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Jo, The reason you get ridiculed is that you do not post information. You post claims without supporting evidence. There is always some reason you cannot post the evidence. Just post it it if you have it. If you don't have it then don't make the claims. I think Jo has the situation exactly 180 degrees wrong. When logical information is put out, it tends to be followed up very seriously and thoroughly and well debated in the forum (think: flight path, hydraulics, interviews with the stewardesses, Cooper's clothing, possible angle from the 727 drops in Vietnam, etc etc). The 'garbage' normally comes, it seems, from posters who cannot quit the thread but are posting in 'slack' times! When something concrete comes along again they tend to leave the rambling off-topic posts behind and try examine the latest angle. As far as responses to Jo's posts are concerned - 377 hit the nail on the head in his response. Sluggo has tried patiently and diplomatically to explain this more than once to Jo as well. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Not sure if it quite fits the scientific definition of entropy but the concept is used in economics a fair amount. There is a branch of econometrics that uses a maximum entropy approach too. Can't say that I am expert in any of it though... to be honest I can remember more about entropy from high school science classes than anything in economics Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Tina isn't exactly an unusual name. Google search? Results 1 - 10 of about 63,800,000 for tina Happy new year, Jo. I really hope this year finally brings you peace. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Young's judgement... looks like it could have been written by one of Obama's speechwriters! (yes that's a compliment) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Would that be you, Jo? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Believe it or not we went to Croatia via Amsterdam ... ( I guess that proves the conspiracy! Once someone has figured it out, please let me know) ...btw when you said Yugoslavia I presumed you meant 'old' Yugoslavia - which along with Serbia and Montenegro included Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia and Macedonia (which at Greece's insisentence became know as the FYR of Macedonia after independence). Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

You do realise "Yugoslavia" hasn't existed for nearly 2 decades now...??? Excellent. I knew we needed review. Just keep fleshing out the details. Actually, your choice of countries is interesting. I was in Croatia (on 'holiday', I promise ) last year. And I have Lithuanian ancestry. You see how this conspiracy theory is coming together? Now we just need some nutter, I mean, sleuth to show that "District 9" is actually a documentary and not a work of fiction and ... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

We have a comedian named Dan Whitney but most people know him as “Larry the Cable Guy.” He’s a big redneck buffoon, but he looks just like all my neighbors, so I don’t understand why everybody laughs at him. You can "Git-R-Done!" here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_the_Cable_Guy Ah. i don't watch but we also know who Larry the Cable Guy is. Our sat TV subs give us access to a whole bunch of US stuff. I don't watch much TV other than VH1 and some NatGeo/Discovery stuff... wildlife, um of course Air Crash Investigation... some sport, mainly ODI cricket (the bat and ball stuff not parktown prawns) ... and I have a weakness for CSI and the BBC series Spooks. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

You do realise "Yugoslavia" hasn't existed for nearly 2 decades now...??? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Um, I don't watch Oprah but we do know who she is ... we are not completely isolated down here, you know? 377, i watched District 9 for the first time a couple of nights ago - i was expecting it to be 'okay' - i loved it. (the quirky faux-documentary style reminds me of an aussie movie i saw years ago and loved instantly too.) i wouldn't have thought it would necessarily appeal to non-south africans, but it's done very well in the US... would be v interested to see what you think of it. (probably worth watching just to see what some real south african accents sound like ... though you may or may not notice when you watch that they embrace a wide range!) ps if you do watch then you should probably know that the "prawns" reference comes from these delightful creatures, which i am happy to say have not made the migratory move to cape town that everything else from johannesburg seems to have: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parktown_prawn Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Actually, that's a very good point about the smoking: no chain smoker in a stressful situation would smoke only 8 cigs in 5 hours. I'm not sure I agree on the drinking; you would want sharp senses for a jump like this. (Well, any jump presumably but you know what I mean.) On the hair. Against my better judgement I looked at one of Jo's photos from a very recent post of Duane. He looks like he had pretty thick hair. That is not the impression of the hair I got from the ID kits. (by the way Georger, do you think Jo absorbed anything of what you were trying to explain to her about ears?) Your characterisation is interesting. The bit I left in - about why he quit - is as I understand a very typical response from a narcissist/NPD (they think they are brilliant and if no one else does it is perceived as because they do not want to see their brilliance/are jealous etc) On your "would you do the jump"... I will say what I have said before and what others have said. The type of jump you describe has been made successfully by military parachutists over and over. My personal opinion is that if Cooper had this type of experience, the jump was probably survivable (absent a water landing). Without it, the jump was very probably a death jump - whether due to the hard pull, landing impact, or getting out of ..wherever he ended up. btw for an update on CIA etc stuff as it is done these days, an interesting article on Eric Prince... http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/01/blackwater-201001 Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Animals are much more strategic than I think we often give them credit for. Have you seen footage of how lionesses hunt co-operatively? And there was one recently where - can't remember exactly now, I think it was wild dogs - organised a pincer movement to trap some buck and the only reason this was ever realised was because it was shot from the air. Off topic, sorry. But remember, don't kill polar bears. Please. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Polar bears are endangered. Humans aren't. If you run into a polar bear, it is your duty to future generations and the planet to allow the bear to eat you, rather than try trick and kill it. Thank you. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

