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I am not trying to be a moderator, but you questioned my objectivity. I pointed out that unfounded rhetoric is not productive. You are free to express your opinion, IMO. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I'm sorry, you must have missed my repeated invitation to bring facts to offer in debate. Yes, I think Shrub is a terrible leader. Do I really feel he is a fascist? Maybe, maybe not, but I am not about to dismiss the idea out of hand because this is America and that can't happen here. Call me open-minded. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I know enough to know what fascism is. And that we are NOT a democracy. If you have anything positive to add, feel free, but you are not being productive. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Like I said, I only follow current event a couple hours a day, regardless of when the next election is. Would you be so kind as to show me where the mainstream media has examined this isue? It is like a Socratic dialog in that it started objectively with the intent of examining an issue that I believe has not been adequately addressed. There have been many educational links within my posts, including four in the first post that should have been read before any reply was made. All the arguments Ron, Anvil and others have offered in favor of Shrub have, for the most part, already been addressed. But they are dismissed by the right, because they don't come from right wing news organizations. Still, the accusations against Shrub do not seem that far-fetched to any open minded individual who stays current with the news. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

If I have to explain why Kerry is A LOT closer to center than Shrub, then you evidently do not understand political philosophy. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Sorry, I was too busy laughing about how Kerry is simultaneously more liberal than Ted Kennedy and a war mongerer in favor of invading Iraq. Which one is it again? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

So, it is okay to pick and choose which resolutions should be enforced, and which ones should be ignored? Sorry, I don't buy that. Your accusations of an Oil for Food scandal is hilarious in light of Enron, Halliburton, Carlisle Group, etc. A bit like the pot calling the kettle black. I guess reading a lot is relative. Why is it that anything media reports that don't blindly support Shrub are from a "liberal media?" Why would I defend him? If he screwed up as badly as Shrub has, then he should be held responsible. Unlike some people, I do not blindly support one side. I am trying to understand, but so far, I have only been offered hollow arguments supporting Shrub. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

This thread was started to examine both sides of the issue. I am more than happy to examine any facts that might be presented by either side, but the same dismissive rhetoric is all I am hearing from the right. "It can't be true, because this is America. Nothing like that could happen here." If only that were true. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I cannot ignore what you don't present. Claiming supporting evidence exists does not make it so. Show me. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Our contributions are quite low, as a function of GNP, Lower than most other countries. And the idea we made the most significant human sacrifice is plain wrong. This is an arrogant, uninformed claim. We didn't enter WWII until after most of the work had been done and most of the human sacrafice had already been made. We didn't save the world during WWII. I have to admit, I do wonder what it would be like to have free elections. Or, you could ask the women in this country if they enjoy things like glass ceilings or lower salaries. As an informed citizen, I am quite embarrassed by my governments actions, and justfiably so. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

That is a very limited variety of sources. Fox is not even credible. And if you think that CNN is left-wing, that explains why you think Kerry was liberal. I bet you also believe the world is a safer place, now that Shrub has declared war on terror. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

No, but readmitting them is. To say nothing of the hypocrisy of allowing Israel to violate UN resolutions more extensively than any other country. We had no international or legal authoruty to invade Iraq., and any claims that we did are unfounded spin on the part of Shrub. Do you have any idea what kind of shape the world would be in if evry leader with an army at his/her disposal started recklessly invading countries they didn't like? ROFLMFAO You accuse me of needing to study up on things? There's no hypocrisy there *sarcasm* Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

If Shrub had had a lick of integrity and told the people that he wanted to get rid of Husseign, that would be one thing, but he didn't. Besides, there is a reason G.H.W.Buash did not remove Hussein from power during Desert Storm. We didn't have a government set up, ready to take S.H.'s place, something essential if you don't want to be an occupying force for years to come. Shrub did not heed even that advice. Let me ask you this. How many times in the passed four years have you seen GHWB give unqualified support of his son and his son's actions? Every time I see, hear or read an interview, any support is always qualified. And that's his DAD, who is a REPUBLICAN. Shrub is a disease to this country. I only hope it is not terminal. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Please take the time to be informed, especially before you vote. He was complying, albeit a little more slowly than Shrub's impatience would stand for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_1441 http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20021028&s=zunes http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1114-03.htm Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

