forum tho, most by Snow if i recall correctly (please don't get angry with me if it was someone else , a simple correction will suffice) - interesting to see some of the speculation here being borne out finally! if we take them at face value, it seems the money either landed there in the first instance, or was kept protected and then put there. I see nothing that gives any indication if (or if it is even possible to find out if) the rubber bands around the money when found were the same as when it was handed to Cooper. let's hope something interesting/concrete does actually come out of this 'new' angle. (even if certain people will believe all this is another attempt at discrediting them ) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Hmm, i heard otherwise, but let's not fall into the trap of admitting hearsay as evidence. Tom, agree re Snow's comments - thanks for the update, look forward to more. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

looks like Cooper? yes/no? (georger will do best analysis no doubt, but don't spend too much effort!) probably not, but this is someone who was given an alibi for a crime he was later proved to have committed (and wemt on committing further heinous ones). (fwiw, he was lefthanded and had army service. born 1939. was a pilot. reputation as "great outdoorsman". again, i don't believe it is Cooper but just an example of how you can find suspects to fit even if you aren't really looking for them, which is how i came across this guy) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

That sounds pretty close to a personal attack to me. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Oh come on Jo, even for you that is over the top. All the FBI's resources over the past 13 years directed at trying to discredit you? Even if that is not precisely what you meant (albeit it is what you said) please give examples of how they have tried to "discredit" you. Rejecting your so-called evidence/stories is not the same as actively discrediting you. You don't have a shred of proof that "the FBI doesn't want this case solved". I'm sorry people have lied to you and used you, but you really need to be more careful about just throwing your lot in with people because they appear to believe your story. You are far too eager to embrace people who (appear to) believe you and reject out of hand those who don't. It's not the best way to judge people and their motives. (This is meant constructively.) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Prior to your McCoy book posts I thought McCoy might have been Cooper and had a well engineered fake alibi, but no more. McCoy and Cooper were two different people. What about the tie DNA? If it is a good sample and really did come from Cooper then they do know who Cooper was, genetically. They just don't have a name to match the gene sequence. I wonder what makes the FBI so sure it is Cooper's DNA? Cold cases get solved all the time through DNA. Has the tie DNA been run against all registries that the feds have access to? I know this DNA stuff may bring Jo out of the woodwork raising the issue of the lost Cooper cigarette butts. I wonder if they were examined for prints or DNA, none was found and they were discarded or whether somehow they were lost without having ever been tested. 377 I seem to recall Carr said they didn't have the manpower/money available to run through the DNA database on a case like this? If I am remembering wrong, someone please correct me. No-one would have been collecting for DNA in 1971 - the cold cases that have been solved via DNA are "lucky" in that they still have evidence they can extract DNA from. Fingerprints are a different story of course. bwt 377 I agree with you entirely - Cooper's DNA is there, just not matched. All the talk about "compromising" DNA is not valid for this discussion from what i understand - if someone's not there, they're not there. I seem to rcall Ckret said something about the possibility of a false positive using one type of DNA testing though. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

OR Cooper didn't know enough about jumping to even think about something like a tail strike? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

What a great post

If he was military good chance they were. Most likely at ridiculously low altitudes and laden down with equipment, too. give me a freefall from 10K rather than a SL at 800' any day (or night) to add to a couple more things re 377 said: - agree re blackout - and re hard pull, heck i've had one in the middle of the day and it's still pretty frightening... even knowing that you have a reserve if you need it. and to Sluggo - thanks for the agent H feedback. Weather reports interesting, it had almost become accepted in this forum i think that the weather was actually not too bad? sorry for bunching all in one post Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I have already optioned the screenplay. David Lynch wants to direct it, but I prefer the Cohn Brothers. Any suggestion for lead actor? 377 Yup. John Cusack. (I have no idea what Sluggo looks like btw. I just like John Cusack ) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Um, just to point out that those only come from Jo, and only if you don't agree that Duane was Cooper. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

377, if you go browse through other Cooper forums - there are plenty arguments for both these. We had some of these people in the first thread for a while too until...certain elements basically shouted them down. McCoy, i have posted not long ago - had some family members who claimed the tie was his. Mayfield - there is a very intriguing conspiracy theory that he had something on H and basically 'forced' him to be his alibi i.e. the mysterious phone call. I can't remember what the situation was, but Mayfield did know H from before the Cooper story. It wouldn't be the first time in history someone has had someone else lie about an alibi ... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

there has been a lot of speculation about why most of the missing money has never been found. i just saw a C&I program on a Brink's robbery in Rochester, NY in 1993 - $7.4m stolen, of which more than $5m has never been found. curiously i can't find much on the net and in fact the best summary of the case i can find is actually contained in a law website, under the section entitled "background": http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=2nd&navby=case&no=951142 no-one involved has supposedly died, and $5m is an awful lot to leave buried somewhere. it appears some but not all of the money was traceable through serial numbers (see link for details). i wonder how many robberies there have been where the money is just never traced... it has been mentioned here before that you need bank tellers etc to actually check serial numbers in order to catch the money as it goes through the system? maybe the Cooper case isn't as unusual as we think it is in terms of this angle? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Is this as promising as it sounds? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I'm in let me know when!! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

defensive about the TV but clearly no newspapers either ("if" the front page"). presumably not just around the hijacking but the years before and after. what a time to have no interest in news... vietnam war, men landing on the moon, kids being shot by the national guard on university campuses, kruschev banging his shoe in the UN, gold standards being abandoned, presidents being impeached, and so on - as well as the odd hijacking - and Jo apparently oblivious. no matter. (my mother worked a fulltime job and also kept house, laundry etc and read books...and yet still managed to read the newspaper every day. but that's an aside.) The above is a much edited version of Jo's long post (which i must admit i haven't read most of). I just have a question Jo: given the quotes above - and that despite you repeatedly telling us about your 13 years spent searching and that doesn't seem to be enough -- why are you wasting your time with this forum instead of getting all your ducks in a row for "when the time is right" which will be "not in this forum"? What are you waiting for, 2011 and the 40th anniversary? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.