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1 11 4 overriden What's your point? Which one of those do you claim stopped the congress from helping the economy? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

You're so right. Its shamefull that Obama pork bill, which hasnt been signed into law yet, hasnt produced the kick to the economy it is designed to do! What kind of stimulus package thats so long to take effect, that, a whole -2 days before it becomes official, we're still seeing job cuts. I agree with your overall point there, http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/20090127/ts_usnews/cbomuchofstimulustohiteconomyby2010]but the underlined is funny to me. Part of the argument against the package is that it's not stimulus, it's a long term spending bill being puhed as immediately necessary. ------------------------------------ If a company, or a person, has the means to do so, what's the problem with owning a jet? I still haven't heard any semblance of a reasonable response. If I had the funds, there'd be two jets and a boat out back. If the shit storm of corporate jet bashing hadn't started, there might be a few thousand people still working. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

The system had problems and needed to be fixed, but.... fuck it? Things are bad so we'll just go on record saying it's fine and hope for the best. Good defense you've got going there. Shit, you could use that for the next 4 years. The country had problems when they took over so the President and Congress shouldn't be expected to fix anything. Brilliant. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Then you belong in SC, too. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

If guns don't kill people; people do, then the hand that holds the hammer can also hold medical devices. The single hands behind government could help you on the side of the street. The government, as an entity, is like the hammer or gun. Just because it can hurt doesn't logically mean it can help. These people who think working at McDonald's is the government's problem will live a long, sad life wondering when their next stimulus check is coming. If that girl couldn't find a better job than Micky D's 4 years ago then good fuckin luck finding one now. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

If you believe a hammer has the ability to break your finger, then it logically follows that it has the power to heal you. ??? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Agreed on everything, although I think it would be impossible to fully investigate who (or what) exactly is responsible for this mess. It's policy on top of policy and over-extender on top of over-extended. I would be 100% supportive of investigations into wasted or misused TARP funds. However, I fear that would quickly digress into a witch hunt in an attempt for the government to save face. But, on the bright side, there's another $838B now available for misuse. RIP Jeremy Lusk, by the way. He died today of injuries suffered during a back flip attempt. Cheers... -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

They did flip flop on the Wachovia deal. When asked about the bailout money being used for the purchase, the CEO responded, "We completed our own capital raise to assure that we have the appropriate levels of capital to complete that transaction," said Jon Campbell, the CEO of the Minnesota region of Wells Fargo bank. I don't know the guy so whether or not that's 100% true is up for anyone to decided. As far as the UBS merger, I read UBS was shopping it's American wealth management unit around for potential buyers. Wachovia securities was approached during those rounds along with pretty much every other major bank. The Wall Street Journal reported that there were no takers. When asked about the possible sale, employess from Wells and UBS were "surprised." I think that would be a terrible decision, but I'm no CEO. I'm no Wells Fargo expert. I'm just irritated by the bad press over a bank that's doing very well relative to the other major banks. I can't defend everything they've done. I think this is the perfect example of why the government should mind their own damn business. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Aren't the fires being attributed to arson? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Makes sense. I marked yes, but I can definitely see why someone would shy away from that level of public service. The mud slinging alone might be enough to prevent me from committing. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Was it intentionally left exclusive to opposite party service? I'm sure there are people on both sides who would've (or wouldn't have) served with either President. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Sure, I can see that. In neither case does that mean someone hates their country. It means they disagree with the government. Someone who hates everything about our country does, in fact, hate the country. Disliking the government's actions doesn't equate to hating the country. I'm sure there are people who do that. I've never heard it said in any reasonable argument. (Note that most arguments on here are not reasonable.) I'm sorry to disappoint you way up there on that horse. Disliking the executive order supporting unions doesn't mean someone hates the country. That's my original statement. Hating everything the country does and has to offer pretty much defines hating the country. I said nothing about the Iraq war, the economy, left, right, Bush, Obama, likes, and dislikes... I've never said that someone from the left hates the country because they don't support the war. If you converse with people who make such claims then you should find another audience. I'm not the right wing. I don't represent anyone but myself. You, for some reason, felt the need to make a snide remark about the righties finally getting it. I've never made such claims or accusations about someone hating the country. If you want to freak out on the righties who make bullshit statements like that then go ahead. Don't pick stupid fights with me because I'm the first Republican to come walking by. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Oh for fuck's sake bill. You're just being antagonistic. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

What is it with you and the right/left tonight? I never mentioned the left at all nor have I said the left hates their country. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

I don't see how one relates to the other. I don't think their purchase of Wachovia was heroic; it was business. Waiting for a tax break on the purchase was smart business. Mehh... kinda. Their official position is that the bailout money has been used to lend to customers. All of that still ignores the fact that they didn't need it and it was forced on them. They also won't be seeking anymore help from the new stimulus. Hopefully they'll follow Goldman and just pay it back to avoid all the bullshit. I couldn't find that anywhere. I'd be interested in reading up on it. Chuck -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Hating everything the country does and blaming it for the problems of the world does equate. I didn't say anything about the left. Nor have I ever said the left hates their country. Nice attempt at a cheap shot though. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

If you hate America so much, why do you stay here? Hating unions and Presidential orders backing union contracts is just a tad different than hating America. I'll assume you were just trolling a litte bit. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

How does a tax break benefit someone who doesn't pay taxes? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

They were too busy calling everyone else stupid to understand your play on words. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

That's a very good example of why so many are against it. I can't put money in my bank account because that money is given to someone else. But I know the argument coming my way... How dare I be so insensitive to think my money should stay with me and not be handed out, right? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

If no lawyer in history had made money then telling your kid they don't make money would be a pretty good idea. New Deal-esque spending doesn't work. It didn't work then, it didn't work last year, it won't work this time. At least we can agree the bailout isn't a good plan. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Thanks. That means a lot. I'm still the lone voice of reason above the line. We need John, Aggie, and Tankbuster on there. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

I'm surprisingly close to center. By the way people talk on here, I'm just a crazy right wing religious gun toting war mongering nut job. Economic Left/Right: 2.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.41 -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

I guess if you ignore history and support the country going another trillion in debt, then yeah... it makes my position trivial. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

I care what it's called because that's not what the country was founded on. No one needs to belly up to the bar. They need to go the fuck home and quit trying to micro manage the economy with salary caps and a trillion dollars worth of pork spread out over three years. That country died in the 1930's.. the Depression caused unbridaled capitalism to be squashed because they showed all too well just how bad they could screw the country. Anti trust laws.... and Regulations resulted...... and now that the regulations were removed.... they again showed just how greedy and stupid they can be to again... screw the country. A few people have achieved fabulous wealth.. in what amounts to a giant Ponzi Scheme. You might want to check on how the bottom of the pyramids do in those schemes... if you cant figure it out... just look around at our economy. And what is your alternative to capitalism? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.