"Ya know... war is hard (These sheep are so stupid) and America should know that it is hard (I could convince them of anything, if I lie about it often enough) and together America and our troops will bring freedom to Iraq (and money to mine and my budies' bank accounts), Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Freedom not practiced is not really freedom. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

...in a manner completely inconsistant with the first amendment. Except that all the EVIDENCE idicates that this may very well be a form a fascism. Like I said, read up on fascism before you tell us what its not. In fairness, I guess it is possible that you shot at some fascists once, so that makes you an expert. Accident by whose standards? There is no real difference. So, the Israelis keep "accidenatally " killing the Palestinians, over and over and over and over.... Have a nice day then.

Or, more likely, it has something to do with terrorism substantially increasing worldwide since Shrub decided to play arrogant cowboy. KERRY was two faced? Compared to Bush? Laughable. What "MAJOR issue" did we have that could have "ruined the US?" As tragic as 9-11 was, it doesn't even begin to have the potential of ruining the US, except possibly with respect to Bush's reactions. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

While he has done some wonderful things for voter turnout, overall, the answer would be not just No, but HELL NO. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I don't stand, and I DID serve. What my government is doing right now is disrespectful to those of us who wore a uniform in defense of freedom. Sitting through the national anthem is one way of protesting the actions of the government. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

That is TOO funny with hypocrisy. Why are our soldiers over there dying, Ron. I think it is the dissenters who are REALLY trying to save lives. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

And you don't understand why that is bad? Repressing peaceful public assembly, which is protected by from government interference by the first Amemndment, so that Shrub looks better on television is not something a leader of a free country should do. You seem to be under the impression that there is a single way for fascism to exist, and any variation changes it. to something better. This is not the case, as you have known if you had read the Counterpunch article to which I posted a link at the beginning of this thread. Try reading it before you tell me what fascism isn't, please. The other one destroys Johnny and Mommy's home. Yeah, that's much better. BTW, far more palastinian civilians die at the hands of the Israelis than vice versa, so your argument is completely in valid. But, you see, there IS a LOT of evidence of fraud, and many republican election officials are dragging their feet for the investigation. Feel free to bring some facts to the discussion, Ron. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I cannotcome close to agreeing with Shrub's political ideas, but I will debate them, because that is what responsible citizens do in a free country. That is how we overcome differences. Bring on the Socratic dialog. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

You obviously didn't read the site closely, or read the FBI memo regarding protestors. They made for poor photo opputunities for Shrub. To have peaceful protestors removed before they might possibly cause a problem is, well, certainly in keeping with fascism, so you made my point. Thanks. Is there really a difference between carying a bomb into a building and dropping it from a plane, except one takes a helluva lot more soldier courage. I will not hold against them the lack of funds for uniforms. They can't afford fancy warplanes, either. Tungsten is more dense than uranium. Yeah, I'm pissed. I'm not ready to dismiss free elections as useless, just yet. You are? I don't remember defending CBS. In fact, I believe their were some not so nice things said about them in one of my links, which you evidently did not take time to read, beacause if you had, you would have read the case that Fox News won, legally allowing them to distort the truth to the point of mistruth. So, he didn't have them. Why did we change the mission when we found that out? Why wasn't Shrub honest with Americans and say "I screwed up?" Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Check out http://ifamericansknew.org We also installed the Baath Party. Two (or more) wrongs do not make a right. You can't seriously believe that Muslims are allowed to practice their faith without living in fear to some degree? While it may not be unversal, there is widespread predjudices against Muslims in this country. Tha fallicy of a liberal media is such a joke, one almost as funny as calling Kerry a liberal, which he was only when compared to extreme right winger Shrub. You did follow the primaries, right? I have a problem with jailing people for victimless crimes. That is not something that happens in free countries. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!