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Not necessarily. That Cooper knew of or was even involved with the 727 airdrop tests is probably "good" speculation (at least by consensus of those who have commented here) and should serve to narrow rather than widen the scope. There is clearly some area however where the scope must be widened vs the original investigation...or cooper would have been found already? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

The problem with trying to find anything on that, especially linked to Vietnam, just throws page after page of conspiracy theories, most of which I find hard to take seriously. There's this, but it doesn't have an awful lot of info. http://www.wtop.com/?nid=104&sid=1566883 Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I was watching a History channel show on LSD last night, and they were talking about the CIA experiments with it (you might recall the stuff got declassified a couple of years ago). Sounds like the CIA were messing around merrily, almost guaranteeing bad trips, and some people appear to have been pushed over the edge into pyschosis. Other than the CIA link I admit it is very tenuous...but just to put it out there. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Just a reminder, from the above link, on the circumstantial evidence for Gosset: Greg Gossett said that, in 1988, when he turned 21, his dad gave him a birthday surprise. William Gossett took out the FBI sketch of Cooper from a filing cabinet and asked his son who the man in the picture resembled. Then he dropped a bombshell. " 'I just want you to know, in 1971, that I hijacked a plane,' "Greg Gossett said, recalling what his father told him. Stunned, Greg Gossett managed to ask his father what he did with the ransom money. It was then that William Gossett pulled out two keys that he said were for a safety deposit box at a bank in Vancouver, British Columbia, where the money was stored. "He said that I could never tell anybody until after he died," Greg Gossett said. Kirk Gossett, another son of William Gossett, who lives in Gilbert, Ariz., said his father also told him numerous times he was responsible for the Cooper hijacking. "He had the type of temperament to do something like this," Kirk Gossett said in a phone interview. Kirk Gossett recalled that, in 1973, his dad took him to Vancouver and left him alone in a hotel for several hours, which would have given his father ample time to deposit or withdraw ransom money from the safety deposit box. After Greg Gossett learned of his dad's secret, he scarcely thought about it. But that all changed on the night of Nov. 24, 2007, the 36th anniversary of the hijacking. Greg Gossett was listening to Coast to Coast, a late-night nationally syndicated radio talk show that typically deals with topics involving the paranormal and conspiracy theories. Cook, the show's guest, was discussing the Cooper case. It was then that Greg Gossett remembered his dad's confession and odd behavior over the years. For one thing, William Gossett was obsessed with Boeing 727s, the type of jet Cooper hijacked. Greg Gossett said that, when he was a kid, his dad frequently took him to airports, where he would point out 727s because they were the only passenger aircraft with a stairway that lowered in the back. Also, around Christmas 1971, about a month after the hijacking, William Gossett was flush with cash, which was unusual because he was nearly always broke. "He was proud as a Cheshire cat," Greg Gossett said, describing his dad's newfound wealth. A few days after the Coast to Coast broadcast, Greg Gossett contacted Cook to tell him about his father's claim of being Cooper. Cook was skeptical until Greg Gossett e-mailed him a military photo of his dad taken in 1971. "It shocked me," Cook said. "I found the resemblance (between William Gossett and Cooper) dead on." Indeed, the photo and FBI sketch are eerily similar. Both William Gossett and Cooper have the same deep-set eyes, pronounced forehead, thin lips and widow's peak. Cook has sent the photo of William Gossett to a pair of flight attendants who were aboard the hijacked jet. He hopes Tina Mucklow Larson, who reportedly lives in Pennsylvania, and Florence Schaffner Wheeler, who resides in South Carolina, can make a positive identification. Larson and Schaffner have not responded to the request, Cook said. The Standard-Examiner could not reach them for comment. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