"Might be consistent with" .... not definately are. Read my comments again. This really is the best I can do at the moment - sorry. This has been lurking - going back to when silver nitrate from finger printing was mentioned. OK... when you say "at the moment" is there more stuff going on to examine this or is this as good as it gets - i.e. is there enough to do further testing should anyone have the inclination? What if Cooper accidentally blew himself up just after exit - would certainly explain why nothing has been found! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Um... I must have missed this somewhere along the many posts. Chemicals consistent with an explosive device were found on the tie? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Anyone who has done 4-way will tell you that bad exits will cause the outside-center to get twisted around. Shoulders, elbows, and wrists get a lot of torque. A briefcase would most likely injure your wrist on exit or be extremely difficult to hold on to. I believe he was observed to be tieing the reserve bag onto his body. The money would go in it (otherwise what would be the point). Where did the briefcase go? He could not attach all the money, so he offered some to the flight attendant. She refused, so he put it in the briefcase and tossed it. It landed in/near a body of water. If it stayed nearly intact, it could be transported from dry land during a spring flood of a following year. He waited and jumped with his money sometime after that point. All sounds logical to me... and 377 also makes a good point when he says What colour was the briefcase? Brown? easy to miss during a search in that kind of terrain, especially if you are looking for a parachute or a body. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

But surely anything he would have chucked would have been from the top of the stairs too? It just seems to me there would have been a second, at least as big, pressure bump if he first threw something and then exited. Are you trying to say he knew about the pressure wave and deliberately tried to mislead the crew re the jump time? It is an intriguing theory though, because if Cooper jumped much later... he could have landed anywhere. Utah, Nevada..? A second question ... if there was a throwout first... maybe the briefcase, along with ...um... some bundles of money? Maybe the briefcase was never found because it landed in the water? Did anyone say what the briefcase was made of - in those days I am thinking, most likely leather? How long would a leather briefcase take to degrade in water? And what was in the little bag he carried on? I still like the idea it had ... goggles, alti, a torch (sorry flashlight)... oh let the speculation continue: a map of the area and a compass? ... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I’m no expert, but I’ll bet 99.9% of mercenaries get their training in some country’s military (not necessarily their own). I think that's correct. On that subject, have I recommended "The Wonga Coup" yet? - the story of the Equatorial Guinea coup. I finished it recently. A real eye-opener! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

14700-odd posts in this thread; I seem to recall the other was somewhere over 1000. In her very first post in the old thread Jo stated she was coming onto dz.com to help her prove Duane got parachute training. 16000 posts and a few years later, I'm guessing that if we haven't been shown proof, none exists. So your answer is no. (But you know that. ) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

A fact blindingly obvious to everyone here ...except one "none so blind as those who will not see" Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

...so you say.. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

...why? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

there were a few posts about macho bar talk etc while i was 'out' ... i don't think either Amazon nor I skydive to try prove we are macho Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Will you let us jump squares?? Then I'm in