http://www.standard.net/live/news/138977/ Any update on when Cook's book is out? Note Carr also told them "It would be difficult for the FBI's crime lab in Quantico, Va., to get around to testing the hair sample because it is occupied with numerous high-priority cases, he said." (Wide ranging conspiracy indeed that shuts out every possible suspect ). The article does mention that Carr does not believe Gossett was Cooper. On the confession: ""I thought it probably was true. I always knew him to be truthful."" (Makes a nice change from trying to analyse someone with a history of lying, cheating, stealing, aliases etc.) I'm still intrigued to see what the "evidence" that Cook offers up is, even though Carr and most/all here have already dismissed Gossett. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Actually, I got distracted quite early on in that search. Apart from the Conrad Poe story and Jo's vow (woudn't a vow made to a nun mean something?) I also came across this: Also on that other favourite subject: Source for these quotes (obviously from someone who thinks it was McCoy): http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=146269&page=8 Tina "remembering nothing" is consistent with the kind of traumatic experience that would make one blank something out. Evidently traumatic enough to send her to a convent. There is a lot more, I haven't trawled through it all. I have looked at this forum a long time ago and it may be the one where someone else suggested Mayfield was Cooper and was in cahoots with Himmelsbach (IIRC, that he had something on H that kind of forced him to provide Mayfield with an alibi). We had Brenda (what was her username??) on the old thread arguing for Mayfield, but she got pushed out eventually. In fact if I think of some of the interesting people we had there - georger is right, not nec that we should ban Jo, but that the rest of us should do our best not to let her push out people who have other suspects and are prepared to argue their cases (occasionally with potential actual evidence). Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Yes, that's the one. Via searching under Tina's name. Not sure what I was expecting to find! Heart of Darkness is the novel on which "Apocalypse Now" is based, albeit obviously set in Vietnam rather than Congo. And so we are back to 'Nam

Snow - it doesn't matter who is in the picture. The chances of having it anything to do with the hijack are close to zero. If Jo can't even have the courtesy to tell the forum who she thinks it is or how it might connect Duane to the plane, why bother? But on the subject of Tina, I really would be interested to know if Jo's VOW to keep everything secret should Tina talk to her still stand. I suspect not from what she has posted here. Now, I know people break vows all the time, but still... those who would choose to question the integrity of others should be more careful about their own. fwiw there is a spoof website out there that postulates Tina was in on the hijack (and that that wasn't her real name etc etc). If anyone is interested in wasting more time i can post the link. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

If you're really serious about leaving this forum - and like 377, I hope you don't (my reason being a need for counterbalance) - let us know via PM which one you migrate to.. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

As an aside, I chuckled at this Not sure if Americans are familiar with the expression. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=a%20big%20girls%20blouse and lol...i promise i didn't choose that dictionary because of the example they use, urbandictionary is generally the best source for slang!! Jeremy Clarkson generally uses it as least once per Top Gear episode. Do you get Top Gear in the US? (Do you "get" Jeremy Clarkson...?) ok, end of aside, unless we want to talk about the episode where they race the plane... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Well, I personally have come to a decision not to bother opening any attachments unless the poster specifies what they are and what their relevance is (without hints teases blah blah). Georger, the only thing I can think of is a password protected site but who is going to go the trouble of setting that up? I wouldn't even know where to start. Moving on, here http://www.mcchordairmuseum.org/REV%20B%20OUR%20HISTORY%20%20MAF%20BASE%201970-1990.htm is a brief history of McChord from 1970 - 1990... it includes some notes on DB Cooper and also

Indeed. Like much (most? all?) of the other stuff. I slep for a few hours and will state one last time that this is a photo of a girl (I saw it before it had deterioated) and it was in a book that had been wet. The book had the Recipe's of life in it...is a small brittle spiral gold book and appears to be of religous organization. Some of us know how to make the little things count while some of the rest of us worry and putter and push and shove hunting moehills to make mountains out of. You don't have to be listed in WHO's WHO's to know What's what. A girls blouse is a girls blouse and hair pulled back with whisk around neck is a girl. Ignore that I saw the photo before it started falling apart. I just assumed it was a photo of his daughter, but it appeared when the other articles came into being in 1990. Hence I believe they all came off that plane with him. He placed it with my books and told me to take good care of it.,,I did not see the photo until after he died a few yrs later.and I was cleaning thinging things out. Obscure, but not meaningless. Hide it in plain site..You can think what you think and I will think what I know . And this is the kind of thing you think "proves" Duane was on the plane and expect the FBI to go running around after? ....ya, whatever. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Indeed. Like much (most? all?) of the other stuff. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

377, I will try see if I can find anything new on CIA/smokejumpers etc ... I seemed to have hit the limits of Google on that one. But who knows, as the I Ching says, perseverance furthers

You don't know that. You may think you do, but you can't. Jo, reporters manage to get mugshots all the time, surely someone can get the Jefferson one.. i don't believe the FBI is "hiding" anything. I'm afraid you will need a proper photo if you are to convince anyone. Like others on this forum, I don't believe Duane was Cooper, but I am willing to keep an open mind. But you will need a more convincing image to help! We are also still waiting to hear about the photo of the child. You honestly don't expect the FBI to go to Tina and ask her...surely?? Personally I don't believe it's her - the ear is the wrong shape at the top. DID NOT say the photo was Tina. Georger was the one who said that. I did not even suggest the photo was Tina - Georger did that] Read the post properly. I never said you said the phopto was Tina. It was your quote unequivocally stating that Cooper survived that I referred to as an unfounded statement. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

saw this http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/19/jonbenet.ramsey.update/ ...which reminded me there are a number of cold cases over the years in which people were murdered. So perhaps when people slam the FBI for what they do (or don't do) on the Cooper case, they should remember that there are far more serious unsolved crimes - crimes for which the statute of limitations does not run out, crimes for which the families of the murder victims need closure, crimes which any rational person would recognize are more deserving of the authorities' attention/time/manpower than the Cooper case. (Hence the Cooper case gets left to threads like this ) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

You see Jo, this is what i mean by making unfounded statements: You don't know that. You may think you do, but you can't. Jo, reporters manage to get mugshots all the time, surely someone can get the Jefferson one.. i don't believe the FBI is "hiding" anything. I'm afraid you will need a proper photo if you are to convince anyone. Like others on this forum, I don't believe Duane was Cooper, but I am willing to keep an open mind. But you will need a more convincing image to help! We are also still waiting to hear about the photo of the child. You honestly don't expect the FBI to go to Tina and ask her...surely?? Personally I don't believe it's her - the ear is the wrong shape at the top. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Tina's ear looks more rounded at the top to me... (I presume that is Tina in the first pic?) I thought Georger's was a better match. Can anyone get hold of a proper forensic artist... this being the stuff they are trained in? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I honestly can't tell. I can't even see enough detail to see if the hair is short, or long hair tied back. The "suspenders" could also be from a skirt - i had skirts like that when I was a kid (usually plaid IIRC). Of course I was probably a kid long after Zona was a kid. Doesn't have to be Duane's kid either. Our old family photos include plenty of my cousins, family friends etc. If it was a "precious" photo, such as of a kid - why so badly looked after? Edited to add - look under the ear. Do those look like wisps of hair? Then long hair tied back rather than short hair. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

The scriptwriters are going nuts here trying to keep up, and are threatening a strike. Just to be clear: there could be a million reasons Duane wanted a photo of Chevron Man, none of them having anything to do with DB Cooper. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

That is a good point; we know (from Jo herself) that she has been desperate to talk to Tina. from http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/history_of_flight/68846 This is old, but still of interest - see what Jo says (bolded), I wonder Jo would you still keep it silent if Tina agreed to talk to you? Jo also seemed pretty sure that Duane knew how to jump but presumably has still been unsuccessful in finding anyone to corroborate this. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

377...have you looked at the photo? It can't possibly prove anything... you can't see nearly enough! (Or can you identify from an ear? Serious question) Jo, you thought Zona and her mother Edna were LDS. I know they are not confined to SLC (we even have some down here) but, well, there are a lot in SLC. Is Chevron Man maybe just Zona's stepfather...? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

"incomplete"? That's the understatement of the year! You can't see eyes, nose or upper lip. It is an intriguing (albeit extremely farfetched) hypothesis you put forward though. And would this have to assume Cooper not only knew the plane schedules but knew the staff duty roster as well? Edited to add: I forget which is which, but one of Schaffner and Mucklow ended up as a nun, and the other was reported to have nightmares about the hijack for years. These factors imply both of them were severely traumatized by the event. I think that probably undermines your hypothesis, just to put it out there... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

In the way that red herrings do, maybe. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Occam's razor. And I guarantee that if this case ever gets solved, it will be that simple too. No conspiracies, just either a man hiding or a corpse laying undiscovered (or hidden after the money was taken off it). Